Monarchism Thread

[Sovaal]

I am a Monarchist simply due to the history, as we have seen humanity has seated kings only to dethrone and replace them with an heir. While every culture has done this, it only in a degree shows that Monarchy is the base human Government form.

Before their where kings it was all tribes, so obviously that's the base human government. Societal collapse now!!1!

[Principality of the Raix]

I am a Monarchist simply due to the history, as we have seen humanity has seated kings only to dethrone and replace them with an heir. While every culture has done this, it only in a degree shows that Monarchy is the base human Government form.

Before their where kings it was all tribes, so obviously that's the base human government. Societal collapse now!!1!

Tribes have chief's which where basically kings, with exception you got a wise women or wise man as council.

Edited in: Also tribes chose leaders normally based on the bloodline of the previous chief. Not a new one.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I am a Monarchist simply due to the history, as we have seen humanity has seated kings only to dethrone and replace them with an heir. While every culture has done this, it only in a degree shows that Monarchy is the base human Government form.

Isn't a tribal system or theocracy closer to the base human government?

[Fascist Republic of Uzumakistan]

I am a Monarchist simply due to the history, as we have seen humanity has seated kings only to dethrone and replace them with an heir. While every culture has done this, it only in a degree shows that Monarchy is the base human Government form.

Before their where kings it was all tribes, so obviously that's the base human government. Societal collapse now!!1!

I wonder why the Kingdom of Italy has been under the rule of Benito Mussolini all this time?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Before their where kings it was all tribes, so obviously that's the base human government. Societal collapse now!!1!

I wonder why the Kingdom of Italy has been under the rule of Benito Mussolini all this time?

Because Benito used his control of the king as a way to legitimise his power.

[Sovaal]

Before their where kings it was all tribes, so obviously that's the base human government. Societal collapse now!!1!

Tribes have chief's which where basically kings, with exception you got a wise women or wise man as council.

Edited in: Also tribes chose leaders normally based on the bloodline of the previous chief. Not a new one.

Depends. Chief is a catch all term for tribal leader.

And not always was the position hereditary.

[Engleberg]

One concept that has always been odd to me is elective monarchy. What makes an elective monarchy different from any other elected dictatorship? Most traditional definitions that we are taught in schools hold monarchy as being hereditary.

Well,

1. Monarchies are not dictatorships

2. Elective monarchies are not real monarchies.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

One concept that has always been odd to me is elective monarchy. What makes an elective monarchy different from any other elected dictatorship? Most traditional definitions that we are taught in schools hold monarchy as being hereditary.

Well,

1. Monarchies are not dictatorships

2. Elective monarchies are not real monarchies.

How are they not? Encyclopædia Britannica defines dictatorship as "a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong." Sounds like a monarchy to me.

[Engleberg]

Well,

1. Monarchies are not dictatorships

2. Elective monarchies are not real monarchies.

How are they not? Encyclopædia Britannica defines dictatorship as "a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong." Sounds like a monarchy to me.

Monarchies are not dictatorships because they are historically and culturally part of a nation. In a monarchy, example the German Empire, the Kaiser was supported in legislation by the Bundesrat and the Reichstag. Generally in a dictatorship, these bodies are often ignored. To respond to the latter part of that quote: "...various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong...," one could say democracies are dictatorships as well through their usage of keeping the democratic government's power strong against attempts to remove it.

[Principality of the Raix]

One concept that has always been odd to me is elective monarchy. What makes an elective monarchy different from any other elected dictatorship? Most traditional definitions that we are taught in schools hold monarchy as being hereditary.

Well,

1. Monarchies are not dictatorships

2. Elective monarchies are not real monarchies.

Well Monarchies can turn into Dictatorships, however by that thought so can any other form of Government. However, I completely agree in this matter seeing as Monarchy is about Blood, not election. Unless you are choosing between heir's, which normally is civil war as far as the election process.

[Kanadorika]

A large benefit of hereditary Monarchies is that special interests cannot buy the top position in the country. The corporate elite and aristocracy are under the total control of the monarch, who can protect the people from finnancial domination.

Also, the heir to the trone is born and raised to rule, surrounded by some of the best thinkers, artists, and leaders in the world. The heir not only inherits the crown, but the traditions, customs, and values held by the previous monarch as they are family traditions.

[Fascist Republic of Uzumakistan]

Well,

1. Monarchies are not dictatorships

2. Elective monarchies are not real monarchies.

Well Monarchies can turn into Dictatorships, however by that thought so can any other form of Government. However, I completely agree in this matter seeing as Monarchy is about Blood, not election. Unless you are choosing between heir's, which normally is civil war as far as the election process.

For example, the Republic of Venice?

[New Greater Netherlands]

Well,

1. Monarchies are not dictatorships

2. Elective monarchies are not real monarchies.

How are they not? Encyclopædia Britannica defines dictatorship as "a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong." Sounds like a monarchy to me.

You are sooo wrong: A monarchy is a form of government in which a group, generally a family representing a dynasty, embodies the country's national identity and its head, the monarch, exercises the role of sovereignty. The actual power of the monarch may vary from purely symbolic (crowned republic), to partial and restricted (constitutional monarchy), to completely autocratic (absolute monarchy). Traditionally the monarch's post is inherited and lasts until death or abdication. In contrast, elective monarchies require the monarch to be elected. Both types have further variations as there are widely divergent structures and traditions defining monarchy. For example, in some elected monarchies only pedigrees are taken into account for eligibility of the next ruler, whereas many hereditary monarchies impose requirements regarding the religion, age, gender, mental capacity, etc. Occasionally this might create a situation of rival claimants whose legitimacy is subject to effective election. There have been cases where the term of a monarch's reign is either fixed in years or continues until certain goals are achieved: an invasion being repulsed, for instance.

Monarchic rule was the most common form of government until the 19th century. It is now usually a constitutional monarchy, in which the monarch retains a unique legal and ceremonial role, but exercises limited or no official political power: under the written or unwritten constitution, others have governing authority. Currently, 45 sovereign nations in the world have monarchs acting as heads of state, 16 of which are Commonwealth realms that recognise Queen Elizabeth II as their head of state. Most modern European monarchies are constitutional and hereditary with a largely ceremonial role, with the exception of the Vatican which is an elective theocracy and the Principalities of Liechtenstein and Monaco where the monarchs exercise unrestricted authority. The monarchies of Cambodia and Malaysia are constitutional with a largely ceremonial role, despite possessing significantly more social and legal clout than their European counterparts. The monarchs of Brunei, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Swaziland have more political influence than any other single source of authority in their nations, either by tradition or a constitutional mandate.

And:

Dictatorship is a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong.

A dictatorship is a type of authoritarianism, in which politicians regulate nearly every aspect of the public and private behavior of citizens. Dictatorship and totalitarian societies generally employ political propaganda to decrease the influence of proponents of alternative governing systems. In the past, different religious tactics were used by dictators to maintain their rule, such as the monarchical system in the west.

In the 19th and 20th centuries, traditional monarchies gradually declined and disappeared. Dictatorship and constitutional democracy emerged as the world's two major forms of government. And a Dictatorship is from a Republican origin, like most dictators hated the monarchy and anyone who was against the government

[Engleberg]

A large benefit of hereditary Monarchies is that special interests cannot buy the top position in the country. The corporate elite and aristocracy are under the total control of the monarch, who can protect the people from finnancial domination.

Also, the heir to the trone is born and raised to rule, surrounded by some of the best thinkers, artists, and leaders in the world. The heir not only inherits the crown, but the traditions, customs, and values held by the previous monarch as they are family traditions.

Your latter statement is exactly what I use against those who state that a monarch "simply inherits the position without any knowledge of leading."

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

How are they not? Encyclopædia Britannica defines dictatorship as "a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong." Sounds like a monarchy to me.

Monarchies are not dictatorships because they are historically and culturally part of a nation. In a monarchy, example the German Empire, the Kaiser was supported in legislation by the Bundesrat and the Reichstag. Generally in a dictatorship, these bodies are often ignored. To respond to the latter part of that quote: "...various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong...," one could say democracies are dictatorships as well through their usage of keeping the democratic government's power strong against attempts to remove it.

Interesting. So, it is dependent upon whether that country has a history of monarchs to determine if it is a monarchy or dictatorship? Would that make the DPRK a monarchy and not a dictatorship? It has passed down a hereditary line and Korea had a monarchy for millennia. And to Germany's Reichstag, they have the Supreme People's Assembly. To your Bundesrat, they have the State Affairs Commission.

[Fascist Republic of Uzumakistan]

A large benefit of hereditary Monarchies is that special interests cannot buy the top position in the country. The corporate elite and aristocracy are under the total control of the monarch, who can protect the people from finnancial domination.

Also, the heir to the trone is born and raised to rule, surrounded by some of the best thinkers, artists, and leaders in the world. The heir not only inherits the crown, but the traditions, customs, and values held by the previous monarch as they are family traditions.

Your latter statement is exactly what I use against those who state that a monarch "simply inherits the position without any knowledge of leading."

Quick question, what happened to Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

How are they not? Encyclopædia Britannica defines dictatorship as "a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong." Sounds like a monarchy to me.

You are sooo wrong: A monarchy is a form of government in which a group, generally a family representing a dynasty, embodies the country's national identity and its head, the monarch, exercises the role of sovereignty. The actual power of the monarch may vary from purely symbolic (crowned republic), to partial and restricted (constitutional monarchy), to completely autocratic (absolute monarchy). Traditionally the monarch's post is inherited and lasts until death or abdication. In contrast, elective monarchies require the monarch to be elected. Both types have further variations as there are widely divergent structures and traditions defining monarchy. For example, in some elected monarchies only pedigrees are taken into account for eligibility of the next ruler, whereas many hereditary monarchies impose requirements regarding the religion, age, gender, mental capacity, etc. Occasionally this might create a situation of rival claimants whose legitimacy is subject to effective election. There have been cases where the term of a monarch's reign is either fixed in years or continues until certain goals are achieved: an invasion being repulsed, for instance.

Monarchic rule was the most common form of government until the 19th century. It is now usually a constitutional monarchy, in which the monarch retains a unique legal and ceremonial role, but exercises limited or no official political power: under the written or unwritten constitution, others have governing authority. Currently, 45 sovereign nations in the world have monarchs acting as heads of state, 16 of which are Commonwealth realms that recognise Queen Elizabeth II as their head of state. Most modern European monarchies are constitutional and hereditary with a largely ceremonial role, with the exception of the Vatican which is an elective theocracy and the Principalities of Liechtenstein and Monaco where the monarchs exercise unrestricted authority. The monarchies of Cambodia and Malaysia are constitutional with a largely ceremonial role, despite possessing significantly more social and legal clout than their European counterparts. The monarchs of Brunei, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Swaziland have more political influence than any other single source of authority in their nations, either by tradition or a constitutional mandate.

And:

Dictatorship is a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong.

A dictatorship is a type of authoritarianism, in which politicians regulate nearly every aspect of the public and private behavior of citizens. Dictatorship and totalitarian societies generally employ political propaganda to decrease the influence of proponents of alternative governing systems. In the past, different religious tactics were used by dictators to maintain their rule, such as the monarchical system in the west.

In the 19th and 20th centuries, traditional monarchies gradually declined and disappeared. Dictatorship and constitutional democracy emerged as the world's two major forms of government. And a Dictatorship is from a Republican origin, like most dictators hated the monarchy and anyone who was against the government

Uh... What was the purpose here? I simply quoted a definition from the Encyclopædia Britannica. No one asked for a copy and pasted essay, mate.

[Engleberg]

Your latter statement is exactly what I use against those who state that a monarch "simply inherits the position without any knowledge of leading."

Quick question, what happened to Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany?

Wilhelm abdicated and fled to the Netherlands, where he lived in exile until 1941. The Queen of the Netherlands denied to give him to the Allies, who wished to put him on trial as a "war criminal" (what irony there). From then on, he remarried and then lived quietly. When the Netherlands was invaded by Nazi Germany, the Nazis did not do much with him other than giving him guards. He was hoping that when the Nazis came to power they would put him back on the throne, but that didn't happen. He also specifically asked for there not to be any swastikas at his funeral, but they also didn't listen.

[Principality of the Raix]

Monarchies are not dictatorships because they are historically and culturally part of a nation. In a monarchy, example the German Empire, the Kaiser was supported in legislation by the Bundesrat and the Reichstag. Generally in a dictatorship, these bodies are often ignored. To respond to the latter part of that quote: "...various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong...," one could say democracies are dictatorships as well through their usage of keeping the democratic government's power strong against attempts to remove it.

Interesting. So, it is dependent upon whether that country has a history of monarchs to determine if it is a monarchy or dictatorship? Would that make the DPRK a monarchy and not a dictatorship? It has passed down a hereditary line and Korea had a monarchy for millennia. And to Germany's Reichstag, they have the Supreme People's Assembly. To your Bundesrat, they have the State Affairs Commission.

Well as far as the DPRK, yes in a form. Sadly, this is a correct assumption. Even though Korea before all the division was a lot better then after. While same with Germany, seeing as they were a Monarchy before becoming well what they are now.

[New Greater Netherlands]

You are sooo wrong: A monarchy is a form of government in which a group, generally a family representing a dynasty, embodies the country's national identity and its head, the monarch, exercises the role of sovereignty. The actual power of the monarch may vary from purely symbolic (crowned republic), to partial and restricted (constitutional monarchy), to completely autocratic (absolute monarchy). Traditionally the monarch's post is inherited and lasts until death or abdication. In contrast, elective monarchies require the monarch to be elected. Both types have further variations as there are widely divergent structures and traditions defining monarchy. For example, in some elected monarchies only pedigrees are taken into account for eligibility of the next ruler, whereas many hereditary monarchies impose requirements regarding the religion, age, gender, mental capacity, etc. Occasionally this might create a situation of rival claimants whose legitimacy is subject to effective election. There have been cases where the term of a monarch's reign is either fixed in years or continues until certain goals are achieved: an invasion being repulsed, for instance.

Monarchic rule was the most common form of government until the 19th century. It is now usually a constitutional monarchy, in which the monarch retains a unique legal and ceremonial role, but exercises limited or no official political power: under the written or unwritten constitution, others have governing authority. Currently, 45 sovereign nations in the world have monarchs acting as heads of state, 16 of which are Commonwealth realms that recognise Queen Elizabeth II as their head of state. Most modern European monarchies are constitutional and hereditary with a largely ceremonial role, with the exception of the Vatican which is an elective theocracy and the Principalities of Liechtenstein and Monaco where the monarchs exercise unrestricted authority. The monarchies of Cambodia and Malaysia are constitutional with a largely ceremonial role, despite possessing significantly more social and legal clout than their European counterparts. The monarchs of Brunei, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Swaziland have more political influence than any other single source of authority in their nations, either by tradition or a constitutional mandate.

And:

Dictatorship is a form of government in which a country or a group of countries is ruled by one person (a dictator) or by a polity, and power (social and political) is exercised through various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong.

A dictatorship is a type of authoritarianism, in which politicians regulate nearly every aspect of the public and private behavior of citizens. Dictatorship and totalitarian societies generally employ political propaganda to decrease the influence of proponents of alternative governing systems. In the past, different religious tactics were used by dictators to maintain their rule, such as the monarchical system in the west.

In the 19th and 20th centuries, traditional monarchies gradually declined and disappeared. Dictatorship and constitutional democracy emerged as the world's two major forms of government. And a Dictatorship is from a Republican origin, like most dictators hated the monarchy and anyone who was against the government

Uh... What was the purpose here? I simply quoted a definition from the Encyclopædia Britannica. No one asked for a copy and pasted essay, mate.

Wikipedia tells the truth, and i decide if i want to copy and paste or not

[Kanadorika]

A large benefit of hereditary Monarchies is that special interests cannot buy the top position in the country. The corporate elite and aristocracy are under the total control of the monarch, who can protect the people from finnancial domination.

Also, the heir to the trone is born and raised to rule, surrounded by some of the best thinkers, artists, and leaders in the world. The heir not only inherits the crown, but the traditions, customs, and values held by the previous monarch as they are family traditions.

Your latter statement is exactly what I use against those who state that a monarch "simply inherits the position without any knowledge of leading."

Exactly. They spend their entire childhood and young adult lives preparing the rule their subjects. Monarchs are physical manifestations of a nation's history and culture. They do not chose to rule, but are selected from birth to inherit the crown.

Whereas politicians in a republic must secure votes and money to campaign and win office, a monarch has no such restrictions. He/she owes no favors to special interest groups.

[Fascist Republic of Uzumakistan]

Quick question, what happened to Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany?

Wilhelm abdicated and fled to the Netherlands, where he lived in exile until 1941. The Queen of the Netherlands denied to give him to the Allies, who wished to put him on trial as a "war criminal" (what irony there). From then on, he remarried and then lived quietly. When the Netherlands was invaded by Nazi Germany, the Nazis did not do much with him other than giving him guards. He was hoping that when the Nazis came to power they would put him back on the throne, but that didn't happen. He also specifically asked for there not to be any swastikas at his funeral, but they also didn't listen.

Did he have children after that?

[The Portland Territory]

Hm, this has surprisingly lasted long. So, hello comrades

[Salus Maior]

Question to the Monarchists: how do you deal with an inept King coming to power? How do you prevent that?

Surprisingly enough this has happened in the past few thousand years we've had monarchy.

You get them to abdicate, usually in favor of another family member.

[Engleberg]

Monarchies are not dictatorships because they are historically and culturally part of a nation. In a monarchy, example the German Empire, the Kaiser was supported in legislation by the Bundesrat and the Reichstag. Generally in a dictatorship, these bodies are often ignored. To respond to the latter part of that quote: "...various mechanisms to ensure that the entity's power remains strong...," one could say democracies are dictatorships as well through their usage of keeping the democratic government's power strong against attempts to remove it.

Interesting. So, it is dependent upon whether that country has a history of monarchs to determine if it is a monarchy or dictatorship? Would that make the DPRK a monarchy and not a dictatorship? It has passed down a hereditary line and Korea had a monarchy for millennia. And to Germany's Reichstag, they have the Supreme People's Assembly. To your Bundesrat, they have the State Affairs Commission.

As New Greater Netherlands stated, monarchies and dictatorships are not linked. the DPRK is a dictatorship that uses a hereditary method of passing along power, which is similar to Haiti and some African dictatorships.

Korea had a monarchy, which was eliminated by Japan. Therefore, neither Koreas are similar to a monarchy and the DPRK cannot be considered one because Korea's cultural history of monarchism has been destroyed.