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In my opinion, government regulation is almost never the right option. I feel like a lot of times, climate change is used to promote other government expansive policies, so that's mainly why I say that. Maybe it is caused by humans, but I just think that regulation isn't the way to go.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:15 pm

I am a Monarchist and I think of myself as a Communitarian/Red Tory/Christian Democrat in terms of ideology. But I also support same-sex marriage and protections against discrimination for LGBT people.

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Postby Collatis » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:46 pm

I'm an internationalist and world federalist who is frequently supportive of nationalism (self-determination) for pragmatic and humanitarian reasons, and a feminist who believes that MRAs do have some valid points, when they stop ranting about Tumblr and Lena Dunham long enough to voice them.

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:48 pm

Just a commentary on the people subscribing to ideologies.

I think its important for people to understand all implications of their ideologies and in doing so develop their own ideology. People shouldn't state the dictionary definition of their ideology but rather what they believe in. Many people who believe in Catholicism also support same sex marriage. I personally dislike these labels that restrict you.
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Postby Webus » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:24 pm

I don't consider myself part of any ideology currently for this reason. Not to be "le radical centrist", but rather because i disagree with every ideology that currently exists. They are some historical ideologies i don't have any disagreements with, so i guess you could call me those if that really counts, in which case i wouldn't have any disagreements.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:47 am

Bienenhalde wrote:I am a Monarchist and I think of myself as a Communitarian/Red Tory/Christian Democrat in terms of ideology. But I also support same-sex marriage and protections against discrimination for LGBT people.

So you're just a euroskeptic labor supporter? Isn't red tory basically social conservatism+labor's economic policies.
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Postby West Pole » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:04 pm

I suppose you can say the closest Ideology I subscribe to is, which is quite the mouthful but, Centrist Libertarian Nationalist Confederate. More than anything it's the Nationalist part that contradicts the other parts.
Economically I'm centrist, more like Bill Clinton mid presidency than anything. However I do disagree with him on Globalism, War, and Gay Marriage greatly but I like his whole ordeal about him standing up for the moderate, older democrat.
Socially I'm more Libertarian, with a great focus on personal freedom. Except for Mass and Illegal Immigration which of course comes from the Nationalism.
When it comes to Nationalism itself, I disagree a lot with most nationalists socially and economically but my biggest gripes with the idea itself is how often nationalists are against global scientific and environmental co-operation.
And finally, I disagree with most confederates a lot socially and economically but love the idea of a confederacy itself. Where I do disagree with it though is my idea of the federal government being holy conservative on Illegal Immigration and I beleive there should be a broad range of social programs on the federal scale each state could revise or opt out of as they see fit.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:59 am

Libertarian, and a capitalist one at that. However, I don't see the economy as the be all end all of social and economic problems.
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Postby Crylante » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:45 am

I identify myself as a democratic socialist, but there are things about socialists in general that I disagree with.

Most controversially, I'm not a revolutionary. I support the achievement of socialism through democratic reform. This idea is hardly discussed, almost always brushed over as "not being possible". However, I think, given the growing anger at the status quo which can be seen through the rise of right-wing populism, that it is possible for a left-wing populist government to come to power and establish it. As for my opposition to revolution, I will merely say that I don't believe that the ends to be reached justify the means at which it is reached; the USSR committed a staggering amount of human rights abuses to pursue what it perceived as a free, equal society, and this should not be justified, and nor should revolution.

I also see many socialists acting apathetic, sometimes even opposing things such as feminism, racial equality and LGBT rights, which I think is hypocritical; one of the main goals of socialism is to ensure equality, yet I see people not willing to address other types of inequality, not just class, yet if a classless society is established, but still retains inequality, it is still far from ideal.
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Postby Dejanic » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:48 am

Collatis wrote:I'm an internationalist and world federalist who is frequently supportive of nationalism (self-determination) for pragmatic and humanitarian reasons, and a feminist who believes that MRAs do have some valid points, when they stop ranting about Tumblr and Lena Dunham long enough to voice them.

I'd agree with this to a mild extent. Though most of the decent points that MRAS support are supported by the majority of non extreme feminists anyway. A lot of MRA beliefs are just straight up sexist.
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Postby Dejanic » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:55 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:Just a commentary on the people subscribing to ideologies.

I think its important for people to understand all implications of their ideologies and in doing so develop their own ideology. People shouldn't state the dictionary definition of their ideology but rather what they believe in. Many people who believe in Catholicism also support same sex marriage. I personally dislike these labels that restrict you.

That's kind of the whole point of this thread. None of us follow a "ideology" 100 percent hence why I'm saying "state what ideology you vaguely follow then state some areas where you divert politically" worshipping labels is stupid but disregarding them all is equally delinquent and backwards, as these labels exist to simplify our conversations and make them flow more coherently. Try having a decent discussion on any topic, never mind one which involves political analysis without "labels" and you won't get far.

I'm a "Social Democrat" doesn't mean I follow the general principles of "Social Democracy" 100 percent, it means I identify with that ideology to a point at which I feel comfortable with claiming it as my own. It's a hell of a lot easier calling myself a Social Democrat than saying "I am a organism who has many beliefs" and then explaining them all individually as labels are evil, if I call myself a Social Democrat people can at the very least get the jist of what I believe in and if I have any diverting beliefs I can explain them. Likewise it makes a lot more logical sense to say "I am a Catholic who supports same sex marriage" rather than "I am of a religion which I cannot name due to the disregarding of labels, here are my beliefs" then basically reading out the entirety of the bible, the former describes your belief system with the addition of an ideological diversion, the latter is stupid and is basically what you're suggesting.

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Postby Minoa » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:02 am

Total command control of the economy, like in Venezuela. That's a bit too far.
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Postby Dejanic » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:04 am

Minoa wrote:Total command control of the economy, like in Venezuela. That's a bit too far.

Private business exists in Venezuela, there isn't total control.
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Postby Minoa » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:31 am

Dejanic wrote:
Minoa wrote:Total command control of the economy, like in Venezuela. That's a bit too far.

Private business exists in Venezuela, there isn't total control.

It seems to look like total control due to the business seizures, without compensation or due process, by Maduro.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:33 am

Minoa wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Private business exists in Venezuela, there isn't total control.

It seems to look like total control due to the business seizures, without compensation or due process, by Maduro.

That's not an issue of too much public ownership then, that's an issue relating to the "rule of law" however we might think of it.
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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:37 am

Like, "my ideology"?

I don't feel the need to be defined so strictly by the terms set out by other people, so if there's such a thing as "my ideology", it's my ideology. It's that of nobody else, and it is unique to me, myself and I.



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Postby Dejanic » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:04 pm

Minoa wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Private business exists in Venezuela, there isn't total control.

It seems to look like total control due to the business seizures, without compensation or due process, by Maduro.

Venezuela is just badly run and authoritarian, any glimmers of "Socialism" went away with Maduro's taking over.

That's not to say Venezuela was Socialist, but it was certainly moving more so in that direction under Chavez. I've said it before, you'd see more progress in Venezuelan politics if the opposition weren't shitty, corrupt and slightly evil, they literally give credence to Maduro's madness.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:16 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Minoa wrote:It seems to look like total control due to the business seizures, without compensation or due process, by Maduro.

That's not an issue of too much public ownership then, that's an issue relating to the "rule of law" however we might think of it.


The two are rather inherently related to one another.

If you set up an extremely centralized, authoritarian system (both politically and economically), it is going act as such.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:52 pm

Crylante wrote:I identify myself as a democratic socialist, but there are things about socialists in general that I disagree with.

Most controversially, I'm not a revolutionary. I support the achievement of socialism through democratic reform. This idea is hardly discussed, almost always brushed over as "not being possible". However, I think, given the growing anger at the status quo which can be seen through the rise of right-wing populism, that it is possible for a left-wing populist government to come to power and establish it. As for my opposition to revolution, I will merely say that I don't believe that the ends to be reached justify the means at which it is reached; the USSR committed a staggering amount of human rights abuses to pursue what it perceived as a free, equal society, and this should not be justified, and nor should revolution.

I also see many socialists acting apathetic, sometimes even opposing things such as feminism, racial equality and LGBT rights, which I think is hypocritical; one of the main goals of socialism is to ensure equality, yet I see people not willing to address other types of inequality, not just class, yet if a classless society is established, but still retains inequality, it is still far from ideal.


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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:45 pm

Dejanic wrote:
Minoa wrote:It seems to look like total control due to the business seizures, without compensation or due process, by Maduro.

Venezuela is just badly run and authoritarian, any glimmers of "Socialism" went away with Maduro's taking over.

That's not to say Venezuela was Socialist, but it was certainly moving more so in that direction under Chavez. I've said it before, you'd see more progress in Venezuelan politics if the opposition weren't shitty, corrupt and slightly evil, they literally give credence to Maduro's madness.


Nonsense. The opposition isn't perfect, but my god, Maduro's regime needs almost any alternative.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:38 am

I don't subscribe to any particular ideology, just my set of political beliefs. The opening question may as well read, "What issues do you disagree with yourself on?" Your ideology is nothing more than something you created to define yourself in terms of others.
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Postby Ajvar » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:52 am

Well lucky for me there are so many left-wing ideologies i can pick and choose what i want from each and still be left-wing.

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