Could the Nazis have Won ?!?

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Germany lost on January 30, 1933

The only Germany that could've had the appropriate set of allies was Weimar Germany

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If they didn't invade Russia and Japan didn't attack Pearl Harbor, then they would have a better shot.

Japan would have forced the US to act at some point just because of their overall goals, it was just a matter of when.

As for Germany? They would have had to do so many things differently that it may as well have just been a different country and conflict altogether.

• Don't break the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.
• Failing that, don't invade Russia with a plan so bad a group of toddlers could have done better
• Don't war crime your way through Eastern Europe and create a whole partisan situation that takes time and effort to deal with when there could have been a huge pool of volunteers to recruit from
• Listen to Rommel
• Listen to any of the General Staff at any point ever
• Actually don't listen to Herman Meyer
• Just don't bother with the SS
• If the SS is absolutely necessary, don't put Himmler in charge and don't let them delude themselves with ideas of Occultism and Knighthood
• Don't invent tanks in the most unnecessarily dumb way possible
• Don't get fooled into thinking an attack is coming through Scandinavia and keep it defended for so long
• Don't lose Africa and all the oil
• Don't fuck up the Battle of Britain in the dumbest way possible
• Don't let your plans to invade the US fall into US hands, like Jesus fucking christ this is basic shit come on
• Don't give Britain and it's allies four fucking years to plan and execute an invasion while doing basically nothing at all
• Don't have a leader so far up their own ass that their staff is afraid of waking them up when the country is being invaded by a massive invasion force
• Don't let idiot allies pick a fight with a country that has a higher GDP than you and all your allies combined
• If the idiots do pick a fight with said country, stay the hell out of it
• Maybe try to talk that ally into not committing a shitzillion war crimes too, while we're on the subject
• Don't go into Russia and then listen to Fred when he says "Let's split up, gang!"
• Don't get stuck in a city fight on a river when you aren't prepared for a long fight with an enemy you know won't give up
• If you have to retreat from said city fight and there is an obvious solution your man on the ground believes he can make work, don't go with the stupidly complicated plan an idiot who's failed multiple times pitches you
• I mean, just don't let Hitler lead the country, honestly
• Don't be Nazi Germany
• Don't start a war

??? Rommel tactical brilliance is a myth. Not a fact. The reason the panzer division he led was called the ghost division was not out of a positive not but rather a cognitive bad one for he made it a lot damn harder (out of his own volition in which he describes in his own memoirs mind you) to communicate with his subordinates and overall higher command. The fact if Rommel didn’t have a close association and kind of good friendship with Hitler, he would have been reprimanded and possibly relegated to reserve command for his actions and this isn’t talking about his utter disgust for basic logistical tasks.

If Hitler relies on the OKW (German overall high command) on the other of hand and not forcefully put into place von Manstein’s scheme of maneuver ( in which the OKW saw and in the words of Walther von Brauchitsch promptly told Gen. von Manstein to “fuck off”) what would have happened was the same exact occurrence in Anglo-French/German front as they were adhered to a repetion of the sickle cut (in which in hindsight French Commander Gen. Gamelin was fully expecting).

Another thing. The oil in Libya wasn’t discovered until the 56 but didn’t go into full swing till 70’s.

There is a lot to critize in Nazi Germany such as racial bigotry, method of government and assorted, however, their warfare style isn’t one of them.

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