Can't pay student loan=Loss of state licences in 19 states

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

What if we had robot plumbers? Or robot electricians?

We'll get there a lot faster with more engineers.

based on the tasks required i think we will have robot engineers before robot plumbers. field conditions dominate in plumbing and electrical work.

Isn't part of the point of engineering that human minds design the machines; with assistance from technology, yes, but the humans still in charge? By what standard is making a robot an engineer not missing the point of engineering?

[Ethel mermania]

based on the tasks required i think we will have robot engineers before robot plumbers. field conditions dominate in plumbing and electrical work.

Isn't part of the point of engineering that human minds design the machines; with assistance from technology, yes, but the humans still in charge? By what standard is making a robot an engineer not missing the point of engineering?

not sure how that applies, the question is (and we are veering off topic), is which tasks can AI be applied too, calculating loads and general placements are something AI can do. figuring out how to run electrical conduit safely though a plant or industrial environment, or setting up a a load test on an electrical panel is easier for a human to do.

[95X]

If you think everyone having access to degrees devalues them then it seems like you only see a university education as a class barrier.

The problem is that that is what happens in a market where degrees are valued. It devalues the degrees because your degree is now suddenly not as special. It doesn't show a specialty of skills. It just shows a general education in something.

Specialists have always had a lot more value in society because they have specialized in something. If everyone is a specialist then being a specialist is not a big deal since everyone can be one.

If everyone can get a degree then a degree doesn't put you ahead of the pack, it becomes an expectation for you to have one, which puts more pressure to pick the right, most profitable degree as a result even when you might hate it. It doesn't become about the love of the degree anymore, it becomes about how marketable it is.

This is extremely well-said.

At the end of the academic year, hundreds, and in the case of very large universities, thousands, of others have "any" degree (including the non-major "General Studies", "Liberal Studies", "Interdisciplinary Studies", etc.). One could apply for any job that requires 'any' degree and is at a serious disadvantage out of the gate as those with a relevant and/or specific degree to that job will be considered first.

As for getting a specialization, let's say a regional public university (often mentioned by those who believe students should choose colleges and universities with lower tuition) has 51 graduates with accounting degrees and employers in that region have 45 entry-level accounting jobs available. That means six of said graduates will need to find a job doing something else. (Before someone says "hey, 95X, let's say that one of those hires doesn't work out, that means there are six others that could easily fill that job!", we have to remember that assumes those six people are still available for work and/or could be hired.)

The other huge thing I just remembered that's directly related to the topic: if a state takes one's drivers' license for student loan default, that person no longer has a valid photo ID that can be used for the I-9 that's filled out when someone begins a job (and in most places drivers licensing offices also issue non-driving state ID cards). If someone doesn't have the documents necessary to complete an I-9, they cannot legally be hired.

[Greed and Death]

This is why the Air Force seems like an increasingly good option after high school for me.

Go Navy, unless you look forward to dying a slow, sedentary death in the Chair Force.

what are you talking about all the air forces deployments contain a 9 hole golf course and a water park.

[Ethel mermania]

The problem is that that is what happens in a market where degrees are valued. It devalues the degrees because your degree is now suddenly not as special. It doesn't show a specialty of skills. It just shows a general education in something.

Specialists have always had a lot more value in society because they have specialized in something. If everyone is a specialist then being a specialist is not a big deal since everyone can be one.

If everyone can get a degree then a degree doesn't put you ahead of the pack, it becomes an expectation for you to have one, which puts more pressure to pick the right, most profitable degree as a result even when you might hate it. It doesn't become about the love of the degree anymore, it becomes about how marketable it is.

This is extremely well-said.

At the end of the academic year, hundreds, and in the case of very large universities, thousands, of others have "any" degree (including the non-major "General Studies", "Liberal Studies", "Interdisciplinary Studies", etc.). One could apply for any job that requires 'any' degree and is at a serious disadvantage out of the gate as those with a relevant and/or specific degree to that job will be considered first.

As for getting a specialization, let's say a regional public university (often mentioned by those who believe students should choose colleges and universities with lower tuition) has 51 graduates with accounting degrees and employers in that region have 45 entry-level accounting jobs available. That means six of said graduates will need to find a job doing something else. (Before someone says "hey, 95X, let's say that one of those hires doesn't work out, that means there are six others that could easily fill that job!", we have to remember that assumes those six people are still available for work and/or could be hired.)

The other huge thing I just remembered that's directly related to the topic: if a state takes one's drivers' license for student loan default, that person no longer has a valid photo ID that can be used for the I-9 that's filled out when someone begins a job (and in most places drivers licensing offices also issue non-driving state ID cards). If someone doesn't have the documents necessary to complete an I-9, they cannot legally be hired.

What is an I-9? I have never heard of it, never filled one out either.

After a quick lookup, still never filled one out, most apps have a check box for are you eligible to work in country. Also a birth certificate or a green card would suffice.

[Gig em Aggies]

Go Navy, unless you look forward to dying a slow, sedentary death in the Chair Force.

what are you talking about all the air forces deployments contain a 9 hole golf course and a water park.

Don't forget the Air conditioning

[Micah Parker]

Dude, you can't outsource plumbing. Electrical engineers will be out of work before electricans. Though tbh, I don't see either going away for a while.

What if we had robot plumbers? Or robot electricians?

We'll get there a lot faster with more engineers.

Agree!