Can't pay student loan=Loss of state licences in 19 states

[Ifreann]

A "G" is a gangster? Like "OG"?

Maybe a geologist?

A gardener?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What nonsense are you spouting now? The certifications are supposed to equip you with the knowledge and skill to at least qualify for the entry level so that you can gain better knowledge doing entry level stuff which goes to intermediate then advanced depending on what you do. If it doesn't, then it tells me that getting the certifications doesn't have value. Certainly not worth spending thousands to get all these different certifications that companies ask you to get. It is never ever good enough for those employer fuckers.

My skills were as up to date and magnificent as I could afford, but when it didn't work I gave up pouring more resources into it. I refuse to constantly get new certifications and degrees without a guarantee that the next step I take will result in progress. I'm only bleeding money here.

The certs can dress up a resume, as can a degree, but I think Soldati made a good point that in the end its the chops that get you on the crew. The certs will always be a bit behind. I think for tech work, you have to love it and enjoy it such that you'd dance with it even if you weren't working in the field. I think those are the people who get solid in the IT field, their homes have open tower chasses and loose motherboards and memory lying around, and they configure things different ways just because its interesting for them to see it work. They run various VM's on their gear to see what different OS's do and how to make them talk to other things on their network. And they'd do that even if they worked as warehouse pickers. They just love it.

Exactly.

Just because you have a certification doesn't mean your work is done. There's always something you could be reading, something you could be testing internally, something you could always be setting up.

I mean, you don't even need to live crowded with towers and network racks and whatnot now what with virtual machinery (GNS3 networking, VMs), you just need to have a desire to learn and be curious even without being in college. You see jobs that want someone skilled in ActiveDirectory? Get a copy of Windows Server and study Active Directory. You see they want a UNIX/Linux admin? Get yourself copies of UNIX (the old UNIX) and a copy of Linux and get working on them. You think you can tackle some programming? Go for it, nowadays there are simple enough languages to write code on to where learning assembly and C is not a requirement for most duties. Also, learn scripting on multiple platforms, and learn how to document. Automating and training people to do shit gets you ahead once you're in.

But you won't advance in this field if all you're doing is the minimal work needed to get ahead. That held true back then when I was a teenager, and it still holds true more than 15 years later.

[Saiwania]

Then why am I getting job offers with just a Security+ and a CCENT in Level I Help Desk/NOC Technician and you don't?

This is a you problem, not a problem with the certifications. I get calls for work that I even refuse to pick up because I am moving out of state.

Yes, I've spent so far about 2000 dollars on my certs in study materials and courses, and I'm seeing results for investing my money into learning new skills I didn't know.

If you say the certifications are outdated, then it tells me that the certifications aren't worth getting. What value does any knowledge have if it doesn't teach you how to obtain the skills, if not outright equipping you with some of it?

So I am the Elliot Rodger of employment, bite me. He was incapable of understanding women or relationships, I'm incapable of landing any kind of job or being economically successful as a result. Having a "Day of Retribution" isn't my cup of tea however, but the chronic inner despair is real. What can I take my rage out on if it is life itself that is cruel towards me?

I can't say whether or not IT is truly for me, it is too complicated, competitive, unclear, and by the time I could correct course to be "good enough" to be accepted, ageism will lock me out of it. I chose it to begin with because I had thought that it was within my capability. I should've forced myself to become qualified for a medical job, even if I don't really give a rat's ass about the Hippocratic Oath.

I find that generally speaking, it is impossible to do what you want; you instead have to be someone people need. The more leverage you hold against your fellow man, the better. It means people have fewer opportunities to hurt you, and they will if given the chance. Everyone is just waiting to double cross everyone else. They are looking out for #1- advancement for themselves via knocking someone else out or down figuratively speaking.

I just don't have it in me to play the career game how it is meant to be played, so there is no hope for me to find in this miserable world. It doesn't look like I can succeed under capitalism but I don't think defecting to North Korea would solve my problems either.

[Republic of Keshiland]

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Then why am I getting job offers with just a Security+ and a CCENT in Level I Help Desk/NOC Technician and you don't?

This is a you problem, not a problem with the certifications. I get calls for work that I even refuse to pick up because I am moving out of state.

Yes, I've spent so far about 2000 dollars on my certs in study materials and courses, and I'm seeing results for investing my money into learning new skills I didn't know.

If you say the certifications are outdated, then it tells me that the certifications aren't worth getting. What value does any knowledge have if it doesn't teach you how to obtain the skills, if not outright equipping you with some of it?

So I am the Elliot Rodger of employment, bite me. He was incapable of understanding women or relationships, I'm incapable of landing any kind of job or being economically successful as a result. Having a "Day of Retribution" isn't my cup of tea however, but the chronic inner despair is real. What can I take my rage out on if it is life itself that is cruel towards me?

I can't say whether or not IT is truly for me, it is too complicated, competitive, unclear, and by the time I could correct course to be "good enough" to be accepted, ageism will lock me out of it. I chose it to begin with because I had thought that it was within my capability. I should've forced myself to become qualified for a medical job, even if I don't really give a rat's ass about the Hippocratic Oath.

I find that generally speaking, it is impossible to do what you want; you instead have to be someone people need. The more leverage you hold against your fellow man, the better. It means people have fewer opportunities to hurt you, and they will if given the chance. Everyone is just waiting to double cross everyone else. They are looking out for #1- advancement for themselves via knocking someone else out or down figuratively speaking.

I just don't have it in me to play the career game how it is meant to be played, so there is no hope for me to find in this miserable world. It doesn't look like I can succeed under capitalism but I don't think defecting to North Korea would solve my problems either.

Just because they're outdated doesn't mean the fundamentals are not necessary. Certifications like the CCNA and the CompTIA exams prepare you for the fundamentals in IT. They do not prepare you for something like system administration or network installation. That is something you have to figure out for yourself how to become good at it. The skills you pick up along the way to your certifications help, but they don't guarantee you know everything.

Certifications don't imply you know everything in the field, they simply imply you have a basic understanding of the topic up to a point.

[Yagon]

I find that generally speaking, it is impossible to do what you want; you instead have to be someone people need. The more leverage you hold against your fellow man, the better. It means people have fewer opportunities to hurt you, and they will if given the chance. Everyone is just waiting to double cross everyone else. They are looking out for #1- advancement for themselves via knocking someone else out or down figuratively speaking.

If that's how you really see the world, I would have a hard time working with you on any team, professional or otherwise.

Somewhere you have it in you to get really good at something you can monetize. If you put energy into finding it than you will find a way to think less of how they will hurt you, and more about how you can help them.

You've got that ability in you. It's on the other side of a wall of frustration, but that wall can be overcome.

I'm sorry you've been hurt. It will hurt you more to see the world in the way you've described. Somewhere in you is something a lot better.

[Serrus]

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

Or just legalize marijuana and use that money to pay for free college and other things, like Colorado did...does...did. That is good grammar.

[The Serbian Empire]

The best solution here would be to make it illegal to hound people for debt payments like this. Although people definitely shouldn't be borrowing money they can't pay back, things like this happen and you are definitely right about the fact that they are simply removing the debtor's means of paying back said debt.

However, it almost sounds like this is a gateway argument to FREE COLLEGE FOR ALL, so I'm calling bullshit there- not everyone can be (or is smart enough to be) a doctor or engineer.

Secondly, not everyone needs to be a doctor or engineer. But states put too much regulatory burden on employment as to justify a bureaucrat's paycheck.

[Kernen]

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

So, you want to take academics out of academia? And how, exactly, will the country get lawyers, doctors, biologists, chemists, physicists, so on and so forth? Because those are not trades.

[Gig em Aggies]

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

So, you want to take academics out of academia? And how, exactly, will the country get lawyers, doctors, biologists, chemists, physicists, so on and so forth? Because those are not trades.

He also seems to forget there are places called trade schools that do exactly as he describes.

[Vassenor]

However, it almost sounds like this is a gateway argument to FREE COLLEGE FOR ALL, so I'm calling bullshit there- not everyone can be (or is smart enough to be) a doctor or engineer.

I am not sure your argument tracks here.

[Outer Sparta]

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

Or just legalize marijuana and use that money to pay for free college and other things, like Colorado did...does...did. That is good grammar.

How much would marijuana tax revenue cover for college?

[Herador]

Maybe a geologist?

A gardener?

A GrandMasterOfThePrioryOfSion?

[Aethrys]

Poor execution. Would make more sense to revoke passports to prevent them from joining other students from fleeing the country to avoid paying back their loans. Could also set them up with a jobs program and just directly garnish an appropriate amount of their wages for however many years it takes them to repay what's owed.

[Valen Tines]

It seems like this would defeat the purpose of getting the loan repaid. If I can't work, I won't get paid, and I certainly can't pay you with money I don't have.

[Purpelia]

However, it almost sounds like this is a gateway argument to FREE COLLEGE FOR ALL, so I'm calling bullshit there- not everyone can be (or is smart enough to be) a doctor or engineer.

I am not sure your argument tracks here.

Basically he is under the illusion that if everyone can go into university they will go in and that everyone that goes in will also come out with a degree. Both are false and he only needs to look at the civilized nations of Europe to see it. Since I feel like educating the lazy however here is a TLDR:

1. If you ain't smart enough for college you will not get a degree. It's pay to try and not pay to win.
2. Just because you are not charging people money for education does not mean you have no standards for who gets in to weed out the stupid. Your standards are just fairer than who has the money.

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

That is horrifyingly bad for several reasons. I'll only list a few.
1. Jobs change all the time. Your narrow education would screw people over every time anything changes in the industrial process of how things are done. Which in some trades is daily.

2. You would need one school per job type which in all essentially means one school per vacancy in any company because the same job in different places is different enough that you can't narrow down like you want and still keep it functional. This leads to a bloated system.

3. Academics are essential to ensure enough people go on to find jobs in research and can contribute to the progress of your society so that you don't end up as a cheap labor colony in a generation or two.

The point of any education is not to teach you a trade but to give you the tools you need to pick up ANY trade that falls in the general field of your studies. It is to create a flexible adaptive worker that can fit in any vacancy and fill every void. For that is the only way to get a job and keep it.

Specialization is for insects.

[The Federation of Kendor]

I am not sure your argument tracks here.

Basically he is under the illusion that if everyone can go into university they will go in and that everyone that goes in will also come out with a degree. Both are false and he only needs to look at the civilized nations of Europe to see it. Since I feel like educating the lazy however here is a TLDR:

1. If you ain't smart enough for college you will not get a degree. It's pay to try and not pay to win.
2. Just because you are not charging people money for education does not mean you have no standards for who gets in to weed out the stupid. Your standards are just fairer than who has the money.

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

That is horrifyingly bad for several reasons. I'll only list a few.
1. Jobs change all the time. Your narrow education would screw people over every time anything changes in the industrial process of how things are done. Which in some trades is daily.

2. You would need one school per job type which in all essentially means one school per vacancy in any company because the same job in different places is different enough that you can't narrow down like you want and still keep it functional. This leads to a bloated system.

3. Academics are essential to ensure enough people go on to find jobs in research and can contribute to the progress of your society so that you don't end up as a cheap labor colony in a generation or two.

The point of any education is not to teach you a trade but to give you the tools you need to pick up ANY trade that falls in the general field of your studies. It is to create a flexible adaptive worker that can fit in any vacancy and fill every void. For that is the only way to get a job and keep it.

Specialization is for insects.

I think we should make a new thread to discuss the problems with college degree, education, student loan, etc. However, i don't have time, so can someone make it.

Anyway, for the issue, I still cannot make up my mind. The problem is that I'm still at the young spectrum of the legal age for NS forum (I'll be 14 in less than two months, on January). Plus, I'm a kind person. I also don't know my career choice yet. Is it to work as a scientist (I don't even know what field to work on)? A manager/businessman (To continue my father's business)? Or a doctor (I will be grossed out if I have to perform dissection)? Then there's many of my flaws, with laziness being my worst flaw. I have a difficulty on sacrificing something for long-term. I often think of short-term, as I usually played instead of studying daily (in fact, my grades are not bad due to being able to memorize it, but only because of the situation, and I will forget some or most of it once I don't read it anymore.)

As for the issue on the OP, I think the government must allow them to work, so that they can repay their loans. Maybe give some penalties to them. Also, they should be wiser and more hard working

[Purpelia]

I think we should make a new thread to discuss the problems with college degree, education, student loan, etc. However, i don't have time, so can someone make it.

I disagree. The issues are very topical for the subject of this thread because they are the underlying reason for their existence. Ignoring them or shipping them off to a separate thread would be counterproductive.

Anyway, for the issue, I still cannot make up my mind. The problem is that I'm still at the young spectrum of the legal age for NS forum (I'll be 14 in less than two months, on January). Plus, I'm a kind person. I also don't know my career choice yet. Is it to work as a scientist (I don't even know what field to work on)? A manager/businessman (To continue my father's business)? Or a doctor (I will be grossed out if I have to perform dissection)? Then there's many of my flaws, with laziness being my worst flaw. I have a difficulty on sacrificing something for long-term. I often think of short-term, as I usually played instead of studying daily (in fact, my grades are not bad due to being able to memorize it, but only because of the situation, and I will forget some or most of it once I don't read it anymore.)

When I was your age I already knew I wanted to be a computer programmer and had been scouting out high schools to see which one would give me the best start for the university I wanted to attend. Than again I am somewhat a special case because I am literally in love with computer programming. I can spend hours automating a 15 minute manual job and get a kick out of it newer the less.

My advice is start looking now.

[Salandriagado]

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

So, you want to take academics out of academia? And how, exactly, will the country get lawyers, doctors, biologists, chemists, physicists, so on and so forth? Because those are not trades.

More precisely: universities are already running in exactly this way: a PhD is exactly and precisely an apprenticeship for going into academia.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We need to drastically change the whole college system.

Colleges need to teach to the trade! They should be used as internships where professionals teach students about things in their field and train specifically for the job they are going into. They should graduate with a certificate for that job. The schools should remove all academics from their graduation requirements. Most courses should take 2-3 years to finish. After college the people who they interned should guarantee the graduates a job and then the problem solved.

This is a stupid way to manage human resources.

People moving vertically but not horizontally breaks down an economy because of the lack of adaptation to it.

You want a shit economy? This is the way to do it.

[Massachusettsan Pocahontas]

Of course they should lose their licences. What other incentive is there to force them to pay?

If they don't have assets, there isn't much use in forcing them into bankruptcy?

[Gig em Aggies]

Of course they should lose their licences. What other incentive is there to force them to pay?

If they don't have assets, there isn't much use in forcing them into bankruptcy?

Then genius how are they going to pay if they can't work besides; Most debtors won't be able to discharge (wipe out) student loan debt in Chapter 7 or Chapter 13 bankruptcy. However, if you can prove that repaying your student loans would cause an undue hardship to you, you can get rid of your student loans in bankruptcy.

[The New California Republic]

Of course they should lose their licences. What other incentive is there to force them to pay?

That makes absolutely no sense. So someone cannot pay off a loan, so you do something to reduce their ability to pay even further?? It is akin to breaking someone's legs to motivate them to get some exercise. It really is that absurd.

[Gig em Aggies]

Of course they should lose their licences. What other incentive is there to force them to pay?

That makes absolutely no sense. So someone cannot pay off a loan, so you do something to reduce their ability to pay even further?? It is akin to breaking someone's legs to motivate them to get some exercise. It really is that absurd.

Or forcing them to get fatter to lose weight. Or forcing them to the dark side to get them to the light side.

[Kenmoria]

Of course they should lose their licences. What other incentive is there to force them to pay?

If they don't have assets, there isn't much use in forcing them into bankruptcy?

Having a drivers license is valued on a CV so removing it is decreasing the student's chances of getting a job. This reduces the amount of money they earn and thus make it harder to pay back the loan. Which is obviously contradictory, its like encouraging a child to eat better, then force-feeding them chocolate cake as a punishment to motivate them.