Child sex slave kills captor, gets sentenced to life

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Why doesn't the article talk more on the murder?

Sixteen-year-old Cyntoia Brown's sexual encounters had included many rapes, assaults during or before sex, and times when she was under the influence of drugs.[1] Brown had a physically and sexually abusive pimp named "Kut-throat" (sometimes shortened to just "Kut"), who brandished guns at her and forced her into prostitution.[3][4] Brown was picked up by a 43-year-old real estate agent, Johnny Allen, and taken to his house on August 6, 2004.[1] Brown stated that for several weeks leading up to that day, she had been repeatedly raped and was on drugs.[3] When she arrived at Allen's house, she found it contained several guns. Brown said that she was afraid that she would be shot, which led her to shoot and kill Allen. Brown was then arrested for Allen's murder.[2][1]

Prosecutors argued that her motive for killing Allen was robbery.[4] This was, in part, due to video-recorded admissions Brown made during her arrest. Brown admitted to lying about her age when she first encountered her victim.[citation needed] While Allen slept, she left the room, found his gun collection, returned to the bedroom and shot him while he slept.[5] Prosecutors raised the point that Brown premeditated the murder, because the victim was asleep, she had an opportunity to leave and chose not to. Brown later told investigators that Allen had reached for something and she feared for her life, but the forensic evidence didn't support it. Evidence shows Allen was asleep when he was shot dead with a gunshot wound to the back of his head. His hands were underneath his body and partially interlocked indicative of a person who is sleeping. When Brown left Allen's house, she took his wallet, guns, and his car.

Ah.... Because she was on drugs, told him she was 18+, he didn't rape her but paid for what he assumed was a willing prostitute, she shot him in the back of the head while he slept, and robbed him.

She got what she deserved. I hope her pimp and anyone who did rape her are brought to justice but she had no right to murder Johnny Allen in cold blood.

[Vassenor]

So how is shooting a sleeping person in the back of the head self defence?

Because if she tells the police, he might get caught or he might escape. If he is caught, he might get out after a few years and rape her again. Watch 'Cape Fear' to learn more.

Real life is not a movie.

[Tekania]

Why doesn't the article talk more on the murder?

Sixteen-year-old Cyntoia Brown's sexual encounters had included many rapes, assaults during or before sex, and times when she was under the influence of drugs.[1] Brown had a physically and sexually abusive pimp named "Kut-throat" (sometimes shortened to just "Kut"), who brandished guns at her and forced her into prostitution.[3][4] Brown was picked up by a 43-year-old real estate agent, Johnny Allen, and taken to his house on August 6, 2004.[1] Brown stated that for several weeks leading up to that day, she had been repeatedly raped and was on drugs.[3] When she arrived at Allen's house, she found it contained several guns. Brown said that she was afraid that she would be shot, which led her to shoot and kill Allen. Brown was then arrested for Allen's murder.[2][1]

Prosecutors argued that her motive for killing Allen was robbery.[4] This was, in part, due to video-recorded admissions Brown made during her arrest. Brown admitted to lying about her age when she first encountered her victim.[citation needed] While Allen slept, she left the room, found his gun collection, returned to the bedroom and shot him while he slept.[5] Prosecutors raised the point that Brown premeditated the murder, because the victim was asleep, she had an opportunity to leave and chose not to. Brown later told investigators that Allen had reached for something and she feared for her life, but the forensic evidence didn't support it. Evidence shows Allen was asleep when he was shot dead with a gunshot wound to the back of his head. His hands were underneath his body and partially interlocked indicative of a person who is sleeping. When Brown left Allen's house, she took his wallet, guns, and his car.

Ah.... Because she was on drugs, told him she was 18+, he didn't rape her but paid for what he assumed was a willing prostitute, she shot him in the back of the head while he slept, and robbed him.

She got what she deserved. I hope her pimp and anyone who did rape her are brought to justice but she had no right to murder Johnny Allen in cold blood.

Because the article is not concerned with the actual facts of the case, they are concerned with broadcasting outrage to easily manipulated reactionaries.

[Tekania]

If rape was proven, she is justified in killing that scumbag and should just receive some subsidized mental health counseling. One less piece of trash on Earth.

What was proven is she shot a man in the back of the head with a gun supplied by her pimp, a man who she just met, shooting him while he slept and then stole his money, guns and truck. She then drove straight to her pimp, under his direction then drove the truck to a store parking lot to leave it and returned back with her pimp again.

[Longweather]

If rape was proven, she is justified in killing that scumbag and should just receive some subsidized mental health counseling. One less piece of trash on Earth.

Kind of hard to prove rape when the other party was shot in the head while asleep.

[Kramania]

'Tis a fucked up world we are living in. What a shame.

[Des-Bal]

The "criminal got what was coming" virtue signalling in this thread? Just projects soulless legalism that gives a life sentence to an abused spouse that kills the abuser in self-defense.

First of all I'm not convinced a life sentence was necessary and I know that at least one other person who supported the conviction has stated they feel the same way.

Second of all the idea of a battered person syndrome is that killing your spouse is the only way you believe that your situation can end. She didn't end her situation, she made no effort to end her situation. She committed premeditated murder then robbed the victim and returned to her pimp. If she had not been arrested there is no reason to believe that she wouldn't continue working that same corner shortly afterwards.

If it's self defense for her to kill a client solely because they are a client even if she isn't escaping, protecting herself from further abuse, or doing anything else remotely similar to defending herself then you need to consider what that means. You are not taking a stand for victims rights, you are not preserving anyone's dignity, all you are saying is that it is legal to kill johns.

[Infected Mushroom]

She should be declared free of all wrongdoing by the court.

Fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

A major wrong was committed when the child was taken as a sex slave. Now its not about what the child wants or what the law might impose; its what honour demands.

I am sure that Hercule Poirot and Eddard Stark would acquit if they were to decide this child's fate. The fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

Based purely on moral dissonance I'm sure that neither of those fictional characters would be on her side. At 16 neither would really consider her a child.

I had to ignore how ridiculous your argument about honor was, and how illogical it was to invoke the opinions of fictional characters, in order to point out how ridiculous your assessment of those character's morality was. Everything you just said was an absurdity that could only result in prostitutes killing and robbing johns then running into the street screaming "HONOR!" before doing the exact same thing again.

The only moral dissonance is that you're saying we should punish a child sex slave for killing the person who's abused, humiliated, molested, and enslaved her.

And no I don't place particular premium on the fact that they are a child. It should be the same outcome even if a woman was the victim here.

[Galloism]

The only moral dissonance is that you're saying we should punish a child sex slave for killing the person who's abused, humiliated, molested, and enslaved her.

Are you talking about some other case? What you’re saying seems to have no relevance to this one.

[Infected Mushroom]

The only moral dissonance is that you're saying we should punish a child sex slave for killing the person who's abused, humiliated, molested, and enslaved her.

Are you talking about some other case? What you’re saying seems to have no relevance to this one.

I'm responding based on the title of the thread

[Fartsniffage]

Based purely on moral dissonance I'm sure that neither of those fictional characters would be on her side. At 16 neither would really consider her a child.

I had to ignore how ridiculous your argument about honor was, and how illogical it was to invoke the opinions of fictional characters, in order to point out how ridiculous your assessment of those character's morality was. Everything you just said was an absurdity that could only result in prostitutes killing and robbing johns then running into the street screaming "HONOR!" before doing the exact same thing again.

The only moral dissonance is that you're saying we should punish a child sex slave for killing the person who's abused, humiliated, molested, and enslaved her.

And no I don't place particular premium on the fact that they are a child. It should be the same outcome even if a woman was the victim here.

It's like you have no idea what's going on. So.....a normal day then.

[Galloism]

Are you talking about some other case? What you’re saying seems to have no relevance to this one.

I'm responding based on the title of the thread

Then maybe you need to read the facts of the case. Which I have linked to. Twice.

She didn’t kill her “captor” (pimp). The pimp gave her a gun, sent her out to prostitute herself. She lied to the John about her age, slept with him, waited until he fell asleep, shot him in the back of the head while he was asleep, stole his wallet, two guns, and his pickup truck then went back to her pimp.

That’s what happened.

[Kramania]

I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.

I tend to think that if you're holding someone as a sex slave then you are constantly threatening them, regardless of whether you are asleep or not.

[Galloism]

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.

I tend to think that if you're holding someone as a sex slave then you are constantly threatening them, regardless of whether you are asleep or not.

First, that’s ridiculous.

Second, it’s irrelevant. She didn’t shoot the pimp. She shot the John then went back to the pimp.

[Kramania]

I tend to think that if you're holding someone as a sex slave then you are constantly threatening them, regardless of whether you are asleep or not.

First, that’s ridiculous.

Second, it’s irrelevant. She didn’t shoot the pimp. She shot the John then went back to the pimp.

Holding someone against their will is threatening them.

And so? What's your point?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

First, that’s ridiculous.

Second, it’s irrelevant. She didn’t shoot the pimp. She shot the John then went back to the pimp.

Holding someone against their will is threatening them.

And so? What's your point?

His point is that the man the prostitute shot was not holding her againster her will and never had. Nor had he ever threatened her otherwise. Please read up on the case. The OP posted an incredibly bias article that misrepresented the facts.

[Des-Bal]

Holding someone against their will is threatening them.

And so? What's your point?

She wasn't being held against her will. She was working a corner, she was approached by a john, she told that john she was 18, that john took her back to his home, after he fell asleep she shot him in the head and took his money, car, and guns. She took these things back to her pimp. Her pimp sent her to get rid of the car. She wasn't trapped, and she never acted like she was escaping from anything. She executed and robbed a client, if that's not something you're just allowed to do then yes she should have been punished.

[Shurjah]

I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.

That is so dumb "not a threat at the time" so what if he was a sleep so what if it was in front of his wife or friends it is fair and just and she should be free this is unjust and wrong punishing people for doing the community a favor and saving themselves and acting naturally seeking vengeance and protection of her honor and dignity.

If this was my daughter the man would not have to fear her but rather me evil men like this whos lives are ended by their victims are not "murdered" they are executed and sent to hell

[Galloism]

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.

That is so dumb "not a threat at the time" so what if he was a sleep so what if it was in front of his wife or friends it is fair and just and she should be free this is unjust and wrong punishing people for doing the community a favor and saving themselves and acting naturally seeking vengeance and protection of her honor and dignity.

If this was my daughter the man would not have to fear her but rather me evil men like this whos lives are ended by their victims are not "murdered" they are executed and sent to hell

I mean, if you think buying a prostitute's services - that you think is over 18 - is a crime worthy of death.

But we tend to frown on summary execution of Johns. We tend to frown on summary executions in general.

[Shurjah]

That is so dumb "not a threat at the time" so what if he was a sleep so what if it was in front of his wife or friends it is fair and just and she should be free this is unjust and wrong punishing people for doing the community a favor and saving themselves and acting naturally seeking vengeance and protection of her honor and dignity.

If this was my daughter the man would not have to fear her but rather me evil men like this whos lives are ended by their victims are not "murdered" they are executed and sent to hell

I mean, if you think buying a prostitute's services - that you think is over 18 - is a crime worthy of death.

But we tend to frown on summary execution of Johns. We tend to frown on summary executions in general.

She was a slave I hate prostitution and prostitutes and people who hire them but that takes a certain level of granting permission on behalf of the prostitute she killed her captor and freed herself she not only helped herself but cleaned up her area with one less criminal

[Galloism]

I mean, if you think buying a prostitute's services - that you think is over 18 - is a crime worthy of death.

But we tend to frown on summary execution of Johns. We tend to frown on summary executions in general.

She was a slave I hate prostitution and prostitutes and people who hire them but that takes a certain level of granting permission on behalf of the prostitute she killed her captor and freed herself she not only helped herself but cleaned up her area with one less criminal

She did not kill her "captor" (the pimp). She took a gun from the pimp, with his permission, killed a john, stole his wallet, two guns, and his pickup truck, and then returned to the pimp. She didn't free herself. She killed a John and returned to the pimp that is oft referred to as her "captor", even though her "captor" provided her a loaded firearm and she returned to him of her own free will.

[Des-Bal]

That is so dumb "not a threat at the time" so what if he was a sleep so what if it was in front of his wife or friends it is fair and just and she should be free this is unjust and wrong punishing people for doing the community a favor and saving themselves and acting naturally seeking vengeance and protection of her honor and dignity.

If this was my daughter the man would not have to fear her but rather me evil men like this whos lives are ended by their victims are not "murdered" they are executed and sent to hell

Well sir we aren't really so big on killing people for honor or vengeance in the civilized world. Since you've just conceded this wasn't self defense we're just discussing whether or not murder's okay.

If this was your daughter I'd be confused as to what genetic factors led to both you and her reserving your righteous fury for some random john and not her pimp/drug dealer/ rapist/ housemate. You know, the guy who she brought the money and guns she stole? The guy who was almost certainly going to have her back on the same corner doing the same thing?

[Galloism]

That is so dumb "not a threat at the time" so what if he was a sleep so what if it was in front of his wife or friends it is fair and just and she should be free this is unjust and wrong punishing people for doing the community a favor and saving themselves and acting naturally seeking vengeance and protection of her honor and dignity.

If this was my daughter the man would not have to fear her but rather me evil men like this whos lives are ended by their victims are not "murdered" they are executed and sent to hell

Well sir we aren't really so big on killing people for honor or vengeance in the civilized world. Since you've just conceded this wasn't self defense we're just discussing whether or not murder's okay.

If this was your daughter I'd be confused as to what genetic factors led to both you and her reserving your righteous fury for some random john and not her pimp/drug dealer/ rapist/ housemate. You know, the guy who she brought the money and guns she stole? The guy who was almost certainly going to have her back on the same corner doing the same thing?

Honestly I have no idea what I'd do if she were my daughter.

I'm sure it would probably involve wondering, at length, late at night, where I had gone so horribly wrong.

[Des-Bal]

She was a slave I hate prostitution and prostitutes and people who hire them but that takes a certain level of granting permission on behalf of the prostitute she killed her captor and freed herself she not only helped herself but cleaned up her area with one less criminal

Read ANYTHING about the situation. Please.

1. She wasn't some child brought to a foreign country in a shipping container and locked in a basement, at 16 she met a genuine Class A prick who raped her. She stayed with him and he pimped her out so the two of them had money for cocaine. This is a bad situation but it's not one she couldn't get out of, especially considering he gave her a gun for protection and didn't really supervise her while she was working.

2. She didn't free herself. The guy she shot was a customer. She shoot him and went back to her pimp to give him the money and guns she stole. He sent her away ALONE to hide. If she wanted to escape she could have left the corner, if she wanted to escape she could have left the john's house, if she wanted to escape she could have shot her pimp, if she wanted to escape she could have done about a dozen things. She was not trying to escape.

[Shurjah]

She was a slave I hate prostitution and prostitutes and people who hire them but that takes a certain level of granting permission on behalf of the prostitute she killed her captor and freed herself she not only helped herself but cleaned up her area with one less criminal

Read ANYTHING about the situation. Please.

1. She wasn't some child brought to a foreign country in a shipping container and locked in a basement, at 16 she met a genuine Class A prick who raped her. She stayed with him and he pimped her out so the two of them had money for cocaine. This is a bad situation but it's not one she couldn't get out of, especially considering he gave her a gun for protection and didn't really supervise her while she was working.

2. She didn't free herself. The guy she shot was a customer. She shoot him and went back to her pimp to give him the money and guns she stole. He sent her away ALONE to hide. If she wanted to escape she could have left the corner, if she wanted to escape she could have left the john's house, if she wanted to escape she could have shot her pimp, if she wanted to escape she could have done about a dozen things. She was not trying to escape.

The title is misleading