Child sex slave kills captor, gets sentenced to life

[Greed and Death]

She also robbed him of his firearms, his SUV, and money.

Looks more like she and her pimp preplanned robbing him rather than the story of a teen being raped and killing her rapist that the Crockomentary is sell us.

Apparently her initial statement to the police involves lying about her age and admitting she killed the guy in his sleep after initially beginning to leave. It's supposedly mentioned in the documentary but I haven't had the chance to watch it yet.

I don't think I will watch it it appears anyone who does loses their damn mind.

[Galloism]

She also robbed him of his firearms, his SUV, and money.

Looks more like she and her pimp preplanned robbing him rather than the story of a teen being raped and killing her rapist that the Crockomentary is sell us.

If the pimp who kept her as a sex slave, and brutalized her in every possible way, coerced her into a plan that he created -"kill and rob this man or I'll kill you" - that could put self-defence back on the table.

Um, no.

You can't kill dude B because dude A coerced you and call it 'self-defense'. It literally doesn't work that way, or we basically couldn't prosecute gang violence.

[Camicon]

If the pimp who kept her as a sex slave, and brutalized her in every possible way, coerced her into a plan that he created -"kill and rob this man or I'll kill you" - that could put self-defence back on the table.

Um, no.

You can't kill dude B because dude A coerced you and call it 'self-defense'. It literally doesn't work that way, or we basically couldn't prosecute gang violence.

A person who killed another under threat of death themselves might be given a conditional, or unconditional, discharge. Being found guilty doesn't necessarily mean being convicted.

[Greed and Death]

She also robbed him of his firearms, his SUV, and money.

Looks more like she and her pimp preplanned robbing him rather than the story of a teen being raped and killing her rapist that the Crockomentary is sell us.

If the pimp who kept her as a sex slave, and brutalized her in every possible way, coerced her into a plan that he created -"kill and rob this man or I'll kill you" - that could put self-defence back on the table.

No.

First the defense you are using is Duress not self defense.
Second Duress requires imminence and that the actor had no reasonable opportunity of escape.

There was no imminence and the actor had the chance to escape by walking out the front door and finding a police officer.

[Greed and Death]

Um, no.

You can't kill dude B because dude A coerced you and call it 'self-defense'. It literally doesn't work that way, or we basically couldn't prosecute gang violence.

A person who killed another under threat of death themselves might be given a conditional, or unconditional, discharge. Being found guilty doesn't necessarily mean being convicted.

That is called Duress or Coericion.

You need three elements.
1. The accused needs to reasonable believe the treats may be carried out.
2. the threats need to be immediate in nature
3. there needs to be no reasonable chance of escape.


1. might have been met but 2 and 3 are not even close.

[Longweather]

She also robbed him of his firearms, his SUV, and money.

Looks more like she and her pimp preplanned robbing him rather than the story of a teen being raped and killing her rapist that the Crockomentary is sell us.

If the pimp who kept her as a sex slave, and brutalized her in every possible way, coerced her into a plan that he created -"kill and rob this man or I'll kill you" - that could put self-defence back on the table.

Except the part where the pimp armed her and thus gave her power to end him to begin with. She apparently killed the victim with the gun her pimp gave her.

Apparently her initial statement to the police involves lying about her age and admitting she killed the guy in his sleep after initially beginning to leave. It's supposedly mentioned in the documentary but I haven't had the chance to watch it yet.

I don't think I will watch it it appears anyone who does loses their damn mind.

It might. Still want to see that point since it's pretty damning that the initial story she told matches up with the forensic evidence.

[Equality of Nations]

Yeah, if she was able to contact the police she should have. If her life was in danger than the murder is justified. We need more information about the case.

If you read the thread, some people have provided additional info. Forensics point toward the guy being shot in his sleep, and it was a john, not her pimp.

She was in a bad situation, and she should not have been tried as an adult because she wasn't an adult, but she didn't have to kill the guy.

Sorry, i should have but assuming that's the case, if she were able to contact the outside word she should have. If she could fire the weapon that she found, she should have fired just so she could make some noise. But if she wasn't mature enough to make such decisions she should've gone through rehabilitation, not jail in my opinion.

[Des-Bal]

Sorry, i should have but assuming that's the case, if she were able to contact the outside word she should have. If she could fire the weapon that she found, she should have fired just so she could make some noise. But if she wasn't mature enough to make such decisions she should've gone through rehabilitation, not jail in my opinion.

She could have contacted the outside world, she was in the outside world, she left the guy's house and returned to the outside world, when she went back to her pimp he sent her back into the outside world. What happened here is that some guy picked her up and she killed him.

She also robbed him of his firearms, his SUV, and money.

Looks more like she and her pimp preplanned robbing him rather than the story of a teen being raped and killing her rapist that the Crockomentary is selling us.

Does the evidence support preplanning? Based on the testimony of some asshole at a drive thru the guy was driving around old prostitution road and eventually left with her, killing a random John isn't a great business model.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He still kidnapped her and used her.

In any case, she should be rewarded for being a hero.

Killing anyone should not bring a reward, nor qualify them to be a "hero".

Killing a sex selling, raping, slave holding, pile of shit doesn't make you a hero?

[Infected Mushroom]

She should be declared free of all wrongdoing by the court.

Fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

A major wrong was committed when the child was taken as a sex slave. Now its not about what the child wants or what the law might impose; its what honour demands.

I am sure that Hercule Poirot and Eddard Stark would acquit if they were to decide this child's fate. The fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

[Des-Bal]

She should be declared free of all wrongdoing by the court.

Fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

A major wrong was committed when the child was taken as a sex slave. Now its not about what the child wants or what the law might impose; its what honour demands.

I am sure that Hercule Poirot and Eddard Stark would acquit if they were to decide this child's fate. The fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

Based purely on moral dissonance I'm sure that neither of those fictional characters would be on her side. At 16 neither would really consider her a child.

I had to ignore how ridiculous your argument about honor was, and how illogical it was to invoke the opinions of fictional characters, in order to point out how ridiculous your assessment of those character's morality was. Everything you just said was an absurdity that could only result in prostitutes killing and robbing johns then running into the street screaming "HONOR!" before doing the exact same thing again.

[Tekania]

How can they sentence her to prison time for self-defense? As long as she is held in captivity, violence against a captor is self-defense. This ruling legitimizes slavery, tbh.

For the simple reason that its wasn't self-defense by the jury's view of the evidence. Simply claiming something is self-defense does not make it self-defense. It is the jury who will determine if a self-defense claim has merit or not in their verdict. They did not buy her self-defense claim. Shooting someone in the back of the head with a gun you brought with you and then taking valuables from their person did not fly as a valid self-defence claim to the jury. The forensic evidence did not corroborate her claims of self-defense on the stand either... she claims to have shot him while he was reaching for what she thought was a gun, however his body was found facedown with both hands under his body and interlocked with gunshot wound to the back of his head.... The forensic evidence supports her initial story in interrogation, where she stated that she shot him in the back of the head while he slept, rather than the story she gave on the stand.

[Galloism]

She should be declared free of all wrongdoing by the court.

Fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

A major wrong was committed when the child was taken as a sex slave. Now its not about what the child wants or what the law might impose; its what honour demands.

I am sure that Hercule Poirot and Eddard Stark would acquit if they were to decide this child's fate. The fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

Based purely on moral dissonance I'm sure that neither of those fictional characters would be on her side. At 16 neither would really consider her a child.

I had to ignore how ridiculous your argument about honor was, and how illogical it was to invoke the opinions of fictional characters, in order to point out how ridiculous your assessment of those character's morality was. Everything you just said was an absurdity that could only result in prostitutes killing and robbing johns then running into the street screaming "HONOR!" before doing the exact same thing again.

Imagine if we lived in Mushroom's universe. It would be a fascinating place.

[Petrasylvania]

Surprised nobody is calling for her to be executed on the spot. The feel good backpattings over her being imprisoned is palpable.

[Equality of Nations]

Sorry, i should have but assuming that's the case, if she were able to contact the outside word she should have. If she could fire the weapon that she found, she should have fired just so she could make some noise. But if she wasn't mature enough to make such decisions she should've gone through rehabilitation, not jail in my opinion.

She could have contacted the outside world, she was in the outside world, she left the guy's house and returned to the outside world, when she went back to her pimp he sent her back into the outside world. What happened here is that some guy picked her up and she killed him.

Hmm. That should be considered as premeditated murder then. Indictment's accurate. And if she really stole a bunch of items from the guy, that's just the final nail in the coffin.

[Tekania]

Killing anyone should not bring a reward, nor qualify them to be a "hero".

Killing a sex selling, raping, slave holding, pile of shit doesn't make you a hero?

That would be heroic..... however that isn't what happened here. She didn't shoot her pimp.... she shot her john in the back of the head while he slept and then stole money and goods.

[Des-Bal]

Surprised nobody is calling for her to be executed on the spot. The feel good backpattings over her being imprisoned is palpable.

Where the hell are you seeing that? There's a bunch of people outraged that a young girl who shot her captor to escape the confines of sexual slavery has been persecuted and a bunch of other people trying to explain what actually happened.

[Petrasylvania]

Surprised nobody is calling for her to be executed on the spot. The feel good backpattings over her being imprisoned is palpable.

Where the hell are you seeing that? There's a bunch of people outraged that a young girl who shot her captor to escape the confines of sexual slavery has been persecuted and a bunch of other people trying to explain what actually happened.

The "criminal got what was coming" virtue signalling in this thread? Just projects soulless legalism that gives a life sentence to an abused spouse that kills the abuser in self-defense.

[Vassenor]

She should be declared free of all wrongdoing by the court.

Fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

A major wrong was committed when the child was taken as a sex slave. Now its not about what the child wants or what the law might impose; its what honour demands.

I am sure that Hercule Poirot and Eddard Stark would acquit if they were to decide this child's fate. The fact of the matter is, she was just avenging her honour.

Killing someone as they sleep is as dishonourable as it gets.

[Gravlen]

How can they sentence her to prison time for self-defense? As long as she is held in captivity, violence against a captor is self-defense. This ruling legitimizes slavery, tbh.

For the simple reason that its wasn't self-defense by the jury's view of the evidence. Simply claiming something is self-defense does not make it self-defense. It is the jury who will determine if a self-defense claim has merit or not in their verdict. They did not buy her self-defense claim. Shooting someone in the back of the head with a gun you brought with you and then taking valuables from their person did not fly as a valid self-defence claim to the jury. The forensic evidence did not corroborate her claims of self-defense on the stand either... she claims to have shot him while he was reaching for what she thought was a gun, however his body was found facedown with both hands under his body and interlocked with gunshot wound to the back of his head.... The forensic evidence supports her initial story in interrogation, where she stated that she shot him in the back of the head while he slept, rather than the story she gave on the stand.

She didn't take the stand, so she gave no story there either.

[Tekania]

Where the hell are you seeing that? There's a bunch of people outraged that a young girl who shot her captor to escape the confines of sexual slavery has been persecuted and a bunch of other people trying to explain what actually happened.

The "criminal got what was coming" virtue signalling in this thread? Just projects soulless legalism that gives a life sentence to an abused spouse that kills the abuser in self-defense.

No, the people here are supportive of self-defense.... it has to be an actual case of self-defense though. This was not. Shooting someone you just met in the back of the head while they slept and then steeling their guns, money and car does not "self-defense" make.

[Longweather]

Killing anyone should not bring a reward, nor qualify them to be a "hero".

Killing a sex selling, raping, slave holding, pile of shit doesn't make you a hero?

Cyntoia Brown did not kill her pimp. I hesitate to use the term slaver because she was armed by him which doesn't align with how a slaver should act.

The fact of the matter is she killed the man who picked her up off the street and solicited her services as a prostitute (we don't know if she told him she was legal or not). Apparently she denies him raping her or anything outside of making her scared (from her second story, the one she said when arrested apparently aligns more with the forensic evidence) and groping her. The man she killed in his sleep was not a slaver, but was essentially a prostitute's client. (I don't like using the proper term since it's close to the guys name. )

[The Danish Peoples Party]

If rape was proven, she is justified in killing that scumbag and should just receive some subsidized mental health counseling. One less piece of trash on Earth.

[Vassenor]

If rape was proven, she is justified in killing that scumbag and should just receive some subsidized mental health counseling. One less piece of trash on Earth.

So how is shooting a sleeping person in the back of the head self defence?

[The Danish Peoples Party]

If rape was proven, she is justified in killing that scumbag and should just receive some subsidized mental health counseling. One less piece of trash on Earth.

So how is shooting a sleeping person in the back of the head self defence?

Because if she tells the police, he might get caught or he might escape. If he is caught, he might get out after a few years and rape her again. Watch 'Cape Fear' to learn more.