Child sex slave kills captor, gets sentenced to life

[Genivaria]

Also this is about a case from thirteen years ago. Why is it coming up now?

Apparently a documentary and clemency movement have been in the works for a while.

Also:

Birman's film on Cyntoia helped change Tennessee law for children like her in 2011. Now anyone 18 or younger can't even be charged with prostitution.

How was it even a thing that a legal minor could be charged with prostitution to begin with?

When you see a child "prostitute," you immediately go "this person is a slave." I mean, OK Tennessee, you eventually came to your senses, but seriously, WTF?

I apply the same exact logic to child brides.
You can't legally consent meaning that this is kidnapping and rape.
Any violence against her kidnappers the child uses to escape that situation is legally and morally justifiable.

[Cosmopoles]

The forensic evidence and robbery afterwards of the guy she killed make her account of events pretty questionable. It does have many similarities with suspicious accounts given by police but if we're going to level the playing field we should be making it hard for police to get away with it rather than letting civilians do the same thing.

Grabbing things because the person who has enslaved, assaulted, threatened to kill, and raped you has told you to bring him money would be, for most people, instinct. "I need money from this guy who hasn't paid me. I know, lets grab his wallet and things with high street value".

That doesn't scream "premeditated" to me, nor does it make her account of events at all suspect.

How do you know he hadn't already paid her? It absolutely does make it suspect, as does the positioning of the body which indicates that the victim was sleeping when he was killed, not attempting to retrieve a weapon.

[United Muscovite Nations]

How can they sentence her to prison time for self-defense? As long as she is held in captivity, violence against a captor is self-defense. This ruling legitimizes slavery, tbh.

[Genivaria]

How can they sentence her to prison time for self-defense? As long as she is held in captivity, violence against a captor is self-defense. This ruling legitimizes slavery, tbh.

Slavery, rape, kidnapping.
Yeah it basically says that the law favors criminals over their victims.

That's pretty fucked.

[Camicon]

Grabbing things because the person who has enslaved, assaulted, threatened to kill, and raped you has told you to bring him money would be, for most people, instinct. "I need money from this guy who hasn't paid me. I know, lets grab his wallet and things with high street value".

That doesn't scream "premeditated" to me, nor does it make her account of events at all suspect.

How do you know he hadn't already paid her? It absolutely does make it suspect, as does the positioning of the body which indicates that the victim was sleeping when he was killed, not attempting to retrieve a weapon.

Because johns typically don't pay until afterwards, and by her account she killed him before he was done. Specifically, he had her on the bed and he reached over the side; fearing that he was reaching for a gun to kill her, given her past experiences and his earlier conversation with her, she shot him.

A child, abused in the worst possible ways, frightened out of her mind lashes out at a man who has rented her body for his physical pleasure? And then panics and steals things to placate the man who owns her when he finds out what she did? Clearly, this was the work of a criminal mastermind.

Clearly.

[Fartsniffage]

How can they sentence her to prison time for self-defense? As long as she is held in captivity, violence against a captor is self-defense. This ruling legitimizes slavery, tbh.

Slavery, rape, kidnapping.
Yeah it basically says that the law favors criminals over their victims.

That's pretty fucked.

She was armed and working the street. She had a lot of other options.

[Genivaria]

How do you know he hadn't already paid her? It absolutely does make it suspect, as does the positioning of the body which indicates that the victim was sleeping when he was killed, not attempting to retrieve a weapon.

Because johns typically don't pay until afterwards, and by her account she killed him before he was done. Specifically, he had her on the bed and he reached over the side; fearing that he was reaching for a gun to kill her, given her past experiences and his earlier conversation with her, she shot him.

A child, abused in the worst possible ways, frightened out of her mind lashes out at a man who has rented her body for his physical pleasure? And then panics and steals things to placate the man who owns her when he finds out what she did? Clearly, this was the work of a criminal mastermind.

Clearly.

Honestly even if it was pre-meditated (which it probably wasn't) I still don't understand how that invalidates self-defense.
"Little girl kills her rapist" is something that makes me clap whether it was planned or not.

[The of Japan]

How can they sentence her to prison time for self-defense? As long as she is held in captivity, violence against a captor is self-defense. This ruling legitimizes slavery, tbh.

Slavery is literally declared illegal by the 13th amendment

[Genivaria]

How can they sentence her to prison time for self-defense? As long as she is held in captivity, violence against a captor is self-defense. This ruling legitimizes slavery, tbh.

Slavery is literally declared illegal by the 13th amendment

*May not apply to anyone who is currently incarcerated.

[Cosmopoles]

How do you know he hadn't already paid her? It absolutely does make it suspect, as does the positioning of the body which indicates that the victim was sleeping when he was killed, not attempting to retrieve a weapon.

Because johns typically don't pay until afterwards, and by her account she killed him before he was done. Specifically, he had her on the bed and he reached over the side; fearing that he was reaching for a gun to kill her, given her past experiences and his earlier conversation with her, she shot him.

A child, abused in the worst possible ways, frightened out of her mind lashes out at a man who has rented her body for his physical pleasure? And then panics and steals things to placate the man who owns her when he finds out what she did? Clearly, this was the work of a criminal mastermind.

Clearly.

How do you know johns don't typically pay until afterwards? Don't forget the part where she re-positions the body to damage her own account of what happens, I believe that's also clearly what happens when you've been abused.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The fucker got what he deserved.

A bullet in his skull.

While the fucker was exactly a fucker and I guess very few tears shall be shed about him, what he deserved is actually of no consequence.
The actual points are
a) did she commit a crime?
b) if she did, was she in such a state of necessity that committing that crime was the only possible way for her to survive or to escape?
c) if the latter wasn't the case, should her sentence be especially lenient, given the circumstances?

A) No, it was self defense in a break out attempt from her captors home.

[Cosmopoles]

While the fucker was exactly a fucker and I guess very few tears shall be shed about him, what he deserved is actually of no consequence.
The actual points are
a) did she commit a crime?
b) if she did, was she in such a state of necessity that committing that crime was the only possible way for her to survive or to escape?
c) if the latter wasn't the case, should her sentence be especially lenient, given the circumstances?

A) No, it was self defense in a break out attempt from her captors home.

Even she doesn't claim this to be the case.

[Socialist Union Of Deutschland]

One gets punished for defending themselves against violence. This is pure pacifism.

[Camicon]

Because johns typically don't pay until afterwards, and by her account she killed him before he was done. Specifically, he had her on the bed and he reached over the side; fearing that he was reaching for a gun to kill her, given her past experiences and his earlier conversation with her, she shot him.

A child, abused in the worst possible ways, frightened out of her mind lashes out at a man who has rented her body for his physical pleasure? And then panics and steals things to placate the man who owns her when he finds out what she did? Clearly, this was the work of a criminal mastermind.

Clearly.

How do you know johns don't typically pay until afterwards? Don't forget the part where she re-positions the body to damage her own account of what happens, I believe that's also clearly what happens when you've been abused.

Do you typically pay for services that have not been rendered? I don't. Most people don't. Generally, that isn't how things work. And where are you getting that she repositioned the body (ignoring, for a moment, how ridiculous it is to suggest that a small, sixteen year-old girl could manhandle the corpse of a fully grown adult male)?

[Cosmopoles]

How do you know johns don't typically pay until afterwards? Don't forget the part where she re-positions the body to damage her own account of what happens, I believe that's also clearly what happens when you've been abused.

Do you typically pay for services that have not been rendered? I don't. Most people don't. Generally, that isn't how things work. And where are you getting that she repositioned the body (ignoring, for a moment, how ridiculous it is to suggest that a small, sixteen year-old girl could manhandle the corpse of a fully grown adult male)?

Sometimes I pay for services upfront - for example, the cinema or the train. You might almost say it depends on the service provided. For example, if I was providing an illegal service (i.e. one where payment for the service can't exactly be enforced through legal means) to customers who are in general physically stronger than me then yes, I would expect payment upfront and I think you will find that pretty much all sex workers expect payment first.

She didn't re-position the body, that's absolutely my point and I'm glad you find the idea ridiculous. You said "he reached over the side" but when the body was discovered his arms were under his body on the bed, partially interlocked. That's not what happens when you shoot someone in the head who is reaching over the side of the bed for something.

[Kennlind]

She's 30 years old. She lost her entire youth to sex traffickers and a corrupt, racist justice system. If this was a white girl, they'd be free and celebrated. Justice reform is needed now and this woman needs to be freed and compensated for the justice system taking away even more of her life.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

She's 30 years old. She lost her entire youth to sex traffickers and a corrupt, racist justice system. If this was a white girl, they'd be free and celebrated. Justice reform is needed now and this woman needs to be freed and compensated for the justice system taking away even more of her life.

Was she Black? And the captor White?

Not that it matters in a court of law, or anywhere else, but she was white.

[Ostroeuropa]

The death penalty on minors is cruel and unusual, life is no different.

[Camicon]

Do you typically pay for services that have not been rendered? I don't. Most people don't. Generally, that isn't how things work. And where are you getting that she repositioned the body (ignoring, for a moment, how ridiculous it is to suggest that a small, sixteen year-old girl could manhandle the corpse of a fully grown adult male)?

Sometimes I pay for services upfront - for example, the cinema or the train. You might almost say it depends on the service provided.

Things that run on schedules, and not whenever you want them to, require payment prior to their beginning. Shock.

A poor comparison to paying for sex.

For example, if I was providing an illegal service (i.e. one where payment for the service can't exactly be enforced through legal means) to customers who are in general physically stronger than me then yes, I would expect payment upfront and I think you will find that pretty much all sex workers expect payment first.

Because the scared, abused sixteen year-old child is going to demand payment from the pedophile who waxed poetic to her about his firearms and military service, before he rapes her. Right.

She didn't re-position the body, that's absolutely my point and I'm glad you find the idea ridiculous. You said "he reached over the side" but when the body was discovered his arms were under his body on the bed, partially interlocked. That's not what happens when you shoot someone in the head who is reaching over the side of the bed for something.

Because it's not like he could have leaned back over the bed before she shot him. That would require moving a few inches to the side!

You know, I'd like to see where you're getting all these crime scene details from, because Google isn't pointing me to any news stories with them.

[San Lumen]

Source

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — A child sex slave in Nashville is behind bars for killing the man who used her.
Cyntoia Brown was physically, sexually and verbally abused. The Department of Corrections declined FOX 17 News' request to interview her, but Filmmaker Dan Birman shared video from his seven years documenting Cyntoia Brown's case.
In the film, Brown explains her abuse and how it made her paranoid. Brown was convicted of murder for killing a Nashville realtor who'd bought her for sex.
“She was picked up by a 43 year old man.” Birman said. “Cyntoia was 16 years old.”
Birman's documentary gave voice to her childhood horror.
“We started the conversation,” Birman said. "This is a young girl who's at the tail end of three generations of violence against women."
Cyntoia, her grandmother, and mother were all raped.
“She had no chance,” Birman said.
In her 2004 trial, Brown explained how there was always a gun being pointed at her. She was being hit, choked and dragged. Derri Smith, the Founder of End Slavery TN, shared the perspective.
“She did kill someone," Smith said. "She deeply regrets it, but she was a child and she was being exploited."
Also in her trial, Brown testified she was fearful of the man, 'Mr. Allen,' who’d picked her up.
“He was a sharp shooter in the Army. I'm sitting here thinking if he does something, what am I going to do?” - Cyntonia
Further affecting impulse control, her mother testified drinking at least a fifth a day while pregnant with Cyntoia. On appeal, her attorneys were able to show she suffered from Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder, which affected her brain and showed up on medical brain scans.
“She was being sex trafficked. The pimp's name was Kutthroat.” - Kathryn Sinback, Davidson Co. Juvenile Court Administrator
The jury sentenced Brown under the law at the time giving her life in prison. She’d only be eligible for parole is after serving 51 years. She would be 67.
Birman's film on Cyntoia helped change Tennessee law for children like her in 2011. Now anyone 18 or younger can't even be charged with prostitution.
“[There's] no such thing as a child prostitute or a teen prostitute,” Smith said. "I think we've had to have a cultural mind shift."
If Brown's case was heard today, the court would treat her as a child human trafficking victim.
Though Birman is not involved, there are now plenty who want her set free. It’s a very dedicated group of people working on a clemency campaign for Cyntoia.
They want the Governor and the Parole Board to really look at the unique factors of her case. Unique factors like the work she's done behind bars for years, long before anyone floated the idea of clemency.
FOX 17 News was provided Cyntoia's graduation pictures from Lipscomb University for an Associates Degree. She is now working on her Bachelors while working side-by-side with the courts and the Juvenile Justice system as an unpaid consultant. She’s a friend of the system.
“I myself can create opportunities to help people [behind bars],” Brown said.
Brown is hoping for a second chance.
"She has used her experience to be able to make things better, juvenile justice, human trafficking and safety and security for youth and so I think what she has to offer is invaluable," Sickback said.

She kills her captor who was rapeing her.


I'm sorry, but how can you sentience someone for doing this in self defense? And for killing someone who was human filth.

But what do you think NSG?

This is completely absurd. It one way to advocate murder but this man was keeping her as a slave and a overall horrible person. There was absolutely no reason for her to be charged with life in prison. if was on the jury I would have refused to convict even if I was the lone person and forced a mistrial.

[Saiwania]

Because johns typically don't pay until afterwards, and by her account she killed him before he was done. Specifically, he had her on the bed and he reached over the side; fearing that he was reaching for a gun to kill her, given her past experiences and his earlier conversation with her, she shot him.

I would think that Johns do pay or at least have to. Prostitution is a big business on the Black market (if illegal), the entire point of a pimp is to protect the woman from bad clients and if a client doesn't pay upfront or halfway as a retainer before service- generally speaking Johns would get beat up pretty badly or worse. Pimps definitely want their cut, and can be rather ruthless in ensuring that both them and their prostitute gets paid.

[Fartsniffage]

Source

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — A child sex slave in Nashville is behind bars for killing the man who used her.
Cyntoia Brown was physically, sexually and verbally abused. The Department of Corrections declined FOX 17 News' request to interview her, but Filmmaker Dan Birman shared video from his seven years documenting Cyntoia Brown's case.
In the film, Brown explains her abuse and how it made her paranoid. Brown was convicted of murder for killing a Nashville realtor who'd bought her for sex.
“She was picked up by a 43 year old man.” Birman said. “Cyntoia was 16 years old.”
Birman's documentary gave voice to her childhood horror.
“We started the conversation,” Birman said. "This is a young girl who's at the tail end of three generations of violence against women."
Cyntoia, her grandmother, and mother were all raped.
“She had no chance,” Birman said.
In her 2004 trial, Brown explained how there was always a gun being pointed at her. She was being hit, choked and dragged. Derri Smith, the Founder of End Slavery TN, shared the perspective.
“She did kill someone," Smith said. "She deeply regrets it, but she was a child and she was being exploited."
Also in her trial, Brown testified she was fearful of the man, 'Mr. Allen,' who’d picked her up.
“He was a sharp shooter in the Army. I'm sitting here thinking if he does something, what am I going to do?” - Cyntonia
Further affecting impulse control, her mother testified drinking at least a fifth a day while pregnant with Cyntoia. On appeal, her attorneys were able to show she suffered from Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder, which affected her brain and showed up on medical brain scans.
“She was being sex trafficked. The pimp's name was Kutthroat.” - Kathryn Sinback, Davidson Co. Juvenile Court Administrator
The jury sentenced Brown under the law at the time giving her life in prison. She’d only be eligible for parole is after serving 51 years. She would be 67.
Birman's film on Cyntoia helped change Tennessee law for children like her in 2011. Now anyone 18 or younger can't even be charged with prostitution.
“[There's] no such thing as a child prostitute or a teen prostitute,” Smith said. "I think we've had to have a cultural mind shift."
If Brown's case was heard today, the court would treat her as a child human trafficking victim.
Though Birman is not involved, there are now plenty who want her set free. It’s a very dedicated group of people working on a clemency campaign for Cyntoia.
They want the Governor and the Parole Board to really look at the unique factors of her case. Unique factors like the work she's done behind bars for years, long before anyone floated the idea of clemency.
FOX 17 News was provided Cyntoia's graduation pictures from Lipscomb University for an Associates Degree. She is now working on her Bachelors while working side-by-side with the courts and the Juvenile Justice system as an unpaid consultant. She’s a friend of the system.
“I myself can create opportunities to help people [behind bars],” Brown said.
Brown is hoping for a second chance.
"She has used her experience to be able to make things better, juvenile justice, human trafficking and safety and security for youth and so I think what she has to offer is invaluable," Sickback said.

She kills her captor who was rapeing her.


I'm sorry, but how can you sentience someone for doing this in self defense? And for killing someone who was human filth.

But what do you think NSG?

This is completely absurd. It one way to advocate murder but this man was keeping her as a slave and a overall horrible person. There was absolutely no reason for her to be charged with life in prison. if was on the jury I would have refused to convict even if I was the lone person and forced a mistrial.

The person she killed wasn't her pimp, it was a client.

[San Lumen]

This is completely absurd. It one way to advocate murder but this man was keeping her as a slave and a overall horrible person. There was absolutely no reason for her to be charged with life in prison. if was on the jury I would have refused to convict even if I was the lone person and forced a mistrial.

The person she killed wasn't her pimp, it was a client.

he was still abusing her and the article doesn't give any indiction he was a client.

[Fartsniffage]

The person she killed wasn't her pimp, it was a client.

he was still abusing her and the article doesn't give any indiction he was a client.

Try reading more articles.

[Costa Fierro]

She killed someone that wasn't an immediate threat, it was premeditated, ergo, according to the law she rightly should be behind bars. There's no to ways about it. If you don't want to be imprisoned, don't kill someone. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter what circumstances that lead her to kill, the fact is, she didn't have to, she could have escaped and it would have been the man behind bars, not her.