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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:36 am

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — A child sex slave in Nashville is behind bars for killing the man who used her.
Cyntoia Brown was physically, sexually and verbally abused. The Department of Corrections declined FOX 17 News' request to interview her, but Filmmaker Dan Birman shared video from his seven years documenting Cyntoia Brown's case.
In the film, Brown explains her abuse and how it made her paranoid. Brown was convicted of murder for killing a Nashville realtor who'd bought her for sex.
“She was picked up by a 43 year old man.” Birman said. “Cyntoia was 16 years old.”
Birman's documentary gave voice to her childhood horror.
“We started the conversation,” Birman said. "This is a young girl who's at the tail end of three generations of violence against women."
Cyntoia, her grandmother, and mother were all raped.
“She had no chance,” Birman said.
In her 2004 trial, Brown explained how there was always a gun being pointed at her. She was being hit, choked and dragged. Derri Smith, the Founder of End Slavery TN, shared the perspective.
“She did kill someone," Smith said. "She deeply regrets it, but she was a child and she was being exploited."
Also in her trial, Brown testified she was fearful of the man, 'Mr. Allen,' who’d picked her up.
“He was a sharp shooter in the Army. I'm sitting here thinking if he does something, what am I going to do?” - Cyntonia
Further affecting impulse control, her mother testified drinking at least a fifth a day while pregnant with Cyntoia. On appeal, her attorneys were able to show she suffered from Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder, which affected her brain and showed up on medical brain scans.
“She was being sex trafficked. The pimp's name was Kutthroat.” - Kathryn Sinback, Davidson Co. Juvenile Court Administrator
The jury sentenced Brown under the law at the time giving her life in prison. She’d only be eligible for parole is after serving 51 years. She would be 67.
Birman's film on Cyntoia helped change Tennessee law for children like her in 2011. Now anyone 18 or younger can't even be charged with prostitution.
“[There's] no such thing as a child prostitute or a teen prostitute,” Smith said. "I think we've had to have a cultural mind shift."
If Brown's case was heard today, the court would treat her as a child human trafficking victim.
Though Birman is not involved, there are now plenty who want her set free. It’s a very dedicated group of people working on a clemency campaign for Cyntoia.
They want the Governor and the Parole Board to really look at the unique factors of her case. Unique factors like the work she's done behind bars for years, long before anyone floated the idea of clemency.
FOX 17 News was provided Cyntoia's graduation pictures from Lipscomb University for an Associates Degree. She is now working on her Bachelors while working side-by-side with the courts and the Juvenile Justice system as an unpaid consultant. She’s a friend of the system.
“I myself can create opportunities to help people [behind bars],” Brown said.
Brown is hoping for a second chance.
"She has used her experience to be able to make things better, juvenile justice, human trafficking and safety and security for youth and so I think what she has to offer is invaluable," Sickback said.


She kills her captor who was rapeing her.


I'm sorry, but how can you sentience someone for doing this in self defense? And for killing someone who was human filth.

But what do you think NSG?

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:43 am

I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:50 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:52 am

Granting her clemency would make sense, given the circumstance.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:53 am

Galloism wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


He still kidnapped her and used her.

In any case, she should be rewarded for being a hero.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:57 am

Galloism wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


While I understand that under the color of law, if he were asleep he posed no threat. I myself even if that were the case I still would have voted to acquit, the years of abuse, captivity, enslavement, etc. to me is justified in ending such a tyrannical endeavor.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:57 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


He still kidnapped her and used her.

In any case, she should be rewarded for being a hero.

No, self-defense requires an immediate threat. A (hypothetical) sleeping person is not an immediate threat.

Again, I'd have to see the exact facts which you haven't provided, but in either case, life is excessive.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:58 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


While I understand that under the color of law, if he were asleep he posed no threat. I myself even if that were the case I still would have voted to acquit, the years of abuse, captivity, enslavement, etc. to me is justified in ending such a tyrannical endeavor.

That tyrannical endeavor could have been ended by contacting the police as well (presuming she had that as an option, which is where the "immediate threat" part comes in).
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:06 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

This^

How the fuck is it right to punish someone for killing the person who was keeping them caged like a fucking animal and raping them? Ugh, our justice system is useless.
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We'll that's absurd.
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Postby Cosmopoles » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:25 am

Although she is obviously a victim of some extremely serious abuse, that doesn't give her the right to execute a man in his sleep who she willingly went home with after lying about her age, killing and then robbing. Its ridiculous to refer to him as her "captor".

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:25 am

Galloism wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
He still kidnapped her and used her.

In any case, she should be rewarded for being a hero.

No, self-defense requires an immediate threat. A (hypothetical) sleeping person is not an immediate threat.

Again, I'd have to see the exact facts which you haven't provided, but in either case, life is excessive.


Who raped her. He was going to rape her again.

And if she didn't kill him, he was going to kidnap and rape again.

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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Galloism wrote:No, self-defense requires an immediate threat. A (hypothetical) sleeping person is not an immediate threat.

Again, I'd have to see the exact facts which you haven't provided, but in either case, life is excessive.


Who raped her. He was going to rape her again.

And if she didn't kill him, he was going to kidnap and rape again.

I agree. Hell, I would think the "Battered Woman" laws would kick in here. From a legal stand point, I can see that there is an imminent threat. When he wakes up, it will certainly continue. She is should be pardoned.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Galloism wrote:No, self-defense requires an immediate threat. A (hypothetical) sleeping person is not an immediate threat.

Again, I'd have to see the exact facts which you haven't provided, but in either case, life is excessive.


Who raped her. He was going to rape her again.

And if she didn't kill him, he was going to kidnap and rape again.

To which the correct response, if danger is not immediate, is to go to the police. That's what they're there for.

I'm sure we all sympathize, and a life sentence is definitely excessive, but taking maters into your own hands like that subverts justice.
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Postby Cosmopoles » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:41 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Galloism wrote:No, self-defense requires an immediate threat. A (hypothetical) sleeping person is not an immediate threat.

Again, I'd have to see the exact facts which you haven't provided, but in either case, life is excessive.


Who raped her. He was going to rape her again.

And if she didn't kill him, he was going to kidnap and rape again.


I've not seen anything in her own statements that indicate she didn't willingly go with the man she killed. As far as I'm aware she denies having any sex with him (consensual or not, but also disputed by the prosecution) and that she shot him because he started acting oddly, which also doesn't tie out with the forensic evidence.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:41 am

Galloism wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


The child who went home with Mr Allen that night had been repeatedly raped and beaten. She was on the streets by order of her boyfriend, a violent, drug-addled pimp named "Kutthroat" who, she said, verbally abused her and made her strip at gunpoint. He had demanded that she make him some money.
The client who would become Cyntoia's victim showed her his gun collection, telling her he was a former Army sharpshooter. It made her nervous, she noted later.
The teenager ate dinner with him, watched some TV, and got into his bed. "He grabbed me in-between my legs - he just grabbed it real hard," she told the trial court. "I'm thinking he's going to hit me or do something like it..."
Then Allen turned over and reached to the side of the bed. Cyntoia said she panicked, thinking he was reaching for a gun. Convinced she was about to die, she said, she shot him in the head with a .40-calibre handgun that Kutthroat had given her.

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Galloism wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


Depends on the jurisdiction, but murder can carry a mandatory life sentence with the minimum term being at the judge's discretion to a degree.
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Vassenor wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


Depends on the jurisdiction, but murder can carry a mandatory life sentence with the minimum term being at the judge's discretion to a degree.


She was found guilty of of first-degree premeditated murder, first-degree felony murder, and aggravated robbery.

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Galloism wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself, if I were on the jury would have voted to acquit the woman. I'm a firm believer that killing one's captor is justified.

I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.

Basically this.

I guess this sentence is going to be overturned in appeal. Or at least I hope so.
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Postby Methodological Individualism » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:49 am

Expecting a rational assessment of self-defense from a enslaved victim of sexual abuse, regarding the immediacy of the threat and such, is probably somewhat unreasonable.

Did she legally, or morally, commit a crime? Probably. Given the apparent facts of the case, is life imprisonment way, way, way over the top? Certainly.

I might be inclined to think that a slaver makes a choice concerning the value of its own life at the moment it decides to own a slave, but I acknowledge that the law may (with perfectly good reasons) feel differently.

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Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, you'd have to look at the facts of the exact event. If she shot him while he was asleep for instance, he is no threat at that time, and she very well could have walked out of the building and flagged down any police car. That would be murder.

If he was awake and threatening to rape her, then yeah - killing him is certainly justified.

I don't know the facts, but given the circumstances "life in prison" actually seems like an overreaction in either case. The former would deserve some kind of punishment, while the latter deserves no punishment at all because it's not even a wrong act. However, life is rather severe in either case.


The child who went home with Mr Allen that night had been repeatedly raped and beaten. She was on the streets by order of her boyfriend, a violent, drug-addled pimp named "Kutthroat" who, she said, verbally abused her and made her strip at gunpoint. He had demanded that she make him some money.
The client who would become Cyntoia's victim showed her his gun collection, telling her he was a former Army sharpshooter. It made her nervous, she noted later.
The teenager ate dinner with him, watched some TV, and got into his bed. "He grabbed me in-between my legs - he just grabbed it real hard," she told the trial court. "I'm thinking he's going to hit me or do something like it..."
Then Allen turned over and reached to the side of the bed. Cyntoia said she panicked, thinking he was reaching for a gun. Convinced she was about to die, she said, she shot him in the head with a .40-calibre handgun that Kutthroat had given her.


Does self-defence in the US rely on a subject-objective test for the jury? Because I'm getting the suspicion the jury decided (for whatever reason) to fail her on the objective even though it seems perfectly reasonable subjectively.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:52 am

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Vassenor wrote:
Depends on the jurisdiction, but murder can carry a mandatory life sentence with the minimum term being at the judge's discretion to a degree.


She was found guilty of of first-degree premeditated murder, first-degree felony murder, and aggravated robbery.


She was thought to be sound of mind ? Seriously ?
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Postby Tokora » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:52 am

It's the south so I can't say I'm surprised.

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Tokora wrote:It's the south so I can't say I'm surprised.

Tennessee isn't really that South. Also, is that really needed?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:53 am

Also this is about a case from thirteen years ago. Why is it coming up now?
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