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Postby The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:37 am

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The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi wrote:I can't ever wrap my head around this. What's the point in repealing Net Neutrality? ISPs like Comcast and At&t earn the tens of millions of dollars possibly on a day-to-day basis. Hell, even as we speak. From what I can understand, this is all about money.

What needs to happen is for AT&T to block Fox News for the good of their subscribers.

... then watch Net Neutrality come flying back into place with amazing fury.


Haha, I do hope that happens. Thanks for the chuckle man.
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FCC rejects NY AG's probe into net neutrality comments

If I didn't know better I'd say they have something to hide.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:FCC rejects NY AG's probe into net neutrality comments

If I didn't know better I'd say they have something to hide.


Ajit Pai's FCC will reject any and all probes and questions into anything regarding net neutrality since they seem pretty decided on what they're gonna do at the vote next week. They've been callous towards anything pro-NN since the beginning.
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Postby Independant Nations and Guilds » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:34 am

Vassenor wrote:FCC rejects NY AG's probe into net neutrality comments

If I didn't know better I'd say they have something to hide.


Of course they do.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:54 am

Ironically, the FCC's attempt to repeal net neutrality is called the "Internet Freedom Act". More like "Internet Freedom For ISPs To Fuck With Your Internet Act". Seriously, America, freedom for corporations to do what they want is NOT freedom for the people to do anything that they want and is legal

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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:55 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Vassenor wrote:FCC rejects NY AG's probe into net neutrality comments

If I didn't know better I'd say they have something to hide.


Ajit Pai's FCC will reject any and all probes and questions into anything regarding net neutrality since they seem pretty decided on what they're gonna do at the vote next week. They've been callous towards anything pro-NN since the beginning.

Will this affect me in the UK?

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Postby Camicon » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:01 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Ajit Pai's FCC will reject any and all probes and questions into anything regarding net neutrality since they seem pretty decided on what they're gonna do at the vote next week. They've been callous towards anything pro-NN since the beginning.

Will this affect me in the UK?

Do American ISP's operate in the UK, subject to American domestic law?
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Postby Naval Monte » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:04 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Ajit Pai's FCC will reject any and all probes and questions into anything regarding net neutrality since they seem pretty decided on what they're gonna do at the vote next week. They've been callous towards anything pro-NN since the beginning.

Will this affect me in the UK?


No. But it may or may not give some politicians ideas to do something similar.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:05 am

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Will this affect me in the UK?

Do American ISP's operate in the UK, subject to American domestic law?

I was asking about indirect effects as well. Btw, I am acutely aware that I use BT.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:12 pm

I've come across some brand new information from the telecom industry and the practices that have been recorded over the years and even though there might be some downsides, I've now become sufficiently satisfied with pro-net neutrality being the right position to take overall. In light of this, I'm now in favor of net neutrality.

I don't think Ajit Pai can be stopped from getting rid of it, but if people want it reestablished, I think their best bet is to simply get Democrats elected. All of the incumbents from both major parties that have donor or corporate sympathies getting voted out, that all definitely matters. Actual progressives and populists should be getting power across the board. We'd see quite a lot of interesting movement finally happen.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:34 pm

Saiwania wrote:I've come across some brand new information from the telecom industry and the practices that have been recorded over the years and even though there might be some downsides, I've now become sufficiently satisfied with pro-net neutrality being the right position to take overall. In light of this, I'm now in favor of net neutrality.

I don't think Ajit Pai can be stopped from getting rid of it, but if people want it reestablished, I think their best bet is to simply get Democrats elected. All of the incumbents from both major parties that have donor or corporate sympathies getting voted out, that all definitely matters. Actual progressives and populists should be getting power across the board. We'd see quite a lot of interesting movement finally happen.

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Postby Camicon » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:36 pm

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Saiwania wrote:I've come across some brand new information from the telecom industry and the practices that have been recorded over the years and even though there might be some downsides, I've now become sufficiently satisfied with pro-net neutrality being the right position to take overall. In light of this, I'm now in favor of net neutrality.

I don't think Ajit Pai can be stopped from getting rid of it, but if people want it reestablished, I think their best bet is to simply get Democrats elected. All of the incumbents from both major parties that have donor or corporate sympathies getting voted out, that all definitely matters. Actual progressives and populists should be getting power across the board. We'd see quite a lot of interesting movement finally happen.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Naval Monte wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Will this affect me in the UK?


No. But it may or may not give some politicians ideas to do something similar.

Well, if the UK doesn't have any Ajit Pais, they should be good.
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Galloism wrote:Who are you and what have you done with Saiwania?


My preferred form of government is still Fascism but not the type that most people think of so far as dictatorships go. For a while now, I've always had the desire for triangulation where I cherry pick what I like from the Left and Right of politics and combine it into one ideology.

If I had to choose, I think I'm an economic liberal but more of a social conservative. Even though I disagree with committing myself to being purely a far-left or far-right partisan. There is plenty that both do that I can't get behind. I don't want immigration for example. I don't want supply side economics. I can't comprehensively explain where I stand on everything, but people should get the idea.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:46 pm

Galloism wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I've come across some brand new information from the telecom industry and the practices that have been recorded over the years and even though there might be some downsides, I've now become sufficiently satisfied with pro-net neutrality being the right position to take overall. In light of this, I'm now in favor of net neutrality.

I don't think Ajit Pai can be stopped from getting rid of it, but if people want it reestablished, I think their best bet is to simply get Democrats elected. All of the incumbents from both major parties that have donor or corporate sympathies getting voted out, that all definitely matters. Actual progressives and populists should be getting power across the board. We'd see quite a lot of interesting movement finally happen.

Who are you and what have you done with Saiwania?


Saiwania does this all the time. Unlike other posters, he's the sort of person who can change his mind if evidence is shown to him that supports the opposite view he holds.

That said, I am also pro-net neutrality, I just think the process would be better served by passing legislation that updates the Telecom Act of 1996 instead of lumping it under Title II. Title II is overly broad, and the telecom companies would end up relying solely on the political whim of the electorate to not see themselves fucked.
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Galloism wrote:Who are you and what have you done with Saiwania?


My preferred form of government is still Fascism but not the type that most people think of so far as dictatorships go. For a while now, I've always had the desire for triangulation where I cherry pick what I like from the Left and Right of politics and combine it into one ideology.

If I had to choose, I think I'm an economic liberal but more of a social conservative. Even though I disagree with committing myself to being purely a far-left or far-right partisan. There is plenty that both do that I can't get behind. I don't want immigration for example. I don't want supply side economics. I can't comprehensively explain where I stand on everything, but people should get the idea.


We all shift and ebb into our beliefs in all of those areas.

You're not the only one who holds disparate ideas as to how society and government should run tbh.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:50 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Galloism wrote:Who are you and what have you done with Saiwania?


Saiwania does this all the time. Unlike other posters, he's the sort of person who can change his mind if evidence is shown to him that supports the opposite view he holds.

That said, I am also pro-net neutrality, I just think the process would be better served by passing legislation that updates the Telecom Act of 1996 instead of lumping it under Title II. Title II is overly broad, and the telecom companies would end up relying solely on the political whim of the electorate to not see themselves fucked.

Agreed with that. Good net neutrality legislation is needed.

Good thing we have a reasonable thoughtful forward thinking Congress to help with that.
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When you learn your ISP still has to follow the rules until next September;

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Dysmastan wrote:When you learn your ISP still has to follow the rules until next September;



I suppose that'll give us some time to get it reinstated then... but if we don't...
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Postby Squeeheart » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:48 am

Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:
Dysmastan wrote:When you learn your ISP still has to follow the rules until next September;



I suppose that'll give us some time to get it reinstated then... but if we don't...

ING is referring to their ISP. That might not be the same for others.

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Neutral, certainly don't agree with the ISP slowing websites down or outright banning them, but I don't exactly agree with the same speed for every website idea.
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Holy Tedalonia wrote:Neutral, certainly don't agree with the ISP slowing websites down or outright banning them, but I don't exactly agree with the same speed for every website idea.


I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "the same speed for every website idea" here.
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Holy Tedalonia wrote:Neutral, certainly don't agree with the ISP slowing websites down or outright banning them, but I don't exactly agree with the same speed for every website idea.


I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "the same speed for every website idea" here.

Same internet speed for each and every website which is part of internet nuetrality.
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Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "the same speed for every website idea" here.

Same internet speed for each and every website which is part of internet nuetrality.


When has anyone actually called for that rather than just "no artificial slowdowns"?
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Holy Tedalonia wrote:Same internet speed for each and every website which is part of internet nuetrality.


When has anyone actually called for that rather than just "no artificial slowdowns"?

It already exists in net neutrality which is why I have a problem with neat nuetrality. I rather just make companies create a minimal internet speed limit, so that they can not go below the speed they advertised.
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