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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:46 pm

Tevehas wrote:
Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Except they won't, because once again they hold a monopoly over a utility product.


There's always satellite internet and DSL if you are really adamant about sticking it to them. Or just not having internet at all. Even then, I already told you why they have a monopoly: Small towns charge out the ass for people to put up wire on their poles, and this ensures no small ISP's can start in their markets. You can fix this by contacting your local representatives (City Council, Mayor, Etc.) but it's not Comcast's fault the government is anti-business.

And then Comcast hands money to the reps so they keep the charges, you act like small local governments can't be bribed?
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Postby Independant Nations and Guilds » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:08 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Tevehas wrote:
There's always satellite internet and DSL if you are really adamant about sticking it to them. Or just not having internet at all. Even then, I already told you why they have a monopoly: Small towns charge out the ass for people to put up wire on their poles, and this ensures no small ISP's can start in their markets. You can fix this by contacting your local representatives (City Council, Mayor, Etc.) but it's not Comcast's fault the government is anti-business.

And then Comcast hands money to the reps so they keep the charges, you act like small local governments can't be bribed?


Isn't bribery a good chunk of what started this mess to begin with?
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Postby Naval Monte » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:12 pm

Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:And then Comcast hands money to the reps so they keep the charges, you act like small local governments can't be bribed?


Isn't bribery a good chunk of what started this mess to begin with?


It is since the current head of the FCC was not only a former employee of Version but is most likeky being bribed by them.
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Postby Camicon » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:44 pm

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Camicon wrote:You mean legitimacy. Every state government has the authority. And democratic states also have the legitimacy, as they derive their authority from the electorate.

No, I mean authority.

As in, moral authority (the only LEGITIMATE kind - contrary to your statement NO state government has ANY authority).

Moral authority of course being derived from individual rights, which are derived from human nature, and can therefore only be denied by those who are in denial of reality and thereby their own rights aka subhuman Statists.

Contrary to what you may think, words have generally agreed upon meanings. You don't get to redefine what "authority" means, as it pertains to a state's capacity to do things, just to make your (incorrect) rhetoric sound more punchy.
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Postby Archysall » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:26 am

Tevehas wrote:
Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Except they won't, because once again they hold a monopoly over a utility product.


There's always satellite internet and DSL if you are really adamant about sticking it to them. Or just not having internet at all. Even then, I already told you why they have a monopoly: Small towns charge out the ass for people to put up wire on their poles, and this ensures no small ISP's can start in their markets. You can fix this by contacting your local representatives (City Council, Mayor, Etc.) but it's not Comcast's fault the government is anti-business.

You can fuck right off if you think satellite is any replacement for wired connections. I have satellite.
How does a 10GB data limit sound? and if you pass it, enjoy your 16kbps connection.
For real, the fact that you think anyone would willingly use this hot garbage is as ridiculous as the "anarchist" poster above trying to redefine the moral authority a state has.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:30 am

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:No one has the authority to dictate what ISPs can or cannot do.


Why not?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:33 am

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:No one has the authority to dictate what ISPs can or cannot do.

Says who?
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Postby Independant Nations and Guilds » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:22 am

Archysall wrote:
Tevehas wrote:
There's always satellite internet and DSL if you are really adamant about sticking it to them. Or just not having internet at all. Even then, I already told you why they have a monopoly: Small towns charge out the ass for people to put up wire on their poles, and this ensures no small ISP's can start in their markets. You can fix this by contacting your local representatives (City Council, Mayor, Etc.) but it's not Comcast's fault the government is anti-business.

You can fuck right off if you think satellite is any replacement for wired connections. I have satellite.
How does a 10GB data limit sound? and if you pass it, enjoy your 16kbps connection.
For real, the fact that you think anyone would willingly use this hot garbage is as ridiculous as the "anarchist" poster above trying to redefine the moral authority a state has.


I'm inclined to agree with you, as unfortunate as the reality is.

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FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:No one has the authority to dictate what ISPs can or cannot do.

Says who?


The poster, apparently. Doesn't mean I agree with them.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:13 am

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Every country has rules on what they can do.

And rules are not the same thing as authority.

Tell that to the foLKS running thr great firewall of china.
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:30 am

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Every country has rules on what they can do.

And rules are not the same thing as authority.

Indeed. Authority comes from the power to enforce your rules on others against their will.

Ethel mermania wrote:
FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:And rules are not the same thing as authority.

Tell that to the foLKS running thr great firewall of china.

He is right though. Just having rules in place does not give you any real authority. It's only when you have the power and will to force those rules upon others that you have authority.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:35 am

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:
Camicon wrote:You mean legitimacy. Every state government has the authority. And democratic states also have the legitimacy, as they derive their authority from the electorate.

No, I mean authority.

As in, moral authority (the only LEGITIMATE kind - contrary to your statement NO state government has ANY authority).

Moral authority of course being derived from individual rights, which are derived from human nature, and can therefore only be denied by those who are in denial of reality and thereby their own rights aka subhuman Statists.


This makes very little sense. Why do you get to decide the only legitimate sort of authority, and whom gains access to it?

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Postby Purpelia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:35 am

Practical morality is just a set of rules enforced on others through peer pressure.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:38 am

Purpelia wrote:
FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:And rules are not the same thing as authority.

Indeed. Authority comes from the power to enforce your rules on others against their will.

Ethel mermania wrote:Tell that to the foLKS running thr great firewall of china.

He is right though. Just having rules in place does not give you any real authority. It's only when you have the power and will to force those rules upon others that you have authority.


Much like the folks running the great firewall of china. And that would include the good people of ICANN. Even. iSP's on their network have the authority to set pricing and bandwidth availability. The idea that there is no "authority" on the internet is absurd.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:46 am

Didn't Google say they supported net neutrality?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amaz ... SKBN1DZ37O


Bwahahahahahaha
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Postby Tananat » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:07 am

Ethel mermania wrote:Didn't Google say they supported net neutrality?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amaz ... SKBN1DZ37O


Bwahahahahahaha

This has nothing to do with net neutrality.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:25 am

Tananat wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Didn't Google say they supported net neutrality?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amaz ... SKBN1DZ37O


Bwahahahahahaha

This has nothing to do with net neutrality.

Blocking an internet application from devices made by. Competing manufacturer isn't a violation of net netruality?

I don't think you understand what net neutrality means.
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Postby The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:20 am

Naval Monte wrote:
FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:bumping


And it was said before that in the past decades that was the case but right now it has slowly become a utility that most need. The rules for the Internet can use an update sure but not with how the Republicans want because if we just let ISPs do whatever they want they will screw over the consumer just to squzze every last drop of money from our wallets and bank accounts,


You do know its a Bipartisan issue and not all the Republicans fault right? Hell in Minnesota where I live several of our democratic congressmen are in favor of repealing it. People from all sides of the isle support it and go against it.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:23 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Tananat wrote:This has nothing to do with net neutrality.

Blocking an internet application from devices made by. Competing manufacturer isn't a violation of net netruality?

I don't think you understand what net neutrality means.

Does it violate net neutrality for me not to be able to play The Last Of Us on PC?

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote: Blocking an internet application from devices made by. Competing manufacturer isn't a violation of net netruality?

I don't think you understand what net neutrality means.

Does it violate net neutrality for me not to be able to play The Last Of Us on PC?

To do so is a violation of the human right to enjoy a good story, so rioting in the streets s the only suitable answer.
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Postby Stronk Russian States » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:29 am

Sovaal wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Does it violate net neutrality for me not to be able to play The Last Of Us on PC?

To do so is a violation of the human right to enjoy a good story, so rioting in the streets s the only suitable answer.

To be honest.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote: Blocking an internet application from devices made by. Competing manufacturer isn't a violation of net netruality?

I don't think you understand what net neutrality means.

Does it violate net neutrality for me not to be able to play The Last Of Us on PC?


No, that is a game designed for a platform. If Sony didn't let you browse the nintendo website from the ps4, web browser that would be a violation of net neutrality .
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:41 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Does it violate net neutrality for me not to be able to play The Last Of Us on PC?


No, that is a game designed for a platform. If Sony didn't let you browse the nintendo website from the ps4, web browser that would be a violation of net neutrality .

Google isn't blocking Amazon devices from accessing the YouTube website. It's no longer supporting the YouTube app on two Amazon devices.
[Amazon] said it hoped to resolve the issue with Google as soon as possible but customers could access YouTube through the internet - not an app - on the devices in the meantime.

This is about being able to use software on certain machines, not about internet access.

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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:43 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Tananat wrote:This has nothing to do with net neutrality.

Blocking an internet application from devices made by. Competing manufacturer isn't a violation of net netruality?

I don't think you understand what net neutrality means.

Its no more violating net neutrality than saying "this website doesn't support internet explorer" is violating net neutrality.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
No, that is a game designed for a platform. If Sony didn't let you browse the nintendo website from the ps4, web browser that would be a violation of net neutrality .

Google isn't blocking Amazon devices from accessing the YouTube website. It's no longer supporting the YouTube app on two Amazon devices.
[Amazon] said it hoped to resolve the issue with Google as soon as possible but customers could access YouTube through the internet - not an app - on the devices in the meantime.

This is about being able to use software on certain machines, not about internet access.


I sit corrected.
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:09 am

Tevehas wrote:Or just not having internet at all.


As I explained previously, not an option these days. Modern computers and many other devices pretty much require an internet connection to function properly.
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