FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[The Black Forrest]

The Internet is a luxury. It is a privilege and not a right. Those are not your lines, not your infrastructure, not your hosts. It is your ISP's property and they have a right to use it as they see fit.

Horseshit. Libraries were a luxury; then common place and now getting replaced by the Net

The fact the Net is getting used more and more in schools. It's a requirement in order to succeed.

The ISPs fucked up when they thought the money was all infrastructure. Late to the game they are trying to change the rules.

[Salandriagado]

It supports the free competition of businesses that are based on the internet by forcing internet providers to treat them all the same.

Net neutrality doesn't regulate the internet, it regulates internet providers.

Did the internet providers ever treat any info differently? This is about internet SPEEDS.

Yes. You were literally just given an example.

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

The Internet is a luxury. It is a privilege and not a right. Those are not your lines, not your infrastructure, not your hosts. It is your ISP's property and they have a right to use it as they see fit.

Horseshit. As many others have pointed out, the Internet may have been a luxury several decades ago, but it has become the necessary infrastructure for the information era. There are several companies that exist only online. There is a great deal of software that requires the internet to function. The change in the internet from luxury to necessary infrastructure utility may have been slow, but it definitely happened. I'm tired of politicians who know nothing about the internet trying to make and remove rules for it.

[The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi]

I can't ever wrap my head around this. What's the point in repealing Net Neutrality? ISPs like Comcast and At&t earn the tens of millions of dollars possibly on a day-to-day basis. Hell, even as we speak. From what I can understand, this is all about money.

[Galloism]

I can't ever wrap my head around this. What's the point in repealing Net Neutrality? ISPs like Comcast and At&t earn the tens of millions of dollars possibly on a day-to-day basis. Hell, even as we speak. From what I can understand, this is all about money.

What needs to happen is for AT&T to block Fox News for the good of their subscribers.

... then watch Net Neutrality come flying back into place with amazing fury.

[Republic of Stephen]

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips ... cycle=2016

Here is a neat thing with the people Comcast gave money to in 2016.

[The of Japan]

I guess we will see.

[The of Japan]

I can't ever wrap my head around this. What's the point in repealing Net Neutrality? ISPs like Comcast and At&t earn the tens of millions of dollars possibly on a day-to-day basis. Hell, even as we speak. From what I can understand, this is all about money.

What needs to happen is for AT&T to block Fox News for the good of their subscribers.

... then watch Net Neutrality come flying back into place with amazing fury.

I don't have AT&T

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

No one has the authority to dictate what ISPs can or cannot do.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

The Internet is a luxury. It is a privilege and not a right. Those are not your lines, not your infrastructure, not your hosts. It is your ISP's property and they have a right to use it as they see fit.

Net Neutrality renders ISP companies, by comparison to pre-NN, so unprofitable that they cannot lay new lines or upgrade their infrastructure.

Keep in mind that the basis behind NN is grounded in a bill that is nearly ninety years old and existed to regulate the earliest phone lines. The Internet succeeded because when ARPA and the DOD turned it over, the people that assumed its governance said "there will be no regulation of this sucker whatsoever".

The Internet is free, open, and successful because the government wisely refused to ruin it. Net Neutrality is government regulation of the Internet, which stifles profits, which in turn, stifle infrastructure upgrades. If you want to end the USA's reign as the dominant innovator of the Internet, by all means, let the government ruin the Internet.

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[The Black Forrest]

The Internet is a luxury. It is a privilege and not a right. Those are not your lines, not your infrastructure, not your hosts. It is your ISP's property and they have a right to use it as they see fit.

Net Neutrality renders ISP companies, by comparison to pre-NN, so unprofitable that they cannot lay new lines or upgrade their infrastructure.

Keep in mind that the basis behind NN is grounded in a bill that is nearly ninety years old and existed to regulate the earliest phone lines. The Internet succeeded because when ARPA and the DOD turned it over, the people that assumed its governance said "there will be no regulation of this sucker whatsoever".

The Internet is free, open, and successful because the government wisely refused to ruin it. Net Neutrality is government regulation of the Internet, which stifles profits, which in turn, stifle infrastructure upgrades. If you want to end the USA's reign as the dominant innovator of the Internet, by all means, let the government ruin the Internet.

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Don't "bump" comments. If you read the thread people commented on it.

[The Black Forrest]

No one has the authority to dictate what ISPs can or cannot do.

Every country has rules on what they can do.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

No one has the authority to dictate what ISPs can or cannot do.

Every country has rules on what they can do.

And rules are not the same thing as authority.

[The Black Forrest]

Every country has rules on what they can do.

And rules are not the same thing as authority.

There tends to be authority backing rules as it would be a wasted effort.

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

No one has the authority to dictate what ISPs can or cannot do.

On the contrary, before Adjit Pai started fucking everything up, that is part of what the FCC's job was to do.

[Camicon]

Every country has rules on what they can do.

And rules are not the same thing as authority.

You mean legitimacy. Every state government has the authority. And democratic states also have the legitimacy, as they derive their authority from the electorate.

[Naval Monte]

The Internet is a luxury. It is a privilege and not a right. Those are not your lines, not your infrastructure, not your hosts. It is your ISP's property and they have a right to use it as they see fit.

Net Neutrality renders ISP companies, by comparison to pre-NN, so unprofitable that they cannot lay new lines or upgrade their infrastructure.

Keep in mind that the basis behind NN is grounded in a bill that is nearly ninety years old and existed to regulate the earliest phone lines. The Internet succeeded because when ARPA and the DOD turned it over, the people that assumed its governance said "there will be no regulation of this sucker whatsoever".

The Internet is free, open, and successful because the government wisely refused to ruin it. Net Neutrality is government regulation of the Internet, which stifles profits, which in turn, stifle infrastructure upgrades. If you want to end the USA's reign as the dominant innovator of the Internet, by all means, let the government ruin the Internet.

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And it was said before that in the past decades that was the case but right now it has slowly become a utility that most need. The rules for the Internet can use an update sure but not with how the Republicans want because if we just let ISPs do whatever they want they will screw over the consumer just to squzze every last drop of money from our wallets and bank accounts,

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

And rules are not the same thing as authority.

You mean legitimacy. Every state government has the authority. And democratic states also have the legitimacy, as they derive their authority from the electorate.

No, I mean authority.

As in, moral authority (the only LEGITIMATE kind - contrary to your statement NO state government has ANY authority).

Moral authority of course being derived from individual rights, which are derived from human nature, and can therefore only be denied by those who are in denial of reality and thereby their own rights aka subhuman Statists.

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

You mean legitimacy. Every state government has the authority. And democratic states also have the legitimacy, as they derive their authority from the electorate.

No, I mean authority.

As in, moral authority (the only LEGITIMATE kind - contrary to your statement NO state government has ANY authority).

Moral authority of course being derived from individual rights, which are derived from human nature, and can therefore only be denied by those who are in denial of reality and thereby their own rights aka subhuman Statists.

Sure, you can go with that logic. But the issue there is that taking this to it's conclusion results in the ISPs then having control over what anyone can access... hence giving them authority, but not of the moral kind that you describe.

There's not a lot that I would ask a government to get their hands in, as it usually makes things worse. But this is one of the exceptions: without regulation to control corporations, they WILL make the lives of everyone else worse. And not out of malice, but out of greed.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

No, I mean authority.

As in, moral authority (the only LEGITIMATE kind - contrary to your statement NO state government has ANY authority).

Moral authority of course being derived from individual rights, which are derived from human nature, and can therefore only be denied by those who are in denial of reality and thereby their own rights aka subhuman Statists.

Sure, you can go with that logic. But the issue there is that taking this to it's conclusion results in the ISPs then having control over what anyone can access... hence giving them authority, but not of the moral kind that you describe.

There's not a lot that I would ask a government to get their hands in, as it usually makes things worse. But this is one of the exceptions: without regulation to control corporations, they WILL make the lives of everyone else worse. And not out of malice, but out of greed.

oh noes, the people who sell us things, control the things they sell us...

the grocery stores are controlling me by only offering me a wide variety of food to eat

[Farnhamia]

You mean legitimacy. Every state government has the authority. And democratic states also have the legitimacy, as they derive their authority from the electorate.

No, I mean authority.

As in, moral authority (the only LEGITIMATE kind - contrary to your statement NO state government has ANY authority).

Moral authority of course being derived from individual rights, which are derived from human nature, and can therefore only be denied by those who are in denial of reality and thereby their own rights aka subhuman Statists.

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You're accumulating rule-breaking citations quite quickly. Think about being more civil.

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

oh noes, the people who sell us things, control the things they sell us...

the grocery stores are controlling me by only offering me a wide variety of food to eat

What makes you think for a moment that the ISPs care the slightest about their customers? They don't. They know that they control something that everyone needs and everyone uses, and that most people in the US don't have much, if any, choice for their ISP. They have a monopoly, and given the ability to do so legally, will proceed to screw over their customers as much as humanly possible for every last bit of control and every last cent.

Removing Net Neutrality gives them that ability to do so legally. They don't care about moral authority. They only care about their bottom line, and how much power they can wield.

[Tevehas]

What makes you think for a moment that the ISPs care the slightest about their customers? They don't.

The entire concept of capitalism involves a voluntary exchange. ISP's certainly care when customers start dropping service.

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

What makes you think for a moment that the ISPs care the slightest about their customers? They don't.

The entire concept of capitalism involves a voluntary exchange. ISP's certainly care when customers start dropping service.

Except they won't, because once again they hold a monopoly over a utility product.

[Tevehas]

Except they won't, because once again they hold a monopoly over a utility product.

There's always satellite internet and DSL if you are really adamant about sticking it to them. Or just not having internet at all. Even then, I already told you why they have a monopoly: Small towns charge out the ass for people to put up wire on their poles, and this ensures no small ISP's can start in their markets. You can fix this by contacting your local representatives (City Council, Mayor, Etc.) but it's not Comcast's fault the government is anti-business.