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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:14 pm

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The Flutterlands wrote:Don't surgar coat this.

Not entirely sure what "surgar" is, so how can I coat something it it?

Sugarcoat I mean.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Having to pay extra to get Netflix isn't going to harm democracy.

tbf it will harm the way the internet works though and cause severe and long-lasting economic damage and stifling of innovative forms of economic commerce in exchange for enriching a few ISPs and their top brass.

It will be bad and should be fixed ASAP.

It won't be the death knell of democracy as we know it.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:32 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:tbf it will harm the way the internet works though and cause severe and long-lasting economic damage and stifling of innovative forms of economic commerce in exchange for enriching a few ISPs and their top brass.

Stop fueling Flutter’s fearmongering, or we’ll never get this thread to stop!

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:46 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Camicon wrote:Which could, in fact, be good for democracy, as it will motivate some people to take a hard look at the government and how it works. You could see greater political engagement by potential voters as they come to appreciate all the different ways that the government affects their day-to-day, and look for ways to influence it.

Or we could end up with a generation of people overreacting a la Flutterlands. But probably not that. Right?

Don't surgar coat this.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:51 pm

Luminesa wrote:Do you want to go insane? Is that what this is? Are you intentionally trying to drive yourself insane? Because you’re going insane, and you’re the only one who seems to have not noticed yet.

Flutters is caught up in the madness of the moment. He can't get out of the present. He won't escape to the happy memories of the past, and he won't hope for the future. I consider myself pretty stressed and anxious about the current state of things, but I'm not falling apart because I remember how many things America has achieved and stood for, and because I have hope for our future. I can stand on the strength of the past, or build to a new future, as most people can (and conversely, unlike those stuck looking to the past or the future, I can take pleasure in the moment) Flutters needs gratification here and now and won't be satisfied with anything else. He needs to be able to press a button and solve all his problems.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:56 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Do you want to go insane? Is that what this is? Are you intentionally trying to drive yourself insane? Because you’re going insane, and you’re the only one who seems to have not noticed yet.

Flutters is caught up in the madness of the moment. He can't get out of the present. He won't escape to the happy memories of the past, and he won't hope for the future. I consider myself pretty stressed and anxious about the current state of things, but I'm not falling apart because I remember how many things America has achieved and stood for, and because I have hope for our future. I can stand on the strength of the past, or build to a new future, as most people can (and conversely, unlike those stuck looking to the past or the future, I can take pleasure in the moment) Flutters needs gratification here and now and won't be satisfied with anything else. He needs to be able to press a button and solve all his problems.

The only thing that keeps my sanity is the possibility of a blue wave, but the way the Congress Critters are acting it would seem like a small wave.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:59 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Flutters is caught up in the madness of the moment. He can't get out of the present. He won't escape to the happy memories of the past, and he won't hope for the future. I consider myself pretty stressed and anxious about the current state of things, but I'm not falling apart because I remember how many things America has achieved and stood for, and because I have hope for our future. I can stand on the strength of the past, or build to a new future, as most people can (and conversely, unlike those stuck looking to the past or the future, I can take pleasure in the moment) Flutters needs gratification here and now and won't be satisfied with anything else. He needs to be able to press a button and solve all his problems.

The only thing that keeps my sanity is the possibility of a blue wave, but the way the Congress Critters are acting it would seem like a small wave.

I think you need to maybe just stop thinking about blue and red waves and live your life.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:33 pm

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Luminesa wrote:No, they showed contempt for your opinion, and so you’re angry.

His opinion is of a majority.
Democracy is lead by a majority, like it or not.
Ajid Pai ignored a majority, so he is full of shit.


Ajit Pai hasn't ignored the fact we live in a democracry.

You're ignoring the fact that Trump won the election with a majority of electoral votes to spur a disingenuous argument instead of addressing the issue.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:44 pm

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Luminesa wrote:No, they showed contempt for your opinion, and so you’re angry.

His opinion is of a majority.
Democracy is lead by a majority, like it or not.
Ajid Pai ignored a majority, so he is full of shit.

The FCC is a regulatory agency, it is not supposed to represent the people
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:51 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Having to pay extra to get Netflix isn't going to harm democracy.

tbf it will harm the way the internet works though and cause severe and long-lasting economic damage and stifling of innovative forms of economic commerce in exchange for enriching a few ISPs and their top brass.


To be honest, net neutrality is a big deal, but it's not "economically upending" bad.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:08 pm

For decades, my geographic location has had a duopoly of two major ISPs- Cox Communications or CenturyLink. People living in that part of Florida only have two primary methods of internet access to chose from- cable or DSL service. The cable company is far ahead of the phone company and dominates that market for the most part, and so- jacks up their prices by a little bit every year.

Finally, there is a brand new ISP which has arrived called BluBroadband- which is 100% a fixed wireless ISP. Although it doesn't appear that this company is yet capable of providing good speeds (for $70/month they offer 50 Mbps) and it doesn't appear that I'm within range of their radio towers, I am nonetheless keeping an eye on them. They might eventually become my new ISP should I wind up switching over to them if in the long run- I'm able to.

Cox's monopoly may yet be challenged. There is some hope now. They're a more serious competitor than what CenturyLink can do.
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Postby United Imperial Systems » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:22 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:His opinion is of a majority.
Democracy is lead by a majority, like it or not.
Ajid Pai ignored a majority, so he is full of shit.


Ajit Pai hasn't ignored the fact we live in a democracry.

You're ignoring the fact that Trump won the election with a majority of electoral votes to spur a disingenuous argument instead of addressing the issue.

Trumps only opponents was Hillary, not exactly a good set of choices.
Even if he was elected, it doesn't mean he has free reign to do anything he wants.
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The Flutterlands wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Flutters is caught up in the madness of the moment. He can't get out of the present. He won't escape to the happy memories of the past, and he won't hope for the future. I consider myself pretty stressed and anxious about the current state of things, but I'm not falling apart because I remember how many things America has achieved and stood for, and because I have hope for our future. I can stand on the strength of the past, or build to a new future, as most people can (and conversely, unlike those stuck looking to the past or the future, I can take pleasure in the moment) Flutters needs gratification here and now and won't be satisfied with anything else. He needs to be able to press a button and solve all his problems.

The only thing that keeps my sanity is the possibility of a blue wave, but the way the Congress Critters are acting it would seem like a small wave.

Why dontcha knock it off with them negative waves, Moriarty?
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Postby Amazing Pugs » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:55 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
United Imperial Systems wrote:His opinion is of a majority.
Democracy is lead by a majority, like it or not.
Ajid Pai ignored a majority, so he is full of shit.


Ajit Pai hasn't ignored the fact we live in a democracry.

You're ignoring the fact that Trump won the election with a majority of electoral votes to spur a disingenuous argument instead of addressing the issue.



Correct me if I am wrong. The FCC should protect the people from unfair prices and practices that big business such as ATT&T, Comcast, ect want to implement. But instead they are taking the money from the large companies and telling the majority of the people to piss off. Doesn't seem right to me...
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Postby Camicon » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 pm

Amazing Pugs wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ajit Pai hasn't ignored the fact we live in a democracry.

You're ignoring the fact that Trump won the election with a majority of electoral votes to spur a disingenuous argument instead of addressing the issue.



Correct me if I am wrong. The FCCC should protect the people from unfair prices and practices that big busniess such as ATT&T, Comcast, ect want to implement. But instead they are taking the money from the large companies and telling the majority of the people to piss off. Doesn't seem right to me...

The FCC is a regulatory agency, but their purpose is not consumer protection.
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United Imperial Systems wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ajit Pai hasn't ignored the fact we live in a democracry.

You're ignoring the fact that Trump won the election with a majority of electoral votes to spur a disingenuous argument instead of addressing the issue.

Trumps only opponents was Hillary, not exactly a good set of choices.
Even if he was elected, it doesn't mean he has free reign to do anything he wants.


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Postby The Flutterlands » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:46 pm

Camicon wrote:
Amazing Pugs wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong. The FCCC should protect the people from unfair prices and practices that big busniess such as ATT&T, Comcast, ect want to implement. But instead they are taking the money from the large companies and telling the majority of the people to piss off. Doesn't seem right to me...

The FCC is a regulatory agency, but their purpose is not consumer protection.

Their purpose is to regulate. They are no longer regulating.
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Postby Camicon » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:54 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Camicon wrote:The FCC is a regulatory agency, but their purpose is not consumer protection.

Their purpose is to regulate. They are no longer regulating.

They are regulating, just less than you would like.
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https://www.bna.com/state-lawmakers-eye-n73014473537/

Again, why shouldn't the states just ignore the state preemption no matter what happens? States are ignoring federal marijuana laws. So why not just tell the feds to piss off in the same mamner?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:14 pm

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The Flutterlands wrote:Their purpose is to regulate. They are no longer regulating.

They are regulating, just less than you would like.

No they are not. They actually believe there shouldn't be any rules regulating ISPs from extorting consumers. It's not about regulating the way I like it, but rather regulating the way they objectively must. No ifs, ands or buts. The internet must be regulated as free and open. It's a moral absolute for a free and democratically economic society.
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Postby Camicon » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:32 pm

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Camicon wrote:They are regulating, just less than you would like.

No they are not. They actually believe there shouldn't be any rules regulating ISPs from extorting consumers. It's not about regulating the way I like it, but rather regulating the way they objectively must. No ifs, ands or buts. The internet must be regulated as free and open. It's a moral absolute for a free and democratically economic society.

The FCC is reclassifying ISP's from Title II to Title I, reversing the shift from Title I to Title II that happened under the Obama administration.

Title I does not mean "no regulation whatsoever".
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Postby The Flutterlands » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:35 pm

Camicon wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:No they are not. They actually believe there shouldn't be any rules regulating ISPs from extorting consumers. It's not about regulating the way I like it, but rather regulating the way they objectively must. No ifs, ands or buts. The internet must be regulated as free and open. It's a moral absolute for a free and democratically economic society.

The FCC is reclassifying ISP's from Title II to Title I, reversing the shift from Title I to Title II that happened under the Obama administration.

Title I does not mean "no regulation whatsoever".

Actually it does because it strips away all consumer protection regulations that keeps the internet free and open. It is criminal and it is insulting to keep the states from making their own laws. This helps no one but the ISPs who wish to extort us for profit. A true picture of regulatory capture.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:07 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Camicon wrote:The FCC is reclassifying ISP's from Title II to Title I, reversing the shift from Title I to Title II that happened under the Obama administration.

Title I does not mean "no regulation whatsoever".

Actually it does because it strips away all consumer protection regulations that keeps the internet free and open. It is criminal and it is insulting to keep the states from making their own laws. This helps no one but the ISPs who wish to extort us for profit. A true picture of regulatory capture.

It isn't criminal.

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Do I sound like that when I talk about Islam?

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Postby Luminesa » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:58 pm

Donut section wrote:Do I sound like that when I talk about Islam?

I haven’t seen you do any pointless fearmongering on any threads, so probably not.
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Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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