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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:18 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Indeed, you have no idea how entitled you sound right now.

Because I am entitled just as you are entitled to a free and open internet. So exactly my point. We are entitled and we must fucking act like it. A free and democratic society is entitled to an unfiltered internet. End of story. No debate.

TIL I need internet to breathe.
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Postby Dylar » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:29 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Because I am entitled just as you are entitled to a free and open internet. So exactly my point. We are entitled and we must fucking act like it. A free and democratic society is entitled to an unfiltered internet. End of story. No debate.

TIL I need internet to breathe.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:37 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:TIL I need internet to breathe.

Of course! How else do you explain the shortened lifespans of people in the Medieval Era?

Gains weren't invented yet.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:22 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Holy shit, do you have any idea how entitled you sound right now?

How dare I feel enraged that the free and open internet has been taken away from us by a corporate puppet against our outcry! We should act entitled to a free and open internet. I don't care about anything else on this topic. We didnt fight hard enough and we didnt scream loud enough. We are entitled to an internet frew from corporate interference. It is a human right and nothing can convince me otherwise.

Then you haven’t read any actual human rights documents. Enough with the posturing. You’ve called for harm upon Pai and his family, you’ve called for violent revolution and other unconstitutional things, and then you have the nerve to claim that you care about human rights. The only human you care about is yourself, otherwise you wouldn’t talk about the internet being “like oxygen” while people in the world suffer from genuine human rights abuses.

Are you able to use your computer right now, even without net neutrality? Yes. Have you died yet because of a lack of net neutrality? Presumably no. Your entire argument is the equivalent of a toddler throwing a massive fit in Walmart, because their mother won’t let them have tons of candy, when you’ve got plenty of food and candy at home. So here’s a radical suggestion: the problem is not with net neutrality being gone at this point. We’re all alive and breathing. You’re alive and breathing too. The problem is with your constant polluting the forum with angry, hateful, and ignorant statements, all because you haven’t gotten your way. If there is no debate, then get off the forum and go do something productive with your time. Nobody here is buying what you’re selling.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:40 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Because I am entitled just as you are entitled to a free and open internet. So exactly my point. We are entitled and we must fucking act like it. A free and democratic society is entitled to an unfiltered internet. End of story. No debate.

TIL I need internet to breathe.

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They probably won't and Pence will break the tie with a "No". Even if they do get the majority, we still got the house and Trump
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:46 pm

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They probably won't and Pence will break the tie with a "No". Even if they do get the majority, we still got the house and Trump


>Majority...

>Break the tie...

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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:48 pm

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The Flutterlands wrote:They probably won't and Pence will break the tie with a "No". Even if they do get the majority, we still got the house and Trump


>Majority...

>Break the tie...

What?

The democrats have 50 votes, irc. They need one more for the majority. Then they vote. The bill then goes to the house, Democrats need another majority, then it goes to Trump if passed. Being unpredictable, Trump may or may not veto it.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:22 pm

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-12-20 ... -education

Thank you Ajit Pai for potentially ruining my college education.

Can't any of you see why I am so God damn upset?
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:26 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-12-20-from-neutrality-to-inequality-why-the-fcc-is-dismantling-equal-access-and-what-it-could-mean-for-education

Thank you Ajit Pai for potentially ruining my college education.

Can't any of you see why I am so God damn upset?

I am currently in college right now...
...And will finish next year, on time, God willing...
...And none of this will affect you or me. So quit terrifying yourself when there's nothing to worry about.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:27 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-12-20-from-neutrality-to-inequality-why-the-fcc-is-dismantling-equal-access-and-what-it-could-mean-for-education

Thank you Ajit Pai for potentially ruining my college education.

Can't any of you see why I am so God damn upset?

I am currently in college right now...
...And will finish next year, on time, God willing...
...And none of this will affect you or me. So quit terrifying yourself when there's nothing to worry about.

Did you read the article?
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Postby Camicon » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:28 pm

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Luminesa wrote:I am currently in college right now...
...And will finish next year, on time, God willing...
...And none of this will affect you or me. So quit terrifying yourself when there's nothing to worry about.

Did you read the article?

Did you? Supposition isn't worth losing your shit over.
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The Flutterlands wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I am currently in college right now...
...And will finish next year, on time, God willing...
...And none of this will affect you or me. So quit terrifying yourself when there's nothing to worry about.

Did you read the article?

I read the first sentence and saw "what it could potentially mean". And then I realized that you're merely making yourself sick, as usual, over hypotheticals and unknowns. In the meantime, I am focused on getting my degree and becoming a teacher. I have a 3.6 GPA, and nobody can take that from me except me. Focus on keeping your grades up, getting scholarships, and applying for schools with your selective degree path. As in, do what normal people do and don't drive yourself insane over things you have no idea about.
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The Flutterlands wrote:Did you read the article?

Did you? Supposition isn't worth losing your shit over.

Actually it is because we are now in a state of regulatory uncertainty.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:31 pm

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Camicon wrote:Did you? Supposition isn't worth losing your shit over.

Actually it is because we are now in a state of regulatory uncertainty.

No we're not. There are things you can do in your life to make sure you get the education that you want/need.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:32 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-12-20-from-neutrality-to-inequality-why-the-fcc-is-dismantling-equal-access-and-what-it-could-mean-for-education

Thank you Ajit Pai for potentially ruining my college education.

Can't any of you see why I am so God damn upset?


These hypotheticals have literally never happened before 2015 in American institutions.

I'd know, I started college back in 2007 and graduated back in 2012 from my history degree. This wasn't a problem for higher education institutions.
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The Flutterlands wrote:Actually it is because we are now in a state of regulatory uncertainty.

No we're not. There are things you can do in your life to make sure you get the education that you want/need.

In this day and age education is dependent on the internet. To say otherwise would be foolish. I did most of my assignments with the internet.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:34 pm

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Luminesa wrote:No we're not. There are things you can do in your life to make sure you get the education that you want/need.

In this day and age education is dependent on the internet. To say otherwise would be foolish. I did most of my assignments with the internet.


Education has been dependent on the internet ever since 2005.

That means absolutely nothing.
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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-12-20-from-neutrality-to-inequality-why-the-fcc-is-dismantling-equal-access-and-what-it-could-mean-for-education

Thank you Ajit Pai for potentially ruining my college education.

Can't any of you see why I am so God damn upset?


These hypotheticals have literally never happened before 2015 in American institutions.

I'd know, I started college back in 2007 and graduated back in 2012 from my history degree. This wasn't a problem for higher education institutions.

Doesn't matter if they are hypothetical. The fact that it can happen and ISPs have the soulless business incentive to so to make more profit is enough to demand regulation.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:36 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
These hypotheticals have literally never happened before 2015 in American institutions.

I'd know, I started college back in 2007 and graduated back in 2012 from my history degree. This wasn't a problem for higher education institutions.

Doesn't matter if they are hypothetical. The fact that it can happen and ISPs have the soulless business incentive to so to make more profit is enough to demand regulation.


So why didn't it happen when I was in college back in 2007? I don't remember university websites and online services being lacking in quality.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:39 pm

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The Flutterlands wrote:Did you read the article?

I read the first sentence and saw "what it could potentially mean". And then I realized that you're merely making yourself sick, as usual, over hypotheticals and unknowns. In the meantime, I am focused on getting my degree and becoming a teacher. I have a 3.6 GPA, and nobody can take that from me except me. Focus on keeping your grades up, getting scholarships, and applying for schools with your selective degree path. As in, do what normal people do and don't drive yourself insane over things you have no idea about.

So you think having to pay for every website you go to, and having websites with content that Verizon or Comcast disagree with blocked, won't stifle education? Because they will do so. Why wouldn't they after throwing millions of dollars at the FCC to have the rules repealed?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:40 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Doesn't matter if they are hypothetical. The fact that it can happen and ISPs have the soulless business incentive to so to make more profit is enough to demand regulation.


So why didn't it happen when I was in college back in 2007? I don't remember university websites and online services being lacking in quality.

Because rules were put In place in 2004. Those rules are gone now. It is not just the 2015 rules. They got rid of all the rules. Ajit Pai thinks there shouldn't be any rules.
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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:44 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Luminesa wrote:No we're not. There are things you can do in your life to make sure you get the education that you want/need.

In this day and age education is dependent on the internet. To say otherwise would be foolish. I did most of my assignments with the internet.

On Microsoft Word maybe, but you could hypothetically do your assignments by hand if you had no computer. You'd just have to figure things out with the teacher. I promise you, as someone who has written many, many notes in notebooks stacked-up high in my room, you will not die if you have to use loose-leaf. Helps you practice good penmanship.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Luminesa » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:46 pm

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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
So why didn't it happen when I was in college back in 2007? I don't remember university websites and online services being lacking in quality.

Because rules were put In place in 2004. Those rules are gone now. It is not just the 2015 rules. They got rid of all the rules. Ajit Pai thinks there shouldn't be any rules.

But Ajit Pai does not control your entire life, contrary to popular opinion.
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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