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Postby Uxupox » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:29 pm

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It's in the ISP's nature to block or throttle their own website?

No but it's in their nature as a corporation to use their monopoly to extort consumers by wrecking havoc on other services to make more profit. Because that is what companies do, make profit at all costs.


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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:31 pm

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The Flutterlands wrote:No but it's in their nature as a corporation to use their monopoly to extort consumers by wrecking havoc on other services to make more profit. Because that is what companies do, make profit at all costs.


are you telling me i can't use tinder anymore ???

You can still use tinder for now but once the rules are on the federal registry, unless the Courts block it for the lawsuits, anything goes for ISPs who wish to make more profi at the expense of consumers.
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Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxens into the proverbial atmosphere.
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Postby Painisia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:02 pm

This will ruin the US economically.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Painisia wrote:This will ruin the US economically.

That too. ISPs will wreck havoc on both the internet and the economy which has become dependent on the internet in recent years.

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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:48 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxens into the proverbial atmosphere.

Lord, Lord, I hope your power never goes out at your house, then. Might have to get you to an emergency room if you can’t use your internet for a few days.

Like, when we had a snowstorm down here in December, I lost power for a day and a half. That meant I had to use little to no internet for a day and a half. *GASP.* THE HORROR. I HAD TO GO READ BOOKS AND PLAY BOARD-GAMES WITH MY SISTER.

And mercy, mercy, if you ever have to get onto a plane and they tell you, “You cannot use your Wi-Fi, it might interfere with the plane.” What’re you gonna do? Fight with the stewards until they let you use your internet? Just...whew! The inhumanity, amirite?
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxens into the proverbial atmosphere.

Lord, Lord, I hope your power never goes out at your house, then. Might have to get you to an emergency room if you can’t use your internet for a few days.

Like, when we had a snowstorm down here in December, I lost power for a day and a half. That meant I had to use little to no internet for a day and a half. *GASP.* THE HORROR. I HAD TO GO READ BOOKS AND PLAY BOARD-GAMES WITH MY SISTER.

And mercy, mercy, if you ever have to get onto a plane and they tell you, “You cannot use your Wi-Fi, it might interfere with the plane.” What’re you gonna do? Fight with the stewards until they let you use your internet? Just...whew! The inhumanity, amirite?


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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:50 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Painisia wrote:This will ruin the US economically.

That too. ISPs will wreck havoc on both the internet and the economy which has become dependent on the internet in recent years.

https://hackernoon.com/will-killing-net ... 4e9b2a259b

My fear mongering is justified

No it’s not. It might wreck you, the way you’re letting Ajit Pai run your life and everything you do, but the economy has survived MUCH, MUCH WORSE. Ever heard of a little thing called “The Great Depression”? Internet wasn’t even INVENTED YET. HOW DID PEOPLE EVEN LIVE.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:50 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Lord, Lord, I hope your power never goes out at your house, then. Might have to get you to an emergency room if you can’t use your internet for a few days.

Like, when we had a snowstorm down here in December, I lost power for a day and a half. That meant I had to use little to no internet for a day and a half. *GASP.* THE HORROR. I HAD TO GO READ BOOKS AND PLAY BOARD-GAMES WITH MY SISTER.

And mercy, mercy, if you ever have to get onto a plane and they tell you, “You cannot use your Wi-Fi, it might interfere with the plane.” What’re you gonna do? Fight with the stewards until they let you use your internet? Just...whew! The inhumanity, amirite?


A lot of relationships can end over one game of Monopoly so this is a dangerous prospect.

Actually we didn’t play Monopoly, but we did play checkers. You’d be surprised how much time can pass over a single game of checkers. :rofl:
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:00 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxens into the proverbial atmosphere.

Lord, Lord, I hope your power never goes out at your house, then. Might have to get you to an emergency room if you can’t use your internet for a few days.

Like, when we had a snowstorm down here in December, I lost power for a day and a half. That meant I had to use little to no internet for a day and a half. *GASP.* THE HORROR. I HAD TO GO READ BOOKS AND PLAY BOARD-GAMES WITH MY SISTER.

And mercy, mercy, if you ever have to get onto a plane and they tell you, “You cannot use your Wi-Fi, it might interfere with the plane.” What’re you gonna do? Fight with the stewards until they let you use your internet? Just...whew! The inhumanity, amirite?


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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:04 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxins into the proverbial atmosphere.


I had thought I gave you at least some reason to be optimistic (maybe) on page 92 of this thread near the top. 5G wireless might prove to be competitive enough to go up against traditional wired broadband services such as DSL and Cable. A 10+ year project perhaps, but more choice and higher speeds for consumers in the long run.

Yes, chances are that cable providers will also want to be your wireless carrier, but they're at a disadvantage in that they have all this old and expensive infrastructure that can't easily be transitioned to wireless right away, and companies that have been "wireless only" from the beginning have a head start and it generally costs less than running fiber or cable.

In the mean time, municipal broadband is a pretty good solution to private ISPs that have too much monopoly leverage, provided your locale is well off enough to do this. I really like that idea. Chattanooga is smart enough to have invested in this.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:05 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Lord, Lord, I hope your power never goes out at your house, then. Might have to get you to an emergency room if you can’t use your internet for a few days.

Like, when we had a snowstorm down here in December, I lost power for a day and a half. That meant I had to use little to no internet for a day and a half. *GASP.* THE HORROR. I HAD TO GO READ BOOKS AND PLAY BOARD-GAMES WITH MY SISTER.

And mercy, mercy, if you ever have to get onto a plane and they tell you, “You cannot use your Wi-Fi, it might interfere with the plane.” What’re you gonna do? Fight with the stewards until they let you use your internet? Just...whew! The inhumanity, amirite?


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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:46 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxens into the proverbial atmosphere.


Yeah, you have problems beyond what Chairman Pai does.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:48 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's in the ISP's nature to block or throttle their own website?

No but it's in their nature as a corporation to use their monopoly to extort consumers by wrecking havoc on other services to make more profit. Because that is what companies do, make profit at all costs. It is in their nature.


So, how is this bad for me?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:54 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxens into the proverbial atmosphere.

Yeeeah, might want to get help for that net addiction.
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The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me. The FCC is letting the ISPs dump toxins into the proverbial atmosphere.


I had thought I gave you at least some reason to be optimistic (maybe) on page 92 of this thread near the top. 5G wireless might prove to be competitive enough to go up against traditional wired broadband services such as DSL and Cable. A 10+ year project perhaps, but more choice and higher speeds for consumers in the long run.

Yes, chances are that cable providers will also want to be your wireless carrier, but they're at a disadvantage in that they have all this old and expensive infrastructure that can't easily be transitioned to wireless right away, and companies that have been "wireless only" from the beginning have a head start and it generally costs less than running fiber or cable.

In the mean time, municipal broadband is a pretty good solution to private ISPs that have too much monopoly leverage, provided your locale is well off enough to do this. I really like that idea. Chattanooga is smart enough to have invested in this.

Flutter will never be optimistic on the issue, because otherwise he would not be on this thread screaming about death and revolution every five minutes. It’s not just a matter of changing someone’s mind, it’s more of a matter of simply refusing anything but the answer he wants.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:15 am

City-owned Internet services offer cheaper and more transparent pricing

But tell us more about how it's Net Neutrality that is screwing over consumers.
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Vassenor wrote:City-owned Internet services offer cheaper and more transparent pricing

But tell us more about how it's Net Neutrality that is screwing over consumers.

Has anyone thrown a spiel about communist/socialist government internet service yet?
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The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me.

Holy shit, do you have any idea how entitled you sound right now?
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The Flutterlands wrote:Point is the internet is like oxygen for me.

Holy shit, do you have any idea how entitled you sound right now?

How dare I feel enraged that the free and open internet has been taken away from us by a corporate puppet against our outcry! We should act entitled to a free and open internet. I don't care about anything else on this topic. We didnt fight hard enough and we didnt scream loud enough. We are entitled to an internet frew from corporate interference. It is a human right and nothing can convince me otherwise.
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Luminesa wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
I had thought I gave you at least some reason to be optimistic (maybe) on page 92 of this thread near the top. 5G wireless might prove to be competitive enough to go up against traditional wired broadband services such as DSL and Cable. A 10+ year project perhaps, but more choice and higher speeds for consumers in the long run.

Yes, chances are that cable providers will also want to be your wireless carrier, but they're at a disadvantage in that they have all this old and expensive infrastructure that can't easily be transitioned to wireless right away, and companies that have been "wireless only" from the beginning have a head start and it generally costs less than running fiber or cable.

In the mean time, municipal broadband is a pretty good solution to private ISPs that have too much monopoly leverage, provided your locale is well off enough to do this. I really like that idea. Chattanooga is smart enough to have invested in this.

Flutter will never be optimistic on the issue, because otherwise he would not be on this thread screaming about death and revolution every five minutes. It’s not just a matter of changing someone’s mind, it’s more of a matter of simply refusing anything but the answer he wants.

That is also because your solution is in extreme long term and extremely more difficult than ether courts or Congress. I want net neutrality back as soon as possible, whither it be struck down in court (hopefully the courts won't give these fucking idiots at the FCC deference because then they too are against the American people) or Net Neutrality set in stone in Congress. Net Neutrality today and net neutrality forever.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:28 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Flutter will never be optimistic on the issue, because otherwise he would not be on this thread screaming about death and revolution every five minutes. It’s not just a matter of changing someone’s mind, it’s more of a matter of simply refusing anything but the answer he wants.

That is also because your solution is in extreme long term and extremely more difficult than ether courts or Congress. I want net neutrality back as soon as possible, whither it be struck down in court (hopefully the courts won't these fucking idiots at the FCC deference because then they too are against the American people) or Net Neutrality set in stone in Congress. Net Neutrality today and net neutrality forever.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:That is also because your solution is in extreme long term and extremely more difficult than ether courts or Congress. I want net neutrality back as soon as possible, whither it be struck down in court (hopefully the courts won't these fucking idiots at the FCC deference because then they too are against the American people) or Net Neutrality set in stone in Congress. Net Neutrality today and net neutrality forever.

Good things come to those who wait.

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Don't give ISPs a chance to wreck havoc on the internet.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:55 am

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Holy shit, do you have any idea how entitled you sound right now?

How dare I feel enraged that the free and open internet has been taken away from us by a corporate puppet against our outcry! We should act entitled to a free and open internet. I don't care about anything else on this topic. We didnt fight hard enough and we didnt scream loud enough. We are entitled to an internet frew from corporate interference. It is a human right and nothing can convince me otherwise.

Indeed, you have no idea how entitled you sound right now.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:05 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:How dare I feel enraged that the free and open internet has been taken away from us by a corporate puppet against our outcry! We should act entitled to a free and open internet. I don't care about anything else on this topic. We didnt fight hard enough and we didnt scream loud enough. We are entitled to an internet frew from corporate interference. It is a human right and nothing can convince me otherwise.

Indeed, you have no idea how entitled you sound right now.

Because I am entitled just as you are entitled to a free and open internet. So exactly my point. We are entitled and we must fucking act like it. A free and democratic society is entitled to an unfiltered internet. End of story. No debate.
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