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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:56 am

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Except this isn't what happened.

They only switched ISPs from being regulated under Title II back to Title I. That's not "no regulation".

The FCC can't regulate title I communications. Only the FTC can and they are fucking useless on this issue

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... rality-law

California should go full force on this. Tell the ISP lobbyist to fuck themselves. Tell the FCC to fuck themselves, and if the Courts side with the FCC tell them to go fuck themselves. There should be net neutrality now and there should be net neutrality forever even if the Federal Government declares Civil War on the defiant states.


Title I regulation is still regulation.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:30 pm

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They do compete with one another. The company turning a profit doesn't mean it isn't competing...


A company artificially inflating its prices drastically above provision costs does, however.


Interesting fact, not relevant tho...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:15 pm

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Uiiop wrote:Don't take my word for it but i have a relative who works for a ISP and they do view themselves more as allies/friends more than rivals.


I don't intend to.
Because the anecdote of your 'relative' I'd hardly more relevant than my personal experiences.


Actually he is correct. I once had to deal with a WAN outage. The debug session involved five companies and three were competitors.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:48 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:The FCC can't regulate title I communications. Only the FTC can and they are fucking useless on this issue

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... rality-law

California should go full force on this. Tell the ISP lobbyist to fuck themselves. Tell the FCC to fuck themselves, and if the Courts side with the FCC tell them to go fuck themselves. There should be net neutrality now and there should be net neutrality forever even if the Federal Government declares Civil War on the defiant states.


Title I regulation is still regulation.

That the FCC has no control over...
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Postby Princess Luna Gangleader of Boil Heights » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:51 pm

I'm kind of apathetic to the issue. The intent is to tax large companies if they slow small sites I be surprised

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
A company artificially inflating its prices drastically above provision costs does, however.


Interesting fact, not relevant tho...


Except that they are charging far above provision costs, as demonstrated, and therefore, because of what you just accepted as a fact, they are, in fact, not competing with each other.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:41 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Except this isn't what happened.

They only switched ISPs from being regulated under Title II back to Title I. That's not "no regulation".

The FCC can't regulate title I communications. Only the FTC can and they are fucking useless on this issue

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... rality-law

California should go full force on this. Tell the ISP lobbyist to fuck themselves. Tell the FCC to fuck themselves, and if the Courts side with the FCC tell them to go fuck themselves. There should be net neutrality now and there should be net neutrality forever even if the Federal Government declares Civil War on the defiant states.

California cant do shit about it other than fund the democrats to win the presidency.
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:41 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Title I regulation is still regulation.

That the FCC has no control over...

empower the FTC then
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:42 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Interesting fact, not relevant tho...


Except that they are charging far above provision costs, as demonstrated, and therefore, because of what you just accepted as a fact, they are, in fact, not competing with each other.

by that logic bottled water has no real competition
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:43 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Except that they are charging far above provision costs, as demonstrated, and therefore, because of what you just accepted as a fact, they are, in fact, not competing with each other.

by that logic bottled water has no real competition


True, bottled water is, by and large, a non-competitive (in the "competition will make prices go down" sense) market.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby The Flutterlands » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:45 pm

The of Japan wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:That the FCC has no control over...

empower the FTC then

Not how it works. They can only take care of shit AFTER the fact
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:48 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
The of Japan wrote:by that logic bottled water has no real competition


True, bottled water is, by and large, a non-competitive (in the "competition will make prices go down" sense) market.

true, bottled water's competetion is brand recognition, not price.
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:49 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
The of Japan wrote:empower the FTC then

Not how it works. They can only take care of shit AFTER the fact

after the fact, they should be able to punish severely the company.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:56 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Title I regulation is still regulation.

That the FCC has no control over...


Of course they have control.

They just don't have as much control as you'd like, which is a difference in degree, not in matter.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:41 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Interesting fact, not relevant tho...


Except that they are charging far above provision costs, as demonstrated, and therefore, because of what you just accepted as a fact, they are, in fact, not competing with each other.


You demonstrated nothing about provision costs.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Except that they are charging far above provision costs, as demonstrated, and therefore, because of what you just accepted as a fact, they are, in fact, not competing with each other.


You demonstrated nothing about provision costs.


It's literally in the report, where I pointed it out to you.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby The Flutterlands » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:56 am

I dont advocate death threats. I just don't care about the hate comments, aside from death threats for what he has done.
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Postby Eibenland » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:01 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:http://www.multichannel.com/news/fcc/pai-pulls-out-nreca-speech-over-threats/417462

This coward needs to grow some balls and take his hatred like a man. He deserves all that he is getting for selling us out to evil Internet Providers.

He doesn't deserve death threats. That's not right.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:03 pm

Eibenland wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:http://www.multichannel.com/news/fcc/pai-pulls-out-nreca-speech-over-threats/417462

This coward needs to grow some balls and take his hatred like a man. He deserves all that he is getting for selling us out to evil Internet Providers.

He doesn't deserve death threats. That's not right.

Maybe, maybe not. I could care less because he basically gave ISPs power to wreck havoc on the internet by censoring, blocking and throttling websites. He gets no pitty or sympathy from me. I hope the courts strike his actions down, seeing how bullshit his facts are.
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Eibenland wrote:He doesn't deserve death threats. That's not right.

Maybe, maybe not. I could care less because he basically gave ISPs power to wreck havoc on the internet by censoring, blocking and throttling websites. He gets no pitty or sympathy from me. I hope the courts strike his actions down, seeing how bullshit his facts are.

I don't like his actions, but if he gets physically attacked or something happens to his kids, I will care and you should too. Why does bad news put you into revolution mode?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:13 pm

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The Flutterlands wrote:Maybe, maybe not. I could care less because he basically gave ISPs power to wreck havoc on the internet by censoring, blocking and throttling websites. He gets no pitty or sympathy from me. I hope the courts strike his actions down, seeing how bullshit his facts are.

I don't like his actions, but if he gets physically attacked or something happens to his kids, I will care and you should too. Why does bad news put you into revolution mode?

Because this bad news ruins the lives of millions. I still think States should Rebel against the state preemption part. They must make a stand and declare that we will have Net Neutrality today, Net Neutrality tomorrow, and Net Neutrality forever.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:28 pm

Princess Luna Gangleader of Boil Heights wrote:I'm kind of apathetic to the issue. The intent is to tax large companies if they slow small sites I be surprised


The intent is to squeeze as much money as possible by putting artificial limits to what and how much you can use websites. If they find an opportunity, ISPs will limit everything, not just the "big guys".

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Eibenland wrote:I don't like his actions, but if he gets physically attacked or something happens to his kids, I will care and you should too. Why does bad news put you into revolution mode?

Because this bad news ruins the lives of millions. I still think States should Rebel against the state preemption part. They must make a stand and declare that we will have Net Neutrality today, Net Neutrality tomorrow, and Net Neutrality forever.

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Princess Luna Gangleader of Boil Heights wrote:I'm kind of apathetic to the issue. The intent is to tax large companies if they slow small sites I be surprised


The intent is to squeeze as much money as possible by putting artificial limits to what and how much you can use websites. If they find an opportunity, ISPs will limit everything, not just the "big guys".

Which is why we need to fight back everyway we can. We have been sold out by the FCC and to add insult to injury have prohibited states from making their own. So states must rebel and ignore whatever the FCC and the Courts say on net neutrality.. We can't let Verizon and Comcast kill the internet as we know it.
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