UBER, champion of the working class!

[Sovaal]

Agreed. I think we'll pull through, though. I mean anything big enoigh to take us down will probably be enough to take everybody else with us.

Anyway, this is off topic.

What'd kill America is if we end up like 3rd century Rome. I mean an outright civil war won't end America it has to much stability and a sense of unification for that. If it were to fall it needs to have a massive civil war like Rome in the first century then be taken over by external threats like the 4th century.

Lets invest in cannon proof city walls and we'll be fine.

[Katganistan]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/uber-uk-tribunal-self-employed-status

As we all know, Uber lost its court case to have its "employees" remain "self employed", and now their true intent shows itself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42055841

Turns out they are now on the path to eliminate human drivers altogether and replace them with Volvo self driving cars. And while I would prefer a self driving car to a driver, Uber will undoubtably offer far cheaper fairs while paying a special tax to compensate for all the workers they're putting out of work.....oh wait, they won't.

The question is...will this wake up the zombified legislators of the world to the threat of unregulated automation? Or will they just wait for mass unemployment and a social revolution?

Wait for the first lethal collision.

[Methodological Individualism]

Wait for the first lethal collision.

I understand that all but one of the accidents Google's prototype has been in was caused by other (human) drivers. And that an accident in March involving the Uber prototype was also caused by the other (human) driver failing to yield properly.

The record is against the wetware, so far at least.

EDIT: There is Tesla's Autopilot, but, regardless of the name, I understand that's actually more of a particularly fancy cruise control system, rather than a true autonomous car. Those accidents are perhaps better characterized as human operator error.

[Post War America]

Wait for the first lethal collision.

I understand that all but one of the accidents Google's prototype has been in was caused by other (human) drivers. And that an accident in March involving the Uber prototype was also caused by the other (human) driver failing to yield properly.

The record is against the wetware, so far at least.

EDIT: There is Tesla's Autopilot, but, regardless of the name, I understand that's actually more of a particularly fancy cruise control system, rather than a true autonomous car. Those accidents are perhaps better characterized as human operator error.

How is human error a mark against autonomous vehicles?

[Great Nepal]

Wait for the first lethal collision.

I'm sure uber/volvo can come up with some sort of insurance arrangement to go along with the deal. Plus it'll be far cheaper given danger of self driving/ non self driving cars.

Turns out they are now on the path to eliminate human drivers altogether and replace them with Volvo self driving cars. And while I would prefer a self driving car to a driver, Uber will undoubtably offer far cheaper fairs while paying a special tax to compensate for all the workers they're putting out of work.....oh wait, they won't.

Not really turns out - this is entirely sensible, inevitable and known direction entire industry is heading in so. As for second half, yes and no because no company has obligation to make voluntary tax contributions.

[Dooom35796821595]

Wait for the first lethal collision.

I'm sure uber/volvo can come up with some sort of insurance arrangement to go along with the deal. Plus it'll be far cheaper given danger of self driving/ non self driving cars.

Turns out they are now on the path to eliminate human drivers altogether and replace them with Volvo self driving cars. And while I would prefer a self driving car to a driver, Uber will undoubtably offer far cheaper fairs while paying a special tax to compensate for all the workers they're putting out of work.....oh wait, they won't.

Not really turns out - this is entirely sensible, inevitable and known direction entire industry is heading in so. As for second half, yes and no because no company has obligation to make voluntary tax contributions.

I meant more along the lines of an automation tax to curb excess profits, but not severe enough to discouraging automation, since the government will end up supporting the unemployed.

[Summertimequestionswine]

Why would anyone think a company that takes its name from the first part of the word UBERMENSCH be for the working class?

In any case, our we're getting automobile wielding robot overlords whether you like it or not, buddy! So buckle up...or don't, our robot overlords will eventually do that for you...

[Methodological Individualism]

Why would anyone think a company that takes its name from the first part of the word UBERMENSCH be for the working class?

Re-read your Nietzsche. Not his sister's stuff, mind.

[Methodological Individualism]

I understand that all but one of the accidents Google's prototype has been in was caused by other (human) drivers. And that an accident in March involving the Uber prototype was also caused by the other (human) driver failing to yield properly.

The record is against the wetware, so far at least.

EDIT: There is Tesla's Autopilot, but, regardless of the name, I understand that's actually more of a particularly fancy cruise control system, rather than a true autonomous car. Those accidents are perhaps better characterized as human operator error.

How is human error a mark against autonomous vehicles?

I would have thought the mark was against the wetware .

[Post War America]

How is human error a mark against autonomous vehicles?

I would have thought the mark was against the wetware .

I dun goofed. My apologies.

[Ifreann]

Why would anyone think a company that takes its name from the first part of the word UBERMENSCH be for the working class?

Why would you think the English speakers behind a taxi service that swears it isn't a taxi service took their name from that particular use of the German word "uber"?

[Taihei Tengoku]

Uber is good--it increases the amount of people transported per engine, which is the goal of public transport and the key to solving ~climate change~. It is also telling that their opposition are literal guilds.

[Ifreann]

Uber is good--it increases the amount of people transported per engine, which is the goal of public transport and the key to solving ~climate change~. It is also telling that their opposition are literal guilds.

Employment tribunals are guilds?

[Taihei Tengoku]

Uber is good--it increases the amount of people transported per engine, which is the goal of public transport and the key to solving ~climate change~. It is also telling that their opposition are literal guilds.

Employment tribunals are guilds?

City taxi services are literal medieval guilds

[Post War America]

Employment tribunals are guilds?

City taxi services are literal medieval guilds

Hmm... never realized Native Tribes set up Taxi Guilds in New York during the Middle Ages. The more you know I guess.

[Ifreann]

Employment tribunals are guilds?

City taxi services are literal medieval guilds

This thread is about a ruling by an employment tribunal, not a city taxi service. The opposition here is the British government, seeking to make Uber treat its employees as employees.

I suppose some city taxi services may effectively be descendants of older organisations from the days of horse and carriage or trap. I don't "medieval".

[Dooom35796821595]

City taxi services are literal medieval guilds

Hmm... never realized Native Tribes set up Taxi Guilds in New York during the Middle Ages. The more you know I guess.

Don't be ridiculous, America has no Middle Ages. As such, its taxi companies are less.....well, just less.

[The Black Forrest]

Uber is good--it increases the amount of people transported per engine, which is the goal of public transport and the key to solving ~climate change~. It is also telling that their opposition are literal guilds.

The one time I used Uber was to get from one point in San Francisco to another. I was abandoned at the Airport.

Uber sucks. Lyft is better. Lyft also get's rid of wack nuts as soon as they are reported. One let go from Lyft, they run right to uber and get hired (as per lyft driver).

[Sovaal]

Why would anyone think a company that takes its name from the first part of the word UBERMENSCH be for the working class?

I doubt that has anythong to do with.

And if where doing that, the Nazis breathed air and drank water too!

In any case, our we're getting automobile wielding robot overlords whether you like it or not, buddy! So buckle up...or don't, our robot overlords will eventually do that for you...

Why do that when they can just kill us?

[Methodological Individualism]

And if where doing that, the Nazis breathed air and drank water too!

More importantly, Übermensch aren't Nazis anyway, whether they breathe or not!

Why do that when they can just kill us?

As opposed to human drivers not yielding or stopping in my crosswalk because they wish me continued health and fortune?

[Salandriagado]

You are openly admitting to, and advocating the breaking of the Law?

What have you never gone faster than the speed limit in your life?

No, actually. I prefer not to endanger my life and the lives of those around me.

Maybe roads would be faster if most drivers weren't so bad.

I agree. We should ban slow ass grandparents, extremely nice drivers, Canadians, Floridians, those who put the brakes on going down hills, around curves, and on the highway, and those who go the speed limit in the far left lane from driving

Alternatively, you just ban humans, up the speed limit to what an AI can safely deal with, and everything gets vastly faster.

[Salandriagado]

Because the very well developed freight network would go to shit

Actually, it's more likely the passenger service will go to shit. At least in my area, Amtrak operates with the permission and cooperation of BNSF (mostly), the later of which actually owns the rail.

Guess who BNSF prioritizes if there is a traffic conflict? Guess who gets the shaft from their customers for situations basically out of their control?

Although, my last multi-hour train delay was caused by some knucklehead driver trying to beat the crossing gates, so BNSF gets a pass that once.

Of course, the reason for sharing rail at all is patently obvious. Laying dozens of competing private lines all next to each other presents certain logistical problems.

The solution here is equally obvious: the government just buys out said private rail lines.

[Risottia]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/uber-uk-tribunal-self-employed-status

As we all know, Uber lost its court case to have its "employees" remain "self employed", and now their true intent shows itself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42055841

Turns out they are now on the path to eliminate human drivers altogether and replace them with Volvo self driving cars. And while I would prefer a self driving car to a driver, Uber will undoubtably offer far cheaper fairs while paying a special tax to compensate for all the workers they're putting out of work.....oh wait, they won't.

The question is...will this wake up the zombified legislators of the world to the threat of unregulated automation? Or will they just wait for mass unemployment and a social revolution?

Imperialism Automation is the supreme phase of capitalism.

Proletarier Taxifahrer aller Welt, vereinigt euch!

[Methodological Individualism]

The solution here is equally obvious: the government just buys out said private rail lines.

I suppose this might do something about a particular company favoring its own trains, but it might not do as much for different train operators demanding more or less simultaneous use of precisely the same rail.

Also, with what money where? I mean, this is a great plan assuming all American political culture and interests fundamentally change or disappear overnight. Especially the "any public spending is Stalinism" bit. So I'm still waiting for the check.

[Ifreann]

Why would anyone think a company that takes its name from the first part of the word UBERMENSCH be for the working class?

I doubt that has anythong to do with.

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