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Postby Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:28 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What? That people have rights and can't be deported like animals?


The Government should have bought all the land along the route before building tbh. This is why we can't have nice things.


So... They started construction before they even bought the land to construct on...? Wow. That´s like i´d build half a mega mall on my half plot of land before I even purchased the other half... Not exactly a wise move.

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:29 pm

Azurius wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
The Government should have bought all the land along the route before building tbh. This is why we can't have nice things.


So... They started construction before they even bought the land to construct on...? Wow. That´s like i´d build half a mega mall on my half plot of land before I even purchased the other half... Not exactly a wise move.


That's because only idiots and the corrupt generally go into government where I am

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Postby Questers » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:29 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
So another thing the USA can't do right, add it to the list. The very, very long list.

Property rights are sacrosanct. Also every government action should be able to be contested in court. Otherwise you aren't a very democratic society but a borderline authoritarian dictatorship
Like Switzerland, that impoverished little despotism.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
So another thing the USA can't do right, add it to the list. The very, very long list.

Property rights are sacrosanct. Also every government action should be able to be contested in court. Otherwise you aren't a very democratic society but a borderline authoritarian dictatorship


Other democratic countries have eminent domain, and court oversight. But if it's not Mercia, it's not democracy, right? :roll:
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:31 pm

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The Government should have bought all the land along the route before building tbh. This is why we can't have nice things.
No other first world country, in which quality of life is approximately the same as the US, has this problem in quite such intensity.

The American Republic should be more like the Roman Republic it wanted to emulate and adopt practices of countries it has occupied when they are better. Then it might last a thousand years.


The other first world countries are the process of committing suicide, taking advice from the soon to be gone is an exercise in futility.

That is assuming their ideas had value in the first place.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:31 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Property rights are sacrosanct. Also every government action should be able to be contested in court. Otherwise you aren't a very democratic society but a borderline authoritarian dictatorship


Other democratic countries have eminent domain, and court oversight. But if it's not Mercia, it's not democracy, right? :roll:

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Other democratic countries have eminent domain, and court oversight. But if it's not Mercia, it's not democracy, right? :roll:

Oh look at all that straw


I'd make a strawman, but the farmers lobby is too powerful. :p
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Postby Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Property rights are sacrosanct. Also every government action should be able to be contested in court. Otherwise you aren't a very democratic society but a borderline authoritarian dictatorship


Other democratic countries have eminent domain, and court oversight. But if it's not Mercia, it's not democracy, right? :roll:


In other countries you also actually have the right to a trial etc. Which in some cases americans for example don´t. But yes we have eminent domain too. People affected negatively by eminent domain are usually compensated as well. They may not like it, but the majority does as it benefits from it.

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Postby Questers » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:33 pm

The East Marches II wrote:The other first world countries are the process of committing suicide, taking advice from the soon to be gone is an exercise in futility.

That is assuming their ideas had value in the first place.
Maybe, but that is not related to whether or not they can actually commit to building infrastructure projects.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 pm

Questers wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
The Government should have bought all the land along the route before building tbh. This is why we can't have nice things.
No other first world country, in which quality of life is approximately the same as the US, has this problem in quite such intensity.

I would imagine Canada would face similar issues. Anyway, Europe is a completely different continent from America, not going to be the same situation. If you can't realise that then I don't know what to tell you.

The American Republic should be more like the Roman Republic it wanted to emulate and adopt practices of countries it has occupied when they are better. Then it might last a thousand years.

Rome collapsed,and spent the majority of it's history as an Empire.

Anyway, the only countries we've really conquered probably aren't the best to emulate.
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Postby Questers » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:37 pm

The US conquered both Japan and Germany - it's unlikely there is nothing that it can learn from either societies.

Rome lasted a lot longer than the United States, even in its Republican form, but the comparison was mostly tongue in cheek.
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Postby Questers » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:38 pm

The United States has different challenges to other countries, some of which is based on size, others based on large proportions of its population being Thermodolias, but it is not completely unique. Forms of operational and behavioural research are universal.
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Postby Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:41 pm

Questers wrote:The US conquered both Japan and Germany - it's unlikely there is nothing that it can learn from either societies.

Rome lasted a lot longer than the United States, even in its Republican form, but the comparison was mostly tongue in cheek.


Except that it hasn´t really conquered Germany... Japan yes.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:42 pm

Questers wrote:The US conquered both Japan and Germany - it's unlikely there is nothing that it can learn from either societies.

Rome lasted a lot longer than the United States, even in its Republican form, but the comparison was mostly tongue in cheek.

Again, Japan and Germany are completely different countries from the US, on different continents. Are there things we can learn from them? Sure. But that doesn't mean that we can just copy and paste their policies into the US, or that all of their policies, or anything you have suggested(especially your) can work in the US. The US is to vast for anything to effective compete with the car for the average American, deporting millions citizens within the US is to much trouble for the effort, and trains will only be effective in certain regions of the country.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:43 pm

Questers wrote:The United States has different challenges to other countries, some of which is based on size, others based on large proportions of its population being Thermodolias, but it is not completely unique. Forms of operational and behavioural research are universal.

Don't see how human behavior has to do with why the environment and population makes something unworkable.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:43 pm

Questers wrote:The US conquered both Japan and Germany - it's unlikely there is nothing that it can learn from either societies.

Rome lasted a lot longer than the United States, even in its Republican form, but the comparison was mostly tongue in cheek.

Based off how long nations sustain themselves nowadays the USA is probably in the best condition although it is starting to lose grounds.
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Postby Questers » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:44 pm

With American troops on German soil and entire German armies having laid down their arms in front of American officers and with the German high command offering an unconditional surrender to allied high commands, it is not unreasonable to say that the United States conquered Germany - in unison with its allies, obviously.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:44 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Questers wrote:The US conquered both Japan and Germany - it's unlikely there is nothing that it can learn from either societies.

Rome lasted a lot longer than the United States, even in its Republican form, but the comparison was mostly tongue in cheek.

Based off how long nations sustain themselves nowadays the USA is probably in the best condition although it is starting to lose grounds.

When you're at the top the only way to go is down. I say we'll be around for a fair while, however.
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”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:52 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Based off how long nations sustain themselves nowadays the USA is probably in the best condition although it is starting to lose grounds.

When you're at the top the only way to go is down. I say we'll be around for a fair while, however.

My fear is the dividing like the Roman Empire did. I mean I'm fine if America sustains its size even if the party I oppose is at the top. I mean I don't like it and I'll oppose it, but dividing is worse.
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Postby Azurius » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm

Questers wrote:With American troops on German soil and entire German armies having laid down their arms in front of American officers and with the German high command offering an unconditional surrender to allied high commands, it is not unreasonable to say that the United States conquered Germany - in unison with its allies, obviously.


Well yeah in unison. Also America really joined the fight against nazigermany very late... It was essentially already won at that point.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 pm

what makes this round of automation different from previous rounds of automation
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:29 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:When you're at the top the only way to go is down. I say we'll be around for a fair while, however.

My fear is the dividing like the Roman Empire did. I mean I'm fine if America sustains its size even if the party I oppose is at the top. I mean I don't like it and I'll oppose it, but dividing is worse.

Agreed. I think we'll pull through, though. I mean anything big enoigh to take us down will probably be enough to take everybody else with us.

Anyway, this is off topic.
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”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:My fear is the dividing like the Roman Empire did. I mean I'm fine if America sustains its size even if the party I oppose is at the top. I mean I don't like it and I'll oppose it, but dividing is worse.

Agreed. I think we'll pull through, though. I mean anything big enoigh to take us down will probably be enough to take everybody else with us.

Anyway, this is off topic.

What'd kill America is if we end up like 3rd century Rome. I mean an outright civil war won't end America it has to much stability and a sense of unification for that. If it were to fall it needs to have a massive civil war like Rome in the first century then be taken over by external threats like the 4th century.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:11 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/uber-uk-tribunal-self-employed-status

As we all know, Uber lost its court case to have its "employees" remain "self employed", and now their true intent shows itself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42055841

Turns out they are now on the path to eliminate human drivers altogether and replace them with Volvo self driving cars. And while I would prefer a self driving car to a driver, Uber will undoubtably offer far cheaper fairs while paying a special tax to compensate for all the workers they're putting out of work.....oh wait, they won't.

The question is...will this wake up the zombified legislators of the world to the threat of unregulated automation? Or will they just wait for mass unemployment and a social revolution?


National Redundancy Insurance should probably be a thing, if made redundant by automation or technological advancement, guaranteeing at least a minimum wage and retraining.
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