Red Alert: internet freedom under attack this Thanksgiving

[Salandriagado]

Does anyone know how this would affect those with Comcast? (Me, for instance)

Badly. Comcast is one of the companies whose bullshit got these rules put in place in the first place.

[Salandriagado]

Yeah giving corporations power over areas of the internet and removing net equality is a leftist idea.

Which leftists have tried to do for a very long time, what’s your fucking point? Don’t whine, just wise up and switch side or drown in your own ignorance. Frankly, I don’t care which.

Stop lying.

[The Flutterlands]

Are there any real world examples of this happening that bear this out? Or is it just theoretical fear mongering? Until not having net neutrality has been tried, I've yet to be convinced that net neutrality is necessary.

Like Tinfect said, this is happening in Portugal:

This. This is what we must call for revolution over should it ever comes to us. We must not bow down this corporate take over of the internet. What has ever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death"? You guys are taking the internet for granted of you aren't thinking of taking to he streets should he internet ever become like cable TV for us.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Like Tinfect said, this is happening in Portugal:

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This. This is what we must call for revolution over should it ever comes to us. We must not bow down this corporate take over of the internet. What has ever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death"? You guys are taking the internet for granted of you aren't thinking of taking to he streets should he internet ever become like cable TV for us.

If we had a revolution every time the government tried to restrict something we'd be going full Trotsky 24/7

[Hurdergaryp]

And if you don't watch the news, Ajit Pai will kill and eat you, like a tiger.

DC is a scary place.

Ajit Pai is an amoral goon in service of the big players in the telecom market, but he probably isn't a murderer and a cannibal.

[The Flutterlands]

This. This is what we must call for revolution over should it ever comes to us. We must not bow down this corporate take over of the internet. What has ever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death"? You guys are taking the internet for granted of you aren't thinking of taking to he streets should he internet ever become like cable TV for us.

If we had a revolution every time the government tried to restrict something we'd be going I'll Trotsky 24/7

Okay fine. Enjoy your cable internet then and paying ISP bribery to get on your favorite websites.

Fuck it, why do we even need ISPs? Why can't we just have the internet?

[Washington Resistance Army]

If we had a revolution every time the government tried to restrict something we'd be going I'll Trotsky 24/7

Okay fine. Enjoy your cable internet then and paying ISP bribery to get on your favorite websites.

Fuck it, why do we even need ISPs? Why can't we just have the internet?

I'm just saying your logic doesn't make much sense.

My states attorney general wants to ban most of my guns, should I go behead him and parade it around on a stick? Or should I vote and be a normal person?

[The Flutterlands]

Okay fine. Enjoy your cable internet then and paying ISP bribery to get on your favorite websites.

Fuck it, why do we even need ISPs? Why can't we just have the internet?

I'm just saying your logic doesn't make much sense.

My states attorney general wants to ban most of my guns, should I go behead him and parade it around on a stick? Or should I vote and be a normal person?

No, but you should protest like hell...

[Algavich]

I'm honestly confused. I don't know whether or not to be extremely worried about this or not.

[The Flutterlands]

I'm honestly confused. I don't know whether or not to be extremely worried about this or not.

If you like the internet free and open you should be...

[The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi]

I'm honestly confused. I don't know whether or not to be extremely worried about this or not.

You should be a bit worried.

Net Neutrality basically states that ISP's like Comcast and at&t cannot discriminate on they're consumer's browsing habits. Now, this whole subject has spawned a company rights debate/consumer rights debate.

A fuck ton of tech companies like Imgur and Reddit are against repealing net neutrality. Really, the only people who support this is are Pajeet pie, Comcast, At&t and some Americans.

[Luminesa]

Like Tinfect said, this is happening in Portugal:

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This. This is what we must call for revolution over should it ever comes to us. We must not bow down this corporate take over of the internet. What has ever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death"? You guys are taking the internet for granted of you aren't thinking of taking to he streets should he internet ever become like cable TV for us.

Relevant

Instead of calling for revolution any time you're dissatisfied, why don't you just follow the democratic process? What is so difficult to understand about the fact that the more you call for "revolution" for everything, the less people are going to listen and take you seriously? Keep in mind, the man you are quoting (Patrick Henry) literally got off his butt, went out of his house, and made one of the most powerful speeches we as Americans have. If you want to even begin to compare your calls for revolution to one of the speech of one of the heroes of the American Revolution, you need to first go and actually do something productive. Keep writing to the FCC. Keep spreading the news and tell people to vote for net neutrality. Don't march around throwing a fit, you're only spinning your wheels.

[Hurdergaryp]

I'm honestly confused. I don't know whether or not to be extremely worried about this or not.

Don't worry about it. Soon you won't have the (soon unaffordable) bandwidth anymore to actually manifest yourself online, everything will become a lot simpler then. People managed to survive and prosper before the internet became available to the public, after all.

[The Flutterlands]

I'm honestly confused. I don't know whether or not to be extremely worried about this or not.

[The Flutterlands]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.invers ... -going-die

Fuck these guys. Fuck all kinds of duck...

[The Flutterlands]

This. This is what we must call for revolution over should it ever comes to us. We must not bow down this corporate take over of the internet. What has ever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death"? You guys are taking the internet for granted of you aren't thinking of taking to he streets should he internet ever become like cable TV for us.

Relevant

Instead of calling for revolution any time you're dissatisfied, why don't you just follow the democratic process? What is so difficult to understand about the fact that the more you call for "revolution" for everything, the less people are going to listen and take you seriously? Keep in mind, the man you are quoting (Patrick Henry) literally got off his butt, went out of his house, and made one of the most powerful speeches we as Americans have. If you want to even begin to compare your calls for revolution to one of the speech of one of the heroes of the American Revolution, you need to first go and actually do something productive. Keep writing to the FCC. Keep spreading the news and tell people to vote for net neutrality.Don't march around throwing a fit, you're only spinning your wheels.

We can't simply vote for net neutrality! We are not the ones voting for or against this! It's those FCC fucks that are voting against our outcry to take away the internet freedoms that are rightfully ours.

I'll repeat what I have been saying all along: The point is to stop them from repealing net neutrality, not letting them do it so we may pit it back a fucking decade or so. Net Neutrality now and and forever is the end goal.

Also, about it being bad for business, I don't think they care because it would be good for their evil masters, the ISPs.

[Irona]

Will this have any impact outside the US?

[The Flutterlands]

Will this have any impact outside the US?

Maybe. You have any internet friends in the U.S?

[Albrenia]

Choking off access to areas of the internet seems like a good way to lose customers to those who don't do such things.

[The Flutterlands]

Choking off access to areas of the internet seems like a good way to lose customers to those who don't do such things.

Not in a duopoly

[Purpelia]

Will this have any impact outside the US?

Sadly yes.
1. The american market is by far the largest open internet market in the world. China and Russia are both competitors for size but content from those region tends to be far more localized. As a result, the vast majority of content and more crucially content hosting services tend to be centered on catering to america. And a monopoly of the american market ensures without any doubt the wealth and power to overwhelm any external competitors in the west. Thus any anti competitive practices that will inevitably arise from this will tend to effect the western world disproportionately.

In simple terms things like a viable alternative to youtube and google for the west will wither and die because they are being sabotaged by youtube and google on the american market and the rest of the west is not a large enough market to keep them competitive.

2. It sets a dangerous legal precedent that will, like all disgusting free market things, metastasize into the rest of the western world as well. Corporations, after all are a global evil and not an american one. And once they get a taste for american blood you can bet they will try and bleed the rest of us dry as well.

[The Flutterlands]

Will this have any impact outside the US?

Sadly yes.
1. The american market is by far the largest open internet market in the world. China and Russia are both competitors for size but content from those region tends to be far more localized. As a result, the vast majority of content and more crucially content hosting services tend to be centered on catering to america. And thus any anti competitive practices that will inevitably arise from this will tend to effect the western world disproportionately.

In simple terms things like a viable alternative to youtube and google for the west will wither and die because they are being sabotaged by youtube and google on the american market and the rest of the west is not a large enough market to keep them competitive.

2. It sets a dangerous legal precedent that will, like all disgusting free market things, metastasize into the rest of the western world as well. Corporations, after all are a global evil and not an american one. And once they get a taste for american blood you can bet they will try and bleed the rest of us dry as well.

So why can't we have a revolt to stop this? Every one who cares about this are explaining why this is so awful yet people prefer to just let it happen thinking we'll get it back one day. What if that day never comes? What is so wrong about actually fighting this literal tooth and nail?

[Purpelia]

So why can't we have a revolt to stop this? Every one who cares about this are explaining why this is so awful yet people prefer to just let it happen thinking we'll get it back one day. What if that day never comes?

I don't know. Frankly I say go for it.

You can't really expect me to help as that would require literally traveling across an ocean to engage in a foreign civil war which my country would probably sharply disprove off leading to a chain of events that would frankly make it impossible for me to enjoy the fruits of a potential victory thus making my participation counterproductive from a personal standpoint. But you do have my full moral support, as worthless as that is.

[Albrenia]

This does seem like a bad thing, but I don't know what the answer is.

Violent revolution won't help anybody though.

[Purpelia]

This does seem like a bad thing, but I don't know what the answer is.

Violent revolution won't help anybody though.

That's not a given. Violent revolution is after all just one of the ways to get things done in terms of enacting change in a society. It's just a tool. Like a shovel or a hammer or a gun. It's what you do with a tool that helps or harms people and not the tool it self. And there is a good argument to be made that extraordinary ends justify extraordinary means.

Again, I can't argue one way or the other as I lack futurevision or a crystal ball and am no statistician. But I will defend vehemently that unless one of us her does or is we can't say either way.