Red Alert: internet freedom under attack this Thanksgiving

[The Flutterlands]

I am making a comparison between the nature of the two...

They’re not comparable.

Okay, can I compare with thieves or any other kind of criminal?

[Salandriagado]

Ah no worries.

The problem? What do you do with both do the same thing?

Well that'd (I believe, could be wrong - not my area of expertise) fall under monopolistic practices and be subject to Trust-busting.

No it wouldn't. Not in the slightest. Two companies both making the same good business decisions in the same circumstances is not illegal.

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

Okay, some of you might not understand or care unless I make it personal here. So I will. I will use this very site as an example of what might happen without Net Neutrality.

Without Net Neutrality, NationStates itself may not be able to function. Unless it has a lot of revenue coming in, there is a good chance it won't be able to pay off all the ISPs in America. If NS doesn't pay off the American ISPs, there is a good chance not a single person in America will be able to access the website at all. If they DO pay off the American ISPs, there is a good chance the site will be bleeding money for a long time as the corporations demand larger and larger bribes.

First of all, take a chill pill. Second, if it bothers you so much, stop saying, “F this” and “F him” and write to Congress. Write to your representatives. Continue to write to the FCC. Actually educate people, instead of ranting and screaming and calling everyone to arms. An informed citizen who knows how democracy works has no reason to do so.

I understand you dislike what Flutterlands is doing, and I know you are trying to help them, but I'm not sure if that is the way to do that either. (I mean, your suggestions are not bad ones, but saying "take a chill pill" is not going to help anyone.)

[Len Hyet]

Ah no worries.

The problem? What do you do with both do the same thing?

Where did you get those numbers? The majority of statics are completely fabricated. Source or I won't believe that "70%" crap. Particularly seeing as most ISPs run in a functional monopoly, where very little of their coverage areas overlap.

I already linked you the source in my reply to you.

[Len Hyet]

Well that'd (I believe, could be wrong - not my area of expertise) fall under monopolistic practices and be subject to Trust-busting.

No it wouldn't. Not in the slightest. Two companies both making the same good business decisions in the same circumstances is not illegal.

No, but YouTube purchasing enhanced streaming on all ISPs to throttle competition is.

[Luminesa]

They’re not comparable.

Okay, can I compare with thieves or any other kind of criminal?

Sure. But it’s not comparable to rape.

[Luminesa]

Okay, some of you might not understand or care unless I make it personal here. So I will. I will use this very site as an example of what might happen without Net Neutrality.

Without Net Neutrality, NationStates itself may not be able to function. Unless it has a lot of revenue coming in, there is a good chance it won't be able to pay off all the ISPs in America. If NS doesn't pay off the American ISPs, there is a good chance not a single person in America will be able to access the website at all. If they DO pay off the American ISPs, there is a good chance the site will be bleeding money for a long time as the corporations demand larger and larger bribes.

First of all, take a chill pill. Second, if it bothers you so much, stop saying, “F this” and “F him” and write to Congress. Write to your representatives. Continue to write to the FCC. Actually educate people, instead of ranting and screaming and calling everyone to arms. An informed citizen who knows how democracy works has no reason to do so.

I understand you dislike what Flutterlands is doing, and I know you are trying to help them, but I'm not sure if that is the way to do that either. (I mean, your suggestions are not bad ones, but saying "take a chill pill" is not going to help anyone.)

He’s really not been listening to reason, and calls for violent revolution are not constructive.

[The Flutterlands]

Okay, some of you might not understand or care unless I make it personal here. So I will. I will use this very site as an example of what might happen without Net Neutrality.

Without Net Neutrality, NationStates itself may not be able to function. Unless it has a lot of revenue coming in, there is a good chance it won't be able to pay off all the ISPs in America. If NS doesn't pay off the American ISPs, there is a good chance not a single person in America will be able to access the website at all. If they DO pay off the American ISPs, there is a good chance the site will be bleeding money for a long time as the corporations demand larger and larger bribes.



I understand you dislike what Flutterlands is doing, and I know you are trying to help them, but I'm not sure if that is the way to do that either. (I mean, your suggestions are not bad ones, but saying "take a chill pill" is not going to help anyone.)

He’s really not been listening to reason, and calls for violent revolution are not constructive.

Because nothing you consider to be constructive will work in this day and age, nothing more than a flood of lawsuits, but even that is uncertain. I seek to plan the last resort.

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

He’s really not been listening to reason, and calls for violent revolution are not constructive.

And calling people out on this isn't constructive either.

We stand divided right now. That is what the FCC, Congress, big corporations, and politicians in general WANT. That ALLOWS THEM to get away with things like this.

We need to UNITE. We need to come to understandings. We need to be informed, and inform others. We need to work together.

United we stand, divided we fall.

[Salandriagado]

No it wouldn't. Not in the slightest. Two companies both making the same good business decisions in the same circumstances is not illegal.

No, but YouTube purchasing enhanced streaming on all ISPs to throttle competition is.

Nah, Google can afford to make that go away with maybe a minor fine.

[The Flutterlands]

He’s really not been listening to reason, and calls for violent revolution are not constructive.

And calling people out on this isn't constructive either.

We stand divided right now. That is what the FCC, Congress, big corporations, and politicians in general WANT. That ALLOWS THEM to get away with things like this.

We need to UNITE. We need to come to understandings. We need to be informed, and inform others. We need to work together.

United we stand, divided we fall.

We must grab our pitchforks and torches. We will have to go to war against these people (not a violent one). I refuse to be extorted. I refuse to be bribed. I refuse to give up my right to a free and open internet.

[Farnhamia]

He’s really not been listening to reason, and calls for violent revolution are not constructive.

Because nothing you consider to be constructive will work in this day and age, nothing more than a flood of lawsuits, but even that is uncertain. I seek to plan the last resort.

Think carefully before answering this question, are you calling for the extra-judicial killing of Ajit Pai and others in government who might lessen net neutrality? I say think because you are on very, very thin ice here.

[The Flutterlands]

Because nothing you consider to be constructive will work in this day and age, nothing more than a flood of lawsuits, but even that is uncertain. I seek to plan the last resort.

Think carefully before answering this question, are you calling for the extra-judicial killing of Ajit Pai and others in government who might lessen net neutrality? I say think because you are on very, very thin ice here.

No... I don't know what we can do aside from the flood of law suits except for mass protest. Extra-judicial killing would be the wrong way to act...

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

Think carefully before answering this question, are you calling for the extra-judicial killing of Ajit Pai and others in government who might lessen net neutrality? I say think because you are on very, very thin ice here.

No... I don't know what we can do aside from the flood of law suits except for mass protest.

You're heart's in a good place, Flutterlands. That's more than I can say for a lot of people. You're just frustrated by how powerless you feel in all this, yes?

Ironic, considering democracy was about giving power to the people, and in the modern age it is nigh impossible for the citizens to change things in a democratic society.

[Chernoslavia]

Then maybe they should wisen the fuck up and switch sides. And if I tried to start shit it would’ve worked.

Funny how even if Republicans are the ones pushing something it's always the 'leftists' fault. I don't see how switching sides to the ones pushing it would help to stop it.

They have also supported the proposed gun control bill that would ban bump fire stocks, another thing that leftists typically support. I don’t see how this invalidates my argument. These are things that left wingers tend to support, the fact that some republicans are in on this doesn’t change that in the slightest.

[Farnhamia]

Think carefully before answering this question, are you calling for the extra-judicial killing of Ajit Pai and others in government who might lessen net neutrality? I say think because you are on very, very thin ice here.

No... I don't know what we can do aside from the flood of law suits except for mass protest.

Good answer. You have got to calm down with your posts here. That ice I referred to is not just in this thread.

[The Flutterlands]

No... I don't know what we can do aside from the flood of law suits except for mass protest.

You're heart's in a good place, Flutterlands. That's more than I can say for a lot of people. You're just frustrated by how powerless you feel in all this, yes?

Ironic, considering democracy was about giving power to the people, and in the modern age it is nigh impossible for the citizens to change things in a democratic society.

Which is why I suggest a riot or something that doesn't involve killing. Because if we can't change things democratically, why not make change by force?

[Chernoslavia]

Which leftists have tried to do for a very long time, what’s your fucking point? Don’t whine, just wise up and switch side or drown in your own ignorance. Frankly, I don’t care which.

Stop lying.

How bout you stop being in denial.

[Len Hyet]

You're heart's in a good place, Flutterlands. That's more than I can say for a lot of people. You're just frustrated by how powerless you feel in all this, yes?

Ironic, considering democracy was about giving power to the people, and in the modern age it is nigh impossible for the citizens to change things in a democratic society.

Which is why I suggest a riot. Because if we can't change things Democratically, why not make change by force?

[Albrenia]

Funny how even if Republicans are the ones pushing something it's always the 'leftists' fault. I don't see how switching sides to the ones pushing it would help to stop it.

They have also supported the proposed gun control bill that would ban bump fire stocks, another thing that leftists typically support. I don’t see how this invalidates my argument. These are things that left wingers tend to support, the fact that some republicans are in on this doesn’t change that in the slightest.

Well you can't just say 'switch sides' when the other side is doing the same thing, right?

Also can't blame 'leftists' if the 'rightists' are also playing for the same team.

[The Flutterlands]

Which is why I suggest a riot. Because if we can't change things Democratically, why not make change by force?

I don't know what else to think of...

Positive change is so slow yet the horrible change is coming at train speed...

[Independant Nations and Guilds]

Well you can't just say 'switch sides' when the other side is doing the same thing, right?

Also can't blame 'leftists' if the 'rightists' are also playing for the same team.

This isn't about the right. This isn't about the left. This is about the internet, and everything on it.

[The Flutterlands]

Well you can't just say 'switch sides' when the other side is doing the same thing, right?

Also can't blame 'leftists' if the 'rightists' are also playing for the same team.

This isn't about the right. This isn't about the left. This is about the internet, and everything on it.

Exactly. I feel like too much is at stake.

I contacted my senators and my representative twice already. However I think it is all for naught...

[Len Hyet]

I don't know what else to think of...

Positive change is so slow yet the horrible change is coming at train speed...

Well for starters we can make change democratically.

Secondly because a riot won't change anything.

[The Flutterlands]

I don't know what else to think of...

Positive change is so slow yet the horrible change is coming at train speed...

Well for starters we can make change democratically.
Secondly because a riot won't change anything.

Not at the rate I want...