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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:06 am

Skylus wrote:Does anyone know how this would affect those with Comcast? (Me, for instance)


How often do you call and scream at them?
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Postby Coalition of North American States » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:11 am

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Skylus wrote:Does anyone know how this would affect those with Comcast? (Me, for instance)

To put it plainly Comcast Internet could become like Comcast Cable, where your favorite websites would be bunched up into packages that you have to pay extra for to add to your basic internet package.

That would be terrible.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:23 am

Skylus wrote:Does anyone know how this would affect those with Comcast? (Me, for instance)


Your modem would be exchanged for electrified hamsters emitting internet frequencies by uninterruptedly running around a magnetised wheel. Should you try to independently verify this, the system will detonate to remove evidence. It's the evilest evil, it's anti-consumer, it's anti-Constitution, and most of all it's anti-American.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:46 am

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The Flutterlands wrote:To put it plainly Comcast Internet could become like Comcast Cable, where your favorite websites would be bunched up into packages that you have to pay extra for to add to your basic internet package.

That would be terrible.

And also the worst and most likely impossible scenario
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:42 am

Dejanic wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:This is what leftists support.

Yeah giving corporations power over areas of the internet and removing net equality is a leftist idea.


Which leftists have tried to do for a very long time, what’s your fucking point? Don’t whine, just wise up and switch side or drown in your own ignorance. Frankly, I don’t care which.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:45 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:And anime.


Tbqh if it makes anime harder to get I fully support anything they come up with.

I say we replace all anime in America with collectible Japanese small arms.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:46 am

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Chernoslavia wrote:This is what leftists support.

Except for all the ones that don't. Nice try starting a fire though


Then maybe they should wisen the fuck up and switch sides. And if I tried to start shit it would’ve worked.
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Postby Chuukango » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:47 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Yeah giving corporations power over areas of the internet and removing net equality is a leftist idea.


Which leftists have tried to do for a very long time, what’s your fucking point?

As someone who is fairly Liberal/Leftist I can at least say on my behalf that I don’t support this, I can say with a fair bit of confidence that a good portion of of Liberals/Leftists wouldn’t support this idea. At the end of the day, however, “leftist” is just a label, like “conservative,”or “white,” another way for people to divide “us,” from “them,” if you will. But that’s a whole other topic.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:54 am

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh if it makes anime harder to get I fully support anything they come up with.

I say we replace all anime in America with collectible Japanese small arms.

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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:That's an overreaction.


not really

Thermodolia wrote:And also illegal.


ok you've convinced me,...

Thermodolia wrote:Congress isn't doing this, it's a independent regulatory agency.


The FCC needs congress approval
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:56 am

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The Flutterlands wrote:Your sarcasm has been noted. It is just that this is all very important to me...

And if you don't watch the news, Ajit Pai will kill and eat you, like a tiger.

I thought Life of Pai was supposed to be a family movie.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:04 am

Said it before, will say it again.

ISPs and big corporations want to make your service more shit to get more money.

You get nothing as a benefit from this.

Ted Cruz, who was an advocate for the removal of net neutrality, was in Comcast's pocket when he was advocating for it.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:30 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:What happened to unplugging for a week?

Unplugging would be turning my back to the pouncing tiger....


But what of the hidden dragon?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:54 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Said it before, will say it again.

ISPs and big corporations want to make your service more shit to get more money.

You get nothing as a benefit from this.

Ted Cruz, who was an advocate for the removal of net neutrality, was in Comcast's pocket when he was advocating for it.

Comcast? Even more reason to hate Ted Cruz.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:56 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:This is what leftists support.


Thats why is being pushed under a Republican congress.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:58 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Except for all the ones that don't. Nice try starting a fire though


Then maybe they should wisen the fuck up and switch sides. And if I tried to start shit it would’ve worked.


Funny how even if Republicans are the ones pushing something it's always the 'leftists' fault. I don't see how switching sides to the ones pushing it would help to stop it.

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Postby Saiwania » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:05 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:To put it plainly Comcast Internet could become like Comcast Cable, where your favorite websites would be bunched up into packages that you have to pay extra for to add to your basic internet package.


Are there any real world examples of this happening that bear this out? Or is it just theoretical fear mongering? Until not having net neutrality has been tried, I've yet to be convinced that net neutrality is necessary.
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Postby Tinfect » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:37 pm

Saiwania wrote:Are there any real world examples of this happening that bear this out? Or is it just theoretical fear mongering? Until not having net neutrality has been tried, I've yet to be convinced that net neutrality is necessary.


If memory serves, this is actually happening in Portugal.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:41 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:To put it plainly Comcast Internet could become like Comcast Cable, where your favorite websites would be bunched up into packages that you have to pay extra for to add to your basic internet package.


Are there any real world examples of this happening that bear this out? Or is it just theoretical fear mongering? Until not having net neutrality has been tried, I've yet to be convinced that net neutrality is necessary.

Bundling website packages? Not per se.

There are real world examples of service providers blocking the competition and websites that may be critical of the company.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:42 pm

Actually I heard they moved it to December, really the FCC keeps moving the due date of this supposed decision one month ahead every single time the deadline comes up, it's almost like they're deliberately trying to burn everyone who protests them out by simply delaying it until all the people protesting are too burned out to fight.

It'd be like saying "Because you begged and pleded weren't not going to Execute you... today, we'll do it tomorrow instead!"

And then you beg and plea the next day so they delay it another day, and then they keep doing it until you're too exhausted to beg and say "Because you didn't say anything about it I guess this means you're fine with us executing you then"
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Calm down and take a breather.

Remember this isn't permanent and congress can change anything it wants to. Besides even if the rules change it will take 6 months to a year before anything noticeable happens. Things can't change overnight, the real world is not like NS where you click a button and your issue becomes reality. Things take time

This.

So basically, Flutter, you didn't listen to a single person in the Trump Thread who told you about how net neutrality actually works. Then you made a thread to continue shouting about how this is the most important issue in America, and how everyone who isn't throwing a massive fit doesn't understand the issue.

Therm makes a good point. There's no telling where this will go in the next year. It might even get rescinded, if it's proven to be bad for business.
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Postby Iceland-Greenland Union » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Saiwania wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:To put it plainly Comcast Internet could become like Comcast Cable, where your favorite websites would be bunched up into packages that you have to pay extra for to add to your basic internet package.


Are there any real world examples of this happening that bear this out? Or is it just theoretical fear mongering? Until not having net neutrality has been tried, I've yet to be convinced that net neutrality is necessary.


Like Tinfect said, this is happening in Portugal:
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Postby Rostavykhan » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:28 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Calm down and take a breather.

Remember this isn't permanent and congress can change anything it wants to. Besides even if the rules change it will take 6 months to a year before anything noticeable happens. Things can't change overnight, the real world is not like NS where you click a button and your issue becomes reality. Things take time

This.

So basically, Flutter, you didn't listen to a single person in the Trump Thread who told you about how net neutrality actually works. Then you made a thread to continue shouting about how this is the most important issue in America, and how everyone who isn't throwing a massive fit doesn't understand the issue.

Therm makes a good point. There's no telling where this will go in the next year. It might even get rescinded, if it's proven to be bad for business.


I'd still say it's a major issue to be riled up over.

Then again, I've never supported the idea of giving corporations control over the internet.

Also, the FCC can suck it, but that's just an unrelated jab at them because I think they're unnecessary.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:31 pm

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Luminesa wrote:This.

So basically, Flutter, you didn't listen to a single person in the Trump Thread who told you about how net neutrality actually works. Then you made a thread to continue shouting about how this is the most important issue in America, and how everyone who isn't throwing a massive fit doesn't understand the issue.

Therm makes a good point. There's no telling where this will go in the next year. It might even get rescinded, if it's proven to be bad for business.


I'd still say it's a major issue to be riled up over.

Then again, I've never supported the idea of giving corporations control over the internet.

Also, the FCC can suck it, but that's just an unrelated jab at them because I think they're unnecessary.

This.

I'll calm down about everything that is going on like this when threats like these are gone once and for all. I will cry out against this power grab over what we can say and do on the internet and I will not rest till it is defeated now and forever, ether by legislation, Supreme Court ruling or Constitutional amendment.

There is too much at stake to relax in this time of internet crisis.
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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:38 pm

Skylus wrote:What exactly is net neutrality? I've been hearing it for a while, but I am really unsure as to what it actually is.

And what exactly is going to happen to it?

(senior in high school, don't go crazy please)


At present, internet providers are obliged to treat all traffic equally: in particular, if you buy internet access from them, that means equal access to all of the internet. This is net neutrality: the ISPs have to be neutral as to what you do on the net. Without this law, they can do things like:
1) If they happen to own a video streaming service (or are being paid off by a particular streaming service), blocking or severely bottlenecking all competing video streaming services (that is: you suddenly can't get Netflix because Amazon paid your ISP more money).
2) Charging extra to access popular websites (want to get on facebook? That'll be an extra $10 / month, thanks).
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