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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:16 am

http://mashable.com/2017/11/17/net-neutrality-thanksgiving/#iS260MNXQmqo

The FCC is quietly about to announce a major change right before Thanksgiving

There's a simple art to releasing bad news — do it when the fewest people are looking.

That's the game plan the U.S. government's media regulator is reportedly following to release its plan to destroy net neutrality rules. The Federal Communications Commission is expected to drop its new plan on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving. The rules could be voted on by mid-December, leaving the door open for internet providers to begin manipulating traffic.

It's a devilishly brilliant plan by the FCC and its chairman, Ajit Pai, who has made no secret of his wish to undo the benchmark rules put in place during Barack Obama's presidency. There will inevitably be plenty of people already enjoying their holiday break, and any major coverage on Wednesday will then be lost to a day of turkey, gravy, football, and indigestion, followed by three more days in which people won't be looking at the news.

This is the challenge that net neutrality advocates are facing, and they know it. Evan Greer, campaign director at Fight for the Future, posted on Reddit a month ago to start drumming up support.

"There's a reason that Pai is releasing a plan that he knows will be overwhelmingly unpopular with voters from across the political spectrum on one of the busiest travel days of the year when many journalists are out of the office," Greer wrote in an email.

Net neutrality is the concept that the internet should be an even playing field. Whether it's your cousin's blog or Google, net neutrality proponents argue all data should flow the same, meaning no particular persons or companies can be favored by the networks on which the data flows. That keeps big companies from paying for preferential treatment.

This is how the internet has generally operated, but as more services move online, concerns have grown that internet service providers will want to start charging for better access. Net neutrality supporters argue that this would turn the internet into a pay-to-play world, hampering innovations and leaving people to the whims of major companies.


Pai has been working to repeal the FCC's net neutrality rules since the start of his time as chairman, a position to which President Donald Trump appointed him after Pai served as a commissioner under Obama. Pai floated initial rules in May, which led into the usual comment period that FCC rule changes go through.

That process was a disaster, including accusations that the comment system had been manipulated with automated submissions. The FCC has ignored records requests over this situation and now faces a lawsuit over the fiasco. Studies have found near unanimous support among non-form comments for the existing net neutrality rules.

The lack of support for Pai's move informs the tactics with which he's been pushing the news rules. Greer noted that this isn't the first time they've dealt with this.

"That said, we're pretty used to government agencies trying to hide their misdeeds and avoid the news cycle," he wrote. "One of the things that makes the Internet so great is that it makes it much harder for them to do that. We'll be sure to sound the alarm online when Pai's plan comes out, and we'll be encouraging everyone to call their members of Congress and demand that they actually read the plan and have an intelligent position on what's in it."

An FCC spokesperson declined to comment for this story.

Sounding the alarm, however, isn't that easy to do—especially in the time frame required. Net neutrality advocates will have about three weeks before the December 15 meeting in which the FCC is expected to vote. Pai has thus far shown no interest in hearing from such advocates.

This has led Fight for the Future to focus on getting people to reach out to Congress. The organization set up http://www.battleforthenet.com as a place where people can easily call their representatives and encourage them to slow the FCC's efforts.

"Pai has made it clear he doesn't care what the public, or tech experts, or small businesses, or anyone else other than big telecom companies think," Greeg wrote. "But he has to answer to Congress, so the best way for people to make their voices heard right now is to contact their lawmakers and tell them to stop the FCC from voting on this absurd proposal."


This really pisses me off to no fucking end. The free and open internet is essential to our first amendment rights. The internet is the pinnacle of free speech and free expression. It would have crime against the American people to take that away from us by making greedy, evil ISPs the gatekeepers of the internet. The worse part is that they know they are doing something unpopular, but they don't fucking care. Fuck these guys.

It seems that only the Court can help us here. I just can't see the 115th Congress, making up of a majority of bat shit insane Republican Officals, stopping Ajit Pai, as they support what he is doing.

Thoughts on this? Doesn't this scare the shit out of you and piss you off to no end?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:24 am

Calm down and take a breather.

Remember this isn't permanent and congress can change anything it wants to. Besides even if the rules change it will take 6 months to a year before anything noticeable happens. Things can't change overnight, the real world is not like NS where you click a button and your issue becomes reality. Things take time
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:28 am

Uh oh, that's gonna make pirating anime a lot trickier, huh? :^)
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Postby Naval Monte » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:29 am

Wow just as I made mines this was made. But I'm glad this was made regardless, gonna delete mines now.

Thermodolia wrote:Calm down and take a breather.

Remember this isn't permanent and congress can change anything it wants to. Besides even if the rules change it will take 6 months to a year before anything noticeable happens. Things can't change overnight, the real world is not like NS where you click a button and your issue becomes reality. Things take time


The issue here is that we have companies here who would want to make sure that not only this law is pass but would want to make sure congress never repeals it since it is more advantageous for them to remove net neutrality.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:31 am

What happened to unplugging for a week?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:33 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:What happened to unplugging for a week?

Unplugging would be turning my back to the pouncing tiger....
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:34 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:What happened to unplugging for a week?

Unplugging would be turning my back to the pouncing tiger....

And anime.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:35 am

Naval Monte wrote:Wow just as I made mines this was made. But I'm glad this was made regardless, gonna delete mines now.

Thermodolia wrote:Calm down and take a breather.

Remember this isn't permanent and congress can change anything it wants to. Besides even if the rules change it will take 6 months to a year before anything noticeable happens. Things can't change overnight, the real world is not like NS where you click a button and your issue becomes reality. Things take time


The issue here is that we have companies here who would want to make sure that not only this law is pass but would want to make sure congress never repeals it since it is more advantageous for them to remove net neutrality.

Well the FCC is a creature of Congress. So they can't tell Congress what to do. However, they might be able to preexempt states from passing their own state net neutrality laws. Which means "state rights" my ass.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:35 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:What happened to unplugging for a week?

Unplugging would be turning my back to the pouncing tiger....

Yes, you and you alone are key to defeating the evil Republicans. Help us, Obi Wan Flutterlands, you're our only hope.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:35 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Unplugging would be turning my back to the pouncing tiger....

And anime.


Tbqh if it makes anime harder to get I fully support anything they come up with.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Unplugging would be turning my back to the pouncing tiger....

Yes, you and you alone are key to defeating the evil Republicans. Help us, Obi Wan Flutterlands, you're our only hope.

Your sarcasm has been noted. It is just that this is all very important to me...
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:38 am

Naval Monte wrote:Wow just as I made mines this was made. But I'm glad this was made regardless, gonna delete mines now.

Thermodolia wrote:Calm down and take a breather.

Remember this isn't permanent and congress can change anything it wants to. Besides even if the rules change it will take 6 months to a year before anything noticeable happens. Things can't change overnight, the real world is not like NS where you click a button and your issue becomes reality. Things take time


The issue here is that we have companies here who would want to make sure that not only this law is pass but would want to make sure congress never repeals it since it is more advantageous for them to remove net neutrality.

Congress doesn't have to repeal anything. All they have to do is pass a law say no the FCC can't do that
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:38 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes, you and you alone are key to defeating the evil Republicans. Help us, Obi Wan Flutterlands, you're our only hope.

Your sarcasm has been noted. It is just that this is all very important to me...

Then get a blog
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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Naval Monte wrote:Wow just as I made mines this was made. But I'm glad this was made regardless, gonna delete mines now.



The issue here is that we have companies here who would want to make sure that not only this law is pass but would want to make sure congress never repeals it since it is more advantageous for them to remove net neutrality.

Congress doesn't have to repeal anything. All they have to do is pass a law say no the FCC can't do that

I don't trust Congress to do that. With gerrymandering, Republicans will be in power till at least next Presidential Election.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:41 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes, you and you alone are key to defeating the evil Republicans. Help us, Obi Wan Flutterlands, you're our only hope.

Your sarcasm has been noted. It is just that this is all very important to me...

And if you don't watch the news, Ajit Pai will kill and eat you, like a tiger.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Your sarcasm has been noted. It is just that this is all very important to me...

And if you don't watch the news, Ajit Pai will kill and eat you, like a tiger.


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Postby The Flutterlands » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Your sarcasm has been noted. It is just that this is all very important to me...

And if you don't watch the news, Ajit Pai will kill and eat you, like a tiger.

Simile and metaphors, much?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:43 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Congress doesn't have to repeal anything. All they have to do is pass a law say no the FCC can't do that

I don't trust Congress to do that. With gerrymandering, Republicans will be in power till at least next Presidential Election.

I highly doubt that. The house is going to be at least under democratic control
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:47 am

Just organise a mass mob and forcibly imprison any congressman who took more than 8 cents from Comcast.

Internet in the UK is by far the worst in Europe but one cannot fathom how the US manages to be 100x worse, especially if this is to pass.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:13 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And if you don't watch the news, Ajit Pai will kill and eat you, like a tiger.

Simile and metaphors, much?

Except you clearly don't think it's just a metaphor. You're always going on about how if this isn't stopped right now it'll be too late, free speech will be gone, democracy will have failed, there'll be no recourse by revolution. Ajit Pai isn't coming to kill you, though. Calm the fuck down.
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Postby Skylus » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:17 am

What exactly is net neutrality? I've been hearing it for a while, but I am really unsure as to what it actually is.

And what exactly is going to happen to it?

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:24 am

Skylus wrote:What exactly is net neutrality? I've been hearing it for a while, but I am really unsure as to what it actually is.

And what exactly is going to happen to it?

(senior in high school, don't go crazy please)

Basically, it means that the ISP's (Internet Service Providers, i.e. Comcast, Verison) have to provide the same speed regardless of what site you're going to.
Without it, it could mean that they can charge extra to get the same speeds for Netflix or Youtube that you would get for every other site.

It's why you see people like Netflix also campaigning for Net Neutrality cause it means that ISP's could choke them for more money by restricting their bandwidth like they have already
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:25 am

Trumptonium wrote:Just organise a mass mob and forcibly imprison any congressman who took more than 8 cents from Comcast.

That's an overreaction. And also illegal.

Internet in the UK is by far the worst in Europe but one cannot fathom how the US manages to be 100x worse, especially if this is to pass.

Congress isn't doing this, it's a independent regulatory agency.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Skylus » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:25 am

Alvecia wrote:
Skylus wrote:What exactly is net neutrality? I've been hearing it for a while, but I am really unsure as to what it actually is.

And what exactly is going to happen to it?

(senior in high school, don't go crazy please)

Basically, it means that the ISP's (Internet Service Providers, i.e. Comcast, Verison) have to provide the same speed regardless of what site you're going to.
Without it, it could mean that they can charge extra to get the same speeds for Netflix or Youtube that you would get for every other site.

It's why you see people like Netflix also campaigning for Net Neutrality cause it means that ISP's could choke them for more money by restricting their bandwidthlike they have already


So no matter what internet provider you have, you're going to have to pay extra to visit sites that don't have the same loading speed?
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