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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:06 pm

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Operator ‘deeply’ sorry for inconvenience to passengers after the 9.44.40am Tsukuba Express pulled away at 9.44.20am
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The operator of a private railway firm that serves the Tokyo suburbs has issued an apology after one of its trains departed 20 seconds ahead of schedule.


Passengers boarding Tuesday’s 9.44.40am Tsukuba Express from Minami Nagareyama station, just north of Tokyo, were unaware anything was amiss when the train, which had arrived on time, pulled away from the platform at 9.44.20am.

The train’s operator, though, believed the foul-up was serious enough to warrant an apology. “We deeply apologise for the severe inconvenience imposed upon our customers,” the Metropolitan Intercity Railway Company said in a statement.

The train’s conductor had not properly checked the train’s timetable, the firm said, adding that the crew had been instructed to strictly follow procedure to prevent a recurrence.

Passengers who might have made the train had it left on time in fact suffered little inconvenience: the next one arrived just four minutes later.

While delays – even of just a minute – prompt profuse apologies by Japanese train operators, Metropolitan Intercity’s mea culpa drew inevitable, and unfavourable, comparisons with rail services in other countries.

The Tsukuba Express carries 130 million passengers a year between Akihabara in Tokyo and Tsukuba in Ibaraki prefecture, a journey of about 45 minutes.

Some on social media said early departures were not uncommon in Japan. While others lauded Japan’s super-efficient rail service as one of the country’s greatest attributes, the quest for punctuality can go tragically wrong.

In 2005, more than 100 people died and hundreds more were injured when a packed commuter train left the tracks and crashed into an apartment complex in western Japan.

The derailment occurred after the driver used excessive speed in an attempt to make up for a 90-second delay.

Rail unions blamed the crash on a culture of fear in which employees were subjected to humiliating punishments for committing minor errors such as arriving seconds late or slightly overrunning platforms.


At first this sounds like the Dirty Fork sketch comes to life.

But that culture of fear and insistence on 100% perfection leading to safety problems sounds bad.


So, what do you think NSG?

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Postby Rangila » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:08 pm

My bus sometimes doesnt show up at all, or is half an hour late.

They dont apologise.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:10 pm

Things would be dire for the manager if that happened in 30s or 40s Italy.
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Postby Donut section » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:11 pm

Meh the only use I ever had for public transport was bus stops/ train stations are a great place to hit up people for change when you're homeless.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:14 pm

The train may have been early, but this news is late. It was reported by the BBC three days ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42009839
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Postby Albrenia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:16 pm

A train is never late or early - it arrives precisely when it intends to.

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Postby Community Values » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:17 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:Things would be dire for the manager if that happened in 30s or 40s Italy.

Or 30's-40's Japan, really
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:17 pm

Japanese railroads have safety processes that we follow. They for for the most part have an excellent safety record.

They also have some of the more interesting ideas on computer based train control that I have seen. I would love to spend a week talking to them about how they design their signalling and SCADA networks. I admire the job they do.
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Postby Qandaristania » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:18 pm

I was waiting for a bus who was an hour late. Yet no apologizes were seen anywhere.
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Bakery Hill wrote:Their system's fucked, privatise the lot.

... They are. That was JR.
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Postby Almonaster Nuevo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:37 pm

Standards vary a lot between different rail lines in Japan. One of my first experiences was taking the Narita express into Tokyo, and having the conductor come round to bow and apologise to every carriage because the cleaners had taken too long to clean the train and it was 32 seconds late pulling out.

Later, on less prestigious lines (e.g. Toyama to Niigata), the train rattled along up to 20 minutes late and no-one batted an eyelid.


On the matter of safety first - I would say that Japan is less safety-conscious overall than most developed countries. The culture is also quite procedure-oriented, so management could turn it around quite quickly if they wanted to. The trouble is that delays are very visible (and hence embarrassing - big motivating factor), whereas safety precautions are not.
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Postby NERVUN » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Japanese railroads have safety processes that we follow. They for for the most part have an excellent safety record.

They also have some of the more interesting ideas on computer based train control that I have seen. I would love to spend a week talking to them about how they design their signalling and SCADA networks. I admire the job they do.

If I understand it correctly, they were apologizing that the safety protocols were not followed more than the 20 second early start.

That said, apologizing is a fact of life in Japan. You get used to it after a while. :p
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:45 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Japanese railroads have safety processes that we follow. They for for the most part have an excellent safety record.

They also have some of the more interesting ideas on computer based train control that I have seen. I would love to spend a week talking to them about how they design their signalling and SCADA networks. I admire the job they do.

If I understand it correctly, they were apologizing that the safety protocols were not followed more than the 20 second early start.

That said, apologizing is a fact of life in Japan. You get used to it after a while. :p


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Postby Collatis » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:49 pm

Rangila wrote:My bus sometimes doesnt show up at all, or is half an hour late.

They dont apologise.

I can relate. The Japanese have it easy.

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Bakery Hill wrote:Their system's fucked, privatise the lot.

Japan privatized their rail ages ago. Its why they are almost always on time.
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Greed and Death wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Their system's fucked, privatise the lot.

Japan privatized their rail ages ago. Its why they are almost always on time.

I 5hought tokyo metro was still public, (not sure mind you).
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NERVUN wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Their system's fucked, privatise the lot.

... They are. That was JR.

Oh shit, privatise it again.
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Bakery Hill wrote:
NERVUN wrote:... They are. That was JR.

Oh shit, privatise it again.


Nationalize it just to privatize it again.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:13 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Their system's fucked, privatise the lot.

Japan privatized their rail ages ago. Its why they are almost always on time.

By contrast, since British Rail was privatized in the 1990's, punctuality has not improved at all. From a base of 90% of trains arriving on time in 1998 before privatization, it was 88% in 2016 after privatization. And that is with investment going up nine-fold, from £698m in 1994–95 to £6.84bn in 2013–14. Go figure...
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The New California Republic wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Japan privatized their rail ages ago. Its why they are almost always on time.

By contrast, since British Rail was privatized in the 1990's, punctuality has not improved at all. From a base of 90% of trains arriving on time in 1998 before privatization, it was 88% in 2016 after privatization. And that is with investment going up nine-fold, from £698m in 1994–95 to £6.84bn in 2013–14. Go figure...

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:20 pm

Can this company please take over the Baltimore subway? Because the MTA treats shutting down part of the line and running buses between stations because someone got hit by a train on the one track that was actually open in the first place due to maintenance as a state secret...
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Greed and Death wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:By contrast, since British Rail was privatized in the 1990's, punctuality has not improved at all. From a base of 90% of trains arriving on time in 1998 before privatization, it was 88% in 2016 after privatization. And that is with investment going up nine-fold, from £698m in 1994–95 to £6.84bn in 2013–14. Go figure...

I speak from Experience on this. I got stuck at leuchars train station in Scotland for 2 hours because a train caught fire. The ticket conductors suggest everyone email Mr. Bronson about it since it was a virgin Atlantic train.

That is creepy as hell that you should mention that, I live near Leuchars, no joke! To be honest the line between Dundee and Edinburgh is always getting problems like that, a train hit a fallen tree on the line just 2 weeks ago.
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Greed and Death wrote:I speak from Experience on this. I got stuck at leuchars train station in Scotland for 2 hours because a train caught fire. The ticket conductors suggest everyone email Mr. Bronson about it since it was a virgin Atlantic train.

That is creepy as hell that you should mention that, I live near Leuchars, no joke! To be honest the line between Dundee and Edinburgh is always getting problems like that, a train hit a fallen tree on the line just 2 weeks ago.

I was visiting a girl in Saint Andrews I know. Some very nice pubs up there.
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