Would you fire him?

[Methodological Individualism]

Authoritarian management is not that. It's simply being able to tell everyone what they have to do, how to do it, and when. If they step out of line or are upset and acting erratic, you can call them out for it, but you really shouldn't threaten or do something to escalate the situation, that's poor conflict management skills.

Authoritarian management is an oxymoron. Or, at least, if a manager really needs to babysit its employees that much, it or the HR department really need to learn how to hire properly.

Once competent hiring is completed, a manager's job is to 1) proactively determine the resources its team needs to do their jobs, and acquire them, 2) distribute them, 3) get the hell out of the team's way, 4) go back to step 1.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I'd fire that employee. No matter how productive, such a man would have no place in my company if he cannot control himself and gives in to outbursts like that rather than expressing what bothers him in a civilized manner. If he's having some sort of personal problems, he can come talk to me, and if he's such a productive and otherwise good employee, I would have no reason not to give him a couple days off to blow off some steam. But if he insults me in the presence of other employees and I just let it slide, that is going to send a message that I don't have the balls to keep my workers in line and encourage more such incidents in the future. Not to mention that I wouldn't feel safe keeping around a guy who is prone to such sudden outbursts - the next time he's having a bad day, he might as well come to work with a gun and go on a shooting spree for all I know.

[Infected Mushroom]

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

Maybe in bizarro land.

Authoritarian management is about exerting authority by being the only point of authority in the company to your subordinates.

That doesn't mean however that I have to threaten my worker and him really calling my bluff and tell me to go fuck myself. Authoritarian management is not that. It's simply being able to tell everyone what they have to do, how to do it, and when. If they step out of line or are upset and acting erratic, you can call them out for it, but you really shouldn't threaten or do something to escalate the situation, that's poor conflict management skills.

Should I have an employee like yours the best thing I can do is tell them "look, I haven't done anything to you, but if you need to talk I'll be in my office" and leave. Although of course I wouldn't call their attention just because they seem pissed off, I'd just call their attention if they are not producing like they should.

In a perfect world maybe.

But we live in a world where people love to (and regularly) display their power over others in many ways. Issuing a warning/threat to others in the office is one of the "great rewards" of being a manager. There's got to be a reason why people are putting in the extra unpaid overtime and weekend works, the feigned interest, and all the sucking up for the promotions. Its not because they love The Office, its because they want to be able to take things out on others. You get promoted, the number of people you get to righteously lord over, bully, and size down has just multiplied in addition to bigger pay checks.

A large number of you on this forum may think you are above all of that, but you're not and if put into positions of power especially in a soulless corporate office after having endured The Boot for years, you'd very likely do the same under the right circumstances. After all, "if I had to go through it in my younger years, why shouldn't they?"

You may think that this wouldn't be tolerated in the office, but it is and it is tolerated all the time. Anyone who's made it long enough to have the Hiring Power (and you do in this OP) is protected by a couple of higher ups. You are untouchable because congratulations, you've become an office overlord.

[Methodological Individualism]

A large number of you on this forum may think you are above all of that, but you're not and if put into positions of power especially in a soulless corporate office after having endured The Boot for years, you'd very likely do the same under the right circumstances. After all, "if I had to go through it in my younger years, why shouldn't they?"

We're not really above it, so much as those of us on the hiring committee rotation can see people who think like this a mile off and deposit their Word template resume in the appropriate shredder.

It's really just not that hard.

[Infected Mushroom]

A large number of you on this forum may think you are above all of that, but you're not and if put into positions of power especially in a soulless corporate office after having endured The Boot for years, you'd very likely do the same under the right circumstances. After all, "if I had to go through it in my younger years, why shouldn't they?"

We're not really above it, so much as those of us on the hiring committee rotation can see people who think like this a mile off and deposit their Word template resume in the appropriate shredder.

It's really just not that hard.

I truly wish it was that way.

Chances are though, those very committees are seated by the same types of people. After all, they've been playing the manager game for some time and they've dedicated their lives to become lords of the office.

There's nothing more rewarding in life for these types of people then to be in a position to bully others, lord over others, and be Right about it.

[Methodological Individualism]

I truly wish it was that way.

I've got some great news!

Chances are though, those very committees are seated by the same types of people. After all, they've been playing the manager game for some time and they've dedicated their lives to become lords of the office.

They're not "managers" silly. They're rank and file employees. On a committee of 6 or 7, there's maybe one or two management classifications, one HR analyst (for EEO purposes), and the rest are applicant's potential co-workers.

Equals hire each other. Shit is bananas .

[Torrocca]

This is, at the very least, a fire code issue.

Well maybe the damn government needs to stay out of my business.

As a man of the people and their common good, I'd prefer the government stays in it.

A large number of you on this forum may think you are above all of that, but you're not and if put into positions of power especially in a soulless corporate office after having endured The Boot for years, you'd very likely do the same under the right circumstances. After all, "if I had to go through it in my younger years, why shouldn't they?"

Lol, like hell I'm not above that. I'm not some soulless cunt who only sees things in terms of numbers, I'm a bloody well intended idealist who sees things greater than my own person and as such want to do good and right by others. I'm not gonna become some power-tripping megalomaniac if I was suddenly thrust into a position of power; that's not me, that's never been me, and that never will be me.

[The Conez Imperium]

Maybe in bizarro land.

Authoritarian management is about exerting authority by being the only point of authority in the company to your subordinates.

That doesn't mean however that I have to threaten my worker and him really calling my bluff and tell me to go fuck myself. Authoritarian management is not that. It's simply being able to tell everyone what they have to do, how to do it, and when. If they step out of line or are upset and acting erratic, you can call them out for it, but you really shouldn't threaten or do something to escalate the situation, that's poor conflict management skills.

Should I have an employee like yours the best thing I can do is tell them "look, I haven't done anything to you, but if you need to talk I'll be in my office" and leave. Although of course I wouldn't call their attention just because they seem pissed off, I'd just call their attention if they are not producing like they should.

In a perfect world maybe.

But we live in a world where people love to (and regularly) display their power over others in many ways. Issuing a warning/threat to others in the office is one of the "great rewards" of being a manager. There's got to be a reason why people are putting in the extra unpaid overtime and weekend works, the feigned interest, and all the sucking up for the promotions. Its not because they love The Office, its because they want to be able to take things out on others. You get promoted, the number of people you get to righteously lord over, bully, and size down has just multiplied in addition to bigger pay checks.

A large number of you on this forum may think you are above all of that, but you're not and if put into positions of power especially in a soulless corporate office after having endured The Boot for years, you'd very likely do the same under the right circumstances. After all, "if I had to go through it in my younger years, why shouldn't they?"

You may think that this wouldn't be tolerated in the office, but it is and it is tolerated all the time. Anyone who's made it long enough to have the Hiring Power (and you do in this OP) is protected by a couple of higher ups. You are untouchable because congratulations, you've become an office overlord.

They should join the military. They would love the hierarchy.

[Southron Antarctica]

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

I increasingly get the impression that you've never worked in an office.

[New haven america]

That's still a threat. That's still escalating.
That's piss-poor management skills.

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

I can't help but feel that you've never really worked in an office, and instead took the world of GoT and applied it to office life.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

I can't help but feel that you've never really worked in an office, and instead took the world of GoT and applied it to office life.

If I can do it with a 2000 year-old book about war by Sunny Sue, I can do it with game of thrones.

[Ifreann]

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

I can't help but feel that you've never really worked in an office, and instead took the world of GoT and applied it to office life.

"What are our words?"
"'Have You Tried Turning It Off And On Again?'"

[New New Serrland]

Authoritarian management is not that. It's simply being able to tell everyone what they have to do, how to do it, and when. If they step out of line or are upset and acting erratic, you can call them out for it, but you really shouldn't threaten or do something to escalate the situation, that's poor conflict management skills.

Authoritarian management is an oxymoron. Or, at least, if a manager really needs to babysit its employees that much, it or the HR department really need to learn how to hire properly.

Once competent hiring is completed, a manager's job is to 1) proactively determine the resources its team needs to do their jobs, and acquire them, 2) distribute them, 3) get the hell out of the team's way, 4) go back to step 1.

My experience is that the sort who are like that tend to be the middle management folks who got Peter Principle'd from purchasing or sales or whatever into place where they're over their heads (usually when it involves managing people and project planning and whatnot) and it shows. Internal promotions can do that to someone (I've seen it a couple times) - but competent HR and attentive managers can help mitigate that risk.

[Ethel mermania]

That's still a threat. That's still escalating.
That's piss-poor management skills.

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

No it isnt. Not in any office I have worked in, or any office any of my friends have worked in, cause we would have had a good laugh over that.

[Methodological Individualism]

Authoritarian management is an oxymoron. Or, at least, if a manager really needs to babysit its employees that much, it or the HR department really need to learn how to hire properly.

Once competent hiring is completed, a manager's job is to 1) proactively determine the resources its team needs to do their jobs, and acquire them, 2) distribute them, 3) get the hell out of the team's way, 4) go back to step 1.

My experience is that the sort who are like that tend to be the middle management folks who got Peter Principle'd from purchasing or sales or whatever into place where they're over their heads (usually when it involves managing people and project planning and whatnot) and it shows.

Right. I mean, management is not a matter of commanding people what to do, how, and when. Task assignment and completion is just an extension of the proper resource management process. A competent (read NOT authoritarian) manager asks:

1) what is the task?
2) who on the team has the knowledge/skills?
3) how can I help the team acquire more knowledge/skills?
4) what elseis getting in the way of my team completing the task?
5) how do I remove that/those barriers?

Of course, I won't deny that the galley slave-type "manager" exists, but...

Internal promotions can do that to someone (I've seen it a couple times) - but competent HR and attentive managers can help mitigate that risk.

Precisely.

[North North Korea The Sequel]

id fire his butt

[USS Monitor]

That's still a threat. That's still escalating.
That's piss-poor management skills.

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

Management styles vary a lot from one institution to the next.

I've worked for a few different places over the years. UPS and Chinese schools like to push people around, but it's kind of expected that some people will push back, and there's a lot of haggling over work schedules, pay, etc. Aetna makes more of an effort to make employees feel valued and they don't screw with people as much, but they're also harder to argue with and less tolerant of friction within the company.

[USS Monitor]

Maybe in bizarro land.

Authoritarian management is about exerting authority by being the only point of authority in the company to your subordinates.

That doesn't mean however that I have to threaten my worker and him really calling my bluff and tell me to go fuck myself. Authoritarian management is not that. It's simply being able to tell everyone what they have to do, how to do it, and when. If they step out of line or are upset and acting erratic, you can call them out for it, but you really shouldn't threaten or do something to escalate the situation, that's poor conflict management skills.

Should I have an employee like yours the best thing I can do is tell them "look, I haven't done anything to you, but if you need to talk I'll be in my office" and leave. Although of course I wouldn't call their attention just because they seem pissed off, I'd just call their attention if they are not producing like they should.

In a perfect world maybe.

But we live in a world where people love to (and regularly) display their power over others in many ways. Issuing a warning/threat to others in the office is one of the "great rewards" of being a manager. There's got to be a reason why people are putting in the extra unpaid overtime and weekend works, the feigned interest, and all the sucking up for the promotions. Its not because they love The Office, its because they want to be able to take things out on others. You get promoted, the number of people you get to righteously lord over, bully, and size down has just multiplied in addition to bigger pay checks.

A large number of you on this forum may think you are above all of that, but you're not and if put into positions of power especially in a soulless corporate office after having endured The Boot for years, you'd very likely do the same under the right circumstances. After all, "if I had to go through it in my younger years, why shouldn't they?"

You may think that this wouldn't be tolerated in the office, but it is and it is tolerated all the time. Anyone who's made it long enough to have the Hiring Power (and you do in this OP) is protected by a couple of higher ups. You are untouchable because congratulations, you've become an office overlord.

Not everyone that is in a position of power is there because they want to abuse people.

[Hurdergaryp]

In a perfect world maybe.

But we live in a world where people love to (and regularly) display their power over others in many ways. Issuing a warning/threat to others in the office is one of the "great rewards" of being a manager. There's got to be a reason why people are putting in the extra unpaid overtime and weekend works, the feigned interest, and all the sucking up for the promotions. Its not because they love The Office, its because they want to be able to take things out on others. You get promoted, the number of people you get to righteously lord over, bully, and size down has just multiplied in addition to bigger pay checks.

A large number of you on this forum may think you are above all of that, but you're not and if put into positions of power especially in a soulless corporate office after having endured The Boot for years, you'd very likely do the same under the right circumstances. After all, "if I had to go through it in my younger years, why shouldn't they?"

You may think that this wouldn't be tolerated in the office, but it is and it is tolerated all the time. Anyone who's made it long enough to have the Hiring Power (and you do in this OP) is protected by a couple of higher ups. You are untouchable because congratulations, you've become an office overlord.

Not everyone that is in a position of power is there because they want to abuse people.

For some this is a hard concept to understand. It almost seems as if it goes directly against their core beliefs.

[Infected Mushroom]

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

No it isnt. Not in any office I have worked in, or any office any of my friends have worked in, cause we would have had a good laugh over that.

then you can consider yourself fortunate

unfortunately, this isn't how most of the office world operates

[Ifreann]

No it isnt. Not in any office I have worked in, or any office any of my friends have worked in, cause we would have had a good laugh over that.

then you can consider yourself fortunate

unfortunately, this isn't how most of the office world operates

How would you know how most of the offices in the world operate?

[Infected Mushroom]

then you can consider yourself fortunate

unfortunately, this isn't how most of the office world operates

How would you know how most of the offices in the world operate?

I have seen and heard a great deal many things

[The Holy Therns]

How would you know how most of the offices in the world operate?

I have seen and heard a great deal many things

Oh, well gee, that's all the sources we need, people.

[Thermodolia]

How would you know how most of the offices in the world operate?

I have seen and heard a great deal many things

Stop talking like gandalf from the hobbit and no you haven't

[Infected Mushroom]

I have seen and heard a great deal many things

Stop talking like gandalf from the hobbit and no you haven't

Yes I have

But please let us return to the thread topic at hand, I implore you