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Would you fire him?

Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:30 pm

You are an employer.

You've recently hired a new employee. The employee performs exceptionally well and far above the level of your other employees. He's very friendly and behaves very professionally.

However, one morning the employee seems unbelievably pissed off. When you ask him what the matter is... he says its "none of your god damn business" and that you better "beat it."

You then tell him: "Choose your next words wisely, choose them true, and choose them right."

He then says to your face and in full view of the entire office:

"Okay then.

F*** the company.

**** this job.

**** you.

You can go **** yourself."

He then storms off and goes home, skipping more than half a day of work.

The next day he comes back to work, happy and productive as a clam. You have not yet talked to him about his behaviour that day but a few days later... he's back to his super productive and over-performing mode.

Assume that in the premise, your conduct towards the employee, including your words... are entirely appropriate according to the informal rules of the company. Please assume that this is a very typical, authoritarian, pro-employer setting and that management fully stands behind you because of personal ties.

So I ask you NSG...

What would you do about this employee? Would you talk to him (how and what about)? Would you fire him? Would you just let it go since it seems to be a one time incident?

I'd summon him into the firm's main hall, explain that he's insulted the honour of the company, and then fire him. When he chose to say those words, he didn't just make a mistake, he made a choice. He's insulted the honour of the company and if someone does so (regardless of their performance), they have to be let go. Otherwise you will not be respected and feared and you will be unable to run the organisation. Also, it is evident that he can no longer be trusted and that his loyalty is in question. And in this day and age, loyalty is currency. Its not a question of performance, its a question of loyalty and honour.
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Postby Topoliani » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:32 pm

"Up yours too buddy, now get back to work."

That's probably what I would say.
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Postby Persagonia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:34 pm

"Don't do it again or I'll send your arse back to the cold slabs of the street"

P.S did this actually happened to you?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:38 pm

Persagonia wrote:"Don't do it again or I'll send your arse back to the cold slabs of the street"

P.S did this actually happened to you?


No

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Postby Albrenia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:40 pm

Tell him to stop being a prick or next time he mouths off might cost him his job.

Unless it becomes a pattern or harms his work somehow, there's no reason to lose an exceptional employee because he was a dick once.

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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:41 pm

Oh look, more rambling about honor.

One-off event, give him a stern talking to.
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Postby Community Values » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:41 pm

The guy seems mentally unstable. I would require him to get a therapist and warn him not to do it again.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:42 pm

I'd confront him and demand an explanation. And I'd inform him that the only way the meeting would result in immediate termination is if he fails to offer a satisfactory explanation.

What followed would depend on said explanation.
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Postby Donut section » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:43 pm

An employee who performs far above other employees deserves more effort and consideration.

Have a sit down and work out what caused the outburst and formulate a plan to overcome this.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:You are an employer.

You've recently hired a new employee. The employee performs exceptionally well and far above the level of your other employees. He's very friendly and behaves very professionally.

However, one morning the employee seems unbelievably pissed off. When you ask him what the matter is... he says its "none of your god damn business" and that you better "beat it."

You then tell him: "Choose your next words wisely, choose them true, and choose them right."

I cannot fathom a reality in which I would say such a thing.
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Postby Insaeldor » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:45 pm

Put him on a one strike basis and inform him of such. People are prone to emotional mistakes and these do tend to boil over. Since it's an office space I'm not as concerned with that as I would be if this were a school or in a servinces job where you're in full view of the customers. Take a little putty but absolutely do not tolerate another infraction.
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Postby Dytarma » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:46 pm

Maybe he has an awful home life, with an overpowering wife abusing his kids, and just released his anger at work. I wouldn't fire him immediately, but if he did it again or 2, I'd fire him.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:You are an employer.

You've recently hired a new employee. The employee performs exceptionally well and far above the level of your other employees. He's very friendly and behaves very professionally.

However, one morning the employee seems unbelievably pissed off. When you ask him what the matter is... he says its "none of your god damn business" and that you better "beat it."

You then tell him: "Choose your next words wisely, choose them true, and choose them right."

I cannot fathom a reality in which I would say such a thing.


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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:48 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:And in this day and age, loyalty is currency.

Also, this is super not true. The real world is nothing like the fictional universes you idolise.
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Postby Romanovian Russia » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:49 pm

Fire him

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:01 pm

No, I would not fire him.
I'd sit down, give him a formal warning/write him up, tell him that this is the first and only chance he'll ever have, and if such behaviour is repeated, wham, terminated. That way everything is nice and legal and documented.
If he's that damn good, everyone deserves a second chance.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:You are an employer.

You've recently hired a new employee. The employee performs exceptionally well and far above the level of your other employees. He's very friendly and behaves very professionally.

However, one morning the employee seems unbelievably pissed off. When you ask him what the matter is... he says its "none of your god damn business" and that you better "beat it."

You then tell him: "Choose your next words wisely, choose them true, and choose them right."

I cannot fathom a reality in which I would say such a thing.

Exactly. A very poor employer, to escalate the situation by threatening an employee, especially when asking about what appears to be a personal issue. Which would be, none of his business.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:09 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I cannot fathom a reality in which I would say such a thing.

Exactly. A very poor employer, to escalate the situation by threatening an employee, especially when asking about what appears to be a personal issue. Which would be, none of his business.


It would only be his business if it was affecting his workplace performance to a significant degree, then a workplace intervention would be appropriate, otherwise, yes, has to keep his nose out.
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Postby Aillyria » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm

No personally, I wouldn't fire him. I would've sent him home for the day if he hadn't done so himself.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:20 pm

I'd assign him to anger management classes.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:25 pm

I wouldn't fire him, but I'd quickly rip my shirt off, flex, and say "this is a Christian company, please don't swear in its lounge."
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Postby Naifon » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:27 pm

I would not care. He has my internal attitude.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:27 pm

If he could come up with a good reason for his attitude, no. Even just "Shit man, I'm so sorry, I was having a really fucked up day, I shouldn't've taken it out on you."
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Postby Willania Imperium » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:30 pm

If one-time event, I would probably try to talk to him and figure out why he did this if I can swallow my anger.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:32 pm

1. i would never say "choose your words wisely". I tend not to goad my employees
2. assuming there is no policy manual in place, the telling me as his employer to "beat it" in an aggressive manor would get him fired on the spot. i really dont want my other employees to think that is acceptable office behavior either towards me as his employer or the other employees he works with.
3. if there is a policy manual, he would be written up according to the manual and a meeting with HR would be scheduled. Hr (company policy) would determine his fate
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