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Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:21 am**

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42030560

The Argentine Navy has lost contact with ARA San Juan, a diesel-electric submarine, since an amount of time Argentine officials say to be concerning. Many countries are helping with the search, including Britain, which has dispatched a Falkland-based aircraft to search for the missing boat.

Well, that's nice, especially considering the amount of abuse Argentina usually throws at Britons and Falklanders over the sovereignty of the archipelago. While I hope the San Juan can be found with her crew in good condition (and I'm afraid it's not very likely to happen), I guess this move could also ease the hatred many Argentines feel for Britain about the Falklands. Any opinion? Am I hoping too much?

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:23 am**

Probably hoping for too much. Most likely it will either remind Argentinians that the Falklands exist, or they won't give a damn. Those that do will probably ignore it anyway.

As for the submarine, to be quite frank, it's probably lost. Poor sods.

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:24 am**

Risottia wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42030560

The Argentine Navy has lost contact with ARA San Juan, a diesel-electric submarine, since an amount of time Argentine officials say to be concerning. Many countries are helping with the search, including Britain, which has dispatched a Falkland-based aircraft to search for the missing boat.

Well, that's nice, especially considering the amount of abuse Argentina usually throws at Britons and Falklanders over the sovereignty of the archipelago. While I hope the San Juan can be found with her crew in good condition (and I'm afraid it's not very likely to happen), I guess this move could also ease the hatred many Argentines feel for Britain about the Falklands. Any opinion? Am I hoping too much?

Way to turn this from a disaster into a "relations" post...I would of stuck with the disaster part of it.

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:25 am**

Sjovenia wrote:Way to turn this from a disaster into a "relations" post...I would of stuck with the disaster part of it.

1."have".
2.Why?

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:27 am**

It's basically all differences being put aside to find that lost submarine, with hope that the crew are alive.

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:30 am**

Well, that's nice, especially considering the amount of abuse Argentina usually throws at Britons and Falklanders over the sovereignty of the archipelago.

Literally as if it's that surprising.

Tsk.

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:31 am**

This is obviously a ploy to draw British forces away from the Falklands.

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:33 am**

Yes, the Argentines and the British butted heads over the Falklands, but was it really necessary to mention it in a time where 44 souls are missing at sea?

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:33 am**

Ifreann wrote:This is obviously a ploy to draw British forces away from the Falklands.

They wouldn't invade again, surely? Wasn't Argentina under an unstable junta during the 80s?

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:01 am**

It's looking for the Belgrano...

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:40 pm**

Risottia wrote:I guess this move could also ease the hatred many Argentines feel for Britain about the Falklands. Any opinion? Am I hoping too much?

Probably.

Civilised countries aiding in their own destruction seems to be priced in at this point and earns no good will. It's just the expected baseline behaviour.

If on the other Britain had refused to help rescue a submarine whose only real purpose is to attack Britain, then Britain would have been subject to a barrage of complaints about how unreasonable it is etc.

Posted: **Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:15 pm**

Ifreann wrote:This is obviously a ploy to draw British forces away from the Falklands.

And based on it being the Falklands, they are probably happy to be drawn away.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:41 am**

San Juan submarine: 'Explosion' dashes crew survival hopes

So the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization has reported that an "abnormal, singular, short, violent, non-nuclear event" was recorded around the submarine's last known position last week. Which means the chances of crew recovery are now slim.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:56 pm**

Vassenor wrote:San Juan submarine: 'Explosion' dashes crew survival hopes

So the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization has reported that an "abnormal, singular, short, violent, non-nuclear event" was recorded around the submarine's last known position last week. Which means the chances of crew recovery are now slim.

My condolences to the families,

But you would hope this data would have been released sooner.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:29 pm**

Anarchitaria wrote:
Well, that's nice, especially considering the amount of abuse Argentina usually throws at Britons and Falklanders over the sovereignty of the archipelago.

Literally as if it's that surprising.

Tsk.

Yeah, seriously, this happens all the time. When the MRCCs start asking for help (or just giving orders), everybody jumps. If this had happened a week earlier, you'd be reading about the VOR fleet dropping out of the race to join in.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:20 pm**

Ethel mermania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:San Juan submarine: 'Explosion' dashes crew survival hopes

So the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization has reported that an "abnormal, singular, short, violent, non-nuclear event" was recorded around the submarine's last known position last week. Which means the chances of crew recovery are now slim.

My condolences to the families,

But you would hope this data would have been released sooner.

From the sounds of things it took them this long to analyse and come to the conclusion.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:44 pm**

Vassenor wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:My condolences to the families,

But you would hope this data would have been released sooner.

From the sounds of things it took them this long to analyse and come to the conclusion.

I didn't get that impression, but could be.

Posted: **Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:27 pm**

Ethel mermania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
From the sounds of things it took them this long to analyse and come to the conclusion.

I didn't get that impression, but could be.

They moniter the world's oceans for nuclear test. A much smaller explosion is likely not something they would notice unless they started combing through data

Posted: **Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:04 am**

I'm now thinking that, sadly, the ARA San Juan sunk due to an explosion and that the crew are all dead

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:46 pm**

Ifreann wrote:This is obviously a ploy to draw British forces away from the Falklands.

I was waiting for someone to be so pathetic to relate the disappearance of the submarine to the Falklands / Malvinas conflict.

Posted: **Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:01 pm**

Akatia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:This is obviously a ploy to draw British forces away from the Falklands.

I was waiting for someone to be so pathetic to relate the disappearance of the submarine to the Falklands / Malvinas conflict.

This thread died a year and a half ago. Please don't dig up old threads.

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Argentine sub overdue, Britain and other countries help

Argentine sub overdue, Britain and other countries help