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Omakhandia wrote:I mean, if you really believe in communist collectives, you're definitely compromising some core beliefs no matter where you're from.

Why? I am a communist.

if it is just religion, of course i would do it. i don't have to actually believe whatever they believe, i just have to pretend that i am believing all their stuff and follow some weird, slightly inconvenient rules. of course it would get really annoying after some time, but i guess i won't have to do it forever. just long enough until i find a chance to get away and live elsewhere (unless it's a weird sect like jehovas witnesses, scientology, etc. who would probably try to reduce interaction with outsiders to the absolute minimum so that people will not be able to leave once they're in).

if it's some worse stuff, like maybe their ideology is that everyone who is not part of the tribe must be tortured and kept alive as long as possible and newcomers must participate in the torturing as some sort of initiation rite, i'd probably say "yeah, nah, i'm gonna leave now, see ya" and then i guess i should run as fast and as far as possible, before i become their next victim lol

Menassa wrote:There are things that I would rather die than do.

Idolatry.
Adultery
Murder

Mine would be:

Enslave another being
Rape
Be forced to bow down and worship a thing I do not believe in.

Asherahan wrote:

Menassa wrote:There are things that I would rather die than do.

Idolatry.
Adultery
Murder

Mine would be:

Enslave another being
Rape
Be forced to bow down and worship a thing I do not believe in.

So that's.

If someone told you to enslave another being you would rather die and likewise with rape?

"your ideology" uhhhhh

sometimes i have to profess ideology to fit in

Yagon wrote:

Bardarus wrote:Well i don't have an ideology and i don't count my Christian religion as a form of ideology but then again i don't know this 'other tribe' because the term is to vague, can you please give a clarification of this 'other tribe' but to answer the question then if the ideology does not include religion or abandoning my religion then no i would not join the other tribe, if the ideology does not concern religious beliefs then yes i would join the other tribe to increase my chances of survival.

In the scenario as presented it would involve changing to their religion (at least outwardly).

As a sub-branch, suppose their religion was Southwest American Protestant Evangelism (or something of that sort). Could you align with that?

well, i was baptized in an Armenian Apostolic Church, and i refuse to be re-batpized by other Christian denominations however, the Church of God whether it is American Protestant Evangelical, Roman Catholic or Eastern Byzantine Greek Orthodox is still the Church of God for me and i am an Ecumenist when it comes to uniting all versions of Christianity to reinstall unity of the Church so i guess that if this American Protestant Evangelist Church is the ONLY CHURCH within miles and miles then yes i accept it.

It would depend on the system but I would not compromise to the fascist or the capitalist or other right wing groups. I am willing to work with anarchists excluding an-caps and other communists except Trots.

I'd compromise anything for as little as a pint.

Luziland wrote:if it is just religion, of course i would do it. i don't have to actually believe whatever they believe, i just have to pretend that i am believing all their stuff and follow some weird, slightly inconvenient rules. of course it would get really annoying after some time, but i guess i won't have to do it forever. just long enough until i find a chance to get away and live elsewhere (unless it's a weird sect like jehovas witnesses, scientology, etc. who would probably try to reduce interaction with outsiders to the absolute minimum so that people will not be able to leave once they're in).

if it's some worse stuff, like maybe their ideology is that everyone who is not part of the tribe must be tortured and kept alive as long as possible and newcomers must participate in the torturing as some sort of initiation rite, i'd probably say "yeah, nah, i'm gonna leave now, see ya" and then i guess i should run as fast and as far as possible, before i become their next victim lol

What if it were not torture, but they intended to kill some local outgroup (say 300 people), and you were not expected to participate or even observe, but to just stay out of it. Could you do that?

Bardarus wrote:well, i was baptized in an Armenian Apostolic Church, and i refuse to be re-batpized by other Christian denominations however, the Church of God whether it is American Protestant Evangelical, Roman Catholic or Eastern Byzantine Greek Orthodox is still the Church of God for me and i am an Ecumenist when it comes to uniting all versions of Christianity to reinstall unity of the Church so i guess that if this American Protestant Evangelist Church is the ONLY CHURCH within miles and miles then yes i accept it.

Would you have a problem joining the Coptic Orthodox Church or any other branch of Oriental Orthodoxy?

Yagon wrote:

Luziland wrote:if it is just religion, of course i would do it. i don't have to actually believe whatever they believe, i just have to pretend that i am believing all their stuff and follow some weird, slightly inconvenient rules. of course it would get really annoying after some time, but i guess i won't have to do it forever. just long enough until i find a chance to get away and live elsewhere (unless it's a weird sect like jehovas witnesses, scientology, etc. who would probably try to reduce interaction with outsiders to the absolute minimum so that people will not be able to leave once they're in).

if it's some worse stuff, like maybe their ideology is that everyone who is not part of the tribe must be tortured and kept alive as long as possible and newcomers must participate in the torturing as some sort of initiation rite, i'd probably say "yeah, nah, i'm gonna leave now, see ya" and then i guess i should run as fast and as far as possible, before i become their next victim lol

What if it were not torture, but they intended to kill some local outgroup (say 300 people), and you were not expected to participate or even observe, but to just stay out of it. Could you do that?

not sure. partly i think "yes, as long as i don't have to help them with the killing in any way" but partly i think that maybe i will still have a very bad feeling afterwards and i might want to do something to prevent the killing. i guess i'd just have to be in that situation to know what i'd really do.

Luziland wrote:not sure. partly i think "yes, as long as i don't have to help them with the killing in any way" but partly i think that maybe i will still have a very bad feeling afterwards and i might want to do something to prevent the killing. i guess i'd just have to be in that situation to know what i'd really do.

Seems reasonable. It would be really tough to know without being in the situation, especially such a relatively extreme one.

There is another thing to to think about. A person puts a sword to your neck. They say that you have to profess a certain religion. You profess that you are that religion. They take away the sword. Everyone professes to the particularly religion or they die by the sword. No one actually practices the religion in question. You go to a meal where they eat forbidden meat, the man who was about to cut your head off gives you a shish kebab and a drink. A lot of professions about ideology are about control.

UniversalCommons wrote:There is another thing to to think about. A person puts a sword to your neck. They say that you have to profess a certain religion. You profess that you are that religion. They take away the sword. Everyone professes to the particularly religion or they die by the sword. No one actually practices the religion in question. You go to a meal where they eat forbidden meat, the man who was about to cut your head off gives you a shish kebab and a drink. A lot of professions about ideology are about control.

That makes sense, sort of a "show us that you understand we're in charge", and then the actual particulars of the faith aren't super adhered to.

Especially sometimes the things about mercy, forgiveness, charity, etc.

Herador wrote:I'd compromise anything for as little as a pint.

are you popular at parties?

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:

Bardarus wrote:well, i was baptized in an Armenian Apostolic Church, and i refuse to be re-batpized by other Christian denominations however, the Church of God whether it is American Protestant Evangelical, Roman Catholic or Eastern Byzantine Greek Orthodox is still the Church of God for me and i am an Ecumenist when it comes to uniting all versions of Christianity to reinstall unity of the Church so i guess that if this American Protestant Evangelist Church is the ONLY CHURCH within miles and miles then yes i accept it.

Would you have a problem joining the Coptic Orthodox Church or any other branch of Oriental Orthodoxy?

No, not really, they're all Christian Churches but in the Middle East like Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are Christian Churches in Europe.

Cetacea wrote:

Herador wrote:I'd compromise anything for as little as a pint.

are you popular at parties?

You know it, baby

E: That's a lie, I sit quietly in the corner, drink to much, and listen to sad music until I pass out.

Herador wrote:

Cetacea wrote:
are you popular at parties?

You know it, baby

E: That's a lie, I sit quietly in the corner, drink to much, and listen to sad music until I pass out.

Sounds like my kind of party, to be honest. Except I can't drink booze... but I do occasionally pass out so I still have that covered.

Of course. I would live however they want me to until I'm able to move somewhere more hospitable. If I find the local culture particularly disgusting (human sacrifice, honor killings, talking too loud), I would at most try find a way to rally other "outsiders" like me to live and work together, and try to avoid dealing with the rest of the tribe as much as possible without getting us all rounded up and sacrificed en masse in a ritual to summon Shub-Niggurath.

Herador wrote:

Cetacea wrote:
are you popular at parties?

You know it, baby

E: That's a lie, I sit quietly in the corner, drink to much, and listen to sad music until I pass out.

Relatable.

Endure adapt and overcome

Yes I would.

I can deal with compromising my ideology at the moment if it ensures me one more day to live and convince people my ideology is right.

I can't do that while dead.

Rather die a free man than live on my knees

The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia wrote:Rather die a free man than live on my knees

"You have it backwards. It is better to live on your feet than to die on your knees"

Chernoslavia wrote:Endure adapt and overcome

How does one endure?

Yagon wrote:

Chernoslavia wrote:Endure adapt and overcome

How does one endure?

Witness the barbaric customs of a tribe of warlike savages over and over for so long that you eventually become numb to the smell of rotting heads on pikes scattered around every encampment, or the mangled flesh and dead, broken look in the eyes of passing slaves, or the spine-tingling screams of sacrificial victims that fill the air nearly every night.