Would you compromise your ideology for survival?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I am pleased to see that most people selected, No, I would survive some other way or if necessary, or if necessary, die with my integrity. Sacrificing one's integrity is itself a negation of life.

[Bakery Hill]

I am pleased to see that most people selected, No, I would survive some other way or if necessary, or if necessary, die with my integrity. Sacrificing one's integrity is itself a negation of life.

Yes, but life is also compromise, especially if you have a purpose you wish to fulfill.

[Pope Joan]

Could have; that celibacy vow has done a lot of harm, so good for him if he did

A lot of harm among monks?

Yes, alcoholism, obesity, and even pedophilia; these could be reduced if celibacy (not mandated by the Bible; an invention of the early Middle Ages) were eliminated

One monsignor I know, like and respect struggles greatly with alcohol and obesity.

A priest I knew and worked with who was excellent with community work and great with teens drank himself to death in his forties. He was in my home town; my best friend was youth advisor in his church at the time

[Pope Joan]

A lot of harm among monks?

For them and rest of the world. A lot of the insane prudishness associated with Christianity and its derived cultures can be directly traced to the facts religious workers were not allowed to marry. This is especially true in the catholic tradition that bars even priests from having sex. It's a practice that directly lead to the glorification of celibacy and general hatred of sexuality that you see in many religious communities in the west to this day.

It is comical that priests persist in giving marital advice.

[The Parkus Empire]

A lot of harm among monks?

Yes, alcoholism, obesity, and even pedophilia; these could be reduced if celibacy (not mandated by the Bible; an invention of the early Middle Ages) were eliminated

Monastic celibacy is not mandated by the church, it is an optional vow. Christ and Paul both endorsed celibacy, your pooh-poohing it is inane and based on your fealty to something other than Christ.

[The Parkus Empire]

Monasticism did not start in the early middle ages, either, it started in the fourth century a bit before Christianity was legalized.

[Pope Joan]

Yes, alcoholism, obesity, and even pedophilia; these could be reduced if celibacy (not mandated by the Bible; an invention of the early Middle Ages) were eliminated

Monastic celibacy is not mandated by the church, it is an optional vow. Christ and Paul both endorsed celibacy, your pooh-poohing it is inane and based on your fealty to something other than Christ.

What about the wedding in Cana? Shouldn't the Lord have prohibited them from this vile exercise?

[The Parkus Empire]

Monastic celibacy is not mandated by the church, it is an optional vow. Christ and Paul both endorsed celibacy, your pooh-poohing it is inane and based on your fealty to something other than Christ.

What about the wedding in Cana? Shouldn't the Lord have prohibited them from this vile exercise?

No, stop strawmanning Christ.

[Bakery Hill]

What about the wedding in Cana? Shouldn't the Lord have prohibited them from this vile exercise?

No, stop strawmanning Christ.

This is a quote that should be remembered.

[The Parkus Empire]

For them and rest of the world. A lot of the insane prudishness associated with Christianity and its derived cultures can be directly traced to the facts religious workers were not allowed to marry. This is especially true in the catholic tradition that bars even priests from having sex. It's a practice that directly lead to the glorification of celibacy and general hatred of sexuality that you see in many religious communities in the west to this day.

It is comical that priests persist in giving marital advice.

Like John Chrysostom?

[Cetacea]

Yes, alcoholism, obesity, and even pedophilia; these could be reduced if celibacy (not mandated by the Bible; an invention of the early Middle Ages) were eliminated

Monastic celibacy is not mandated by the church, it is an optional vow. Christ and Paul both endorsed celibacy, your pooh-poohing it is inane and based on your fealty to something other than Christ.

Jesus did not endorse celibacy, what He encouraged was that people should either live committed in a marriage relationship or live singly. He was against couples living together without being married but marriage was encouraged

[Corpus Magnus]

Monastic celibacy is not mandated by the church, it is an optional vow. Christ and Paul both endorsed celibacy, your pooh-poohing it is inane and based on your fealty to something other than Christ.

Jesus did not endorse celibacy, what He encouraged was that people should either live committed in a marriage relationship or live singly. He was against couples living together without being married but marriage was encouraged

I agree.

[Corpus Magnus]

There is no way I would compromise my own ideology for the sake of survival. Survival is not worth the eternal consequences after death. You are going to die at some point in your life; better for it to happen while you are in the action of defending your faiths rather than living in a way that you morally disagree with.

[UniversalCommons]

Ideology is usually political or religious. If your job is to gather the nuts and berries and take out the trash, most people could care less. Stalin and Mao killed the politically active, not the average person. You could even say the average non-political person under Stalin got a basic education, a roof over their head, and food which was better than under the tsars. The majority of people live their lives in quiet desperation more worried about food, shelter, and sex than anything else. Being political is a choice. Unless this is a mad cult, if you keep your mouth shut or practice in secret most people will leave you alone. There were secret christians in Japan and secret jews in Spain. They had a hard time, but did not fully sacrifice their ideology. In fact, this is precisely why many secret societies formed.

[Luziyca]

Honestly, no. With humans being bastards, I'd much rather die with my integrity and ideological beliefs intact than sacrifice them completely.

[The Parkus Empire]

Monastic celibacy is not mandated by the church, it is an optional vow. Christ and Paul both endorsed celibacy, your pooh-poohing it is inane and based on your fealty to something other than Christ.

Jesus did not endorse celibacy, what He encouraged was that people should either live committed in a marriage relationship or live singly. He was against couples living together without being married but marriage was encouraged

He said anyone who can be celibate, ought to.

[Albrenia]

Jesus did not endorse celibacy, what He encouraged was that people should either live committed in a marriage relationship or live singly. He was against couples living together without being married but marriage was encouraged

He said anyone who can be celibate, ought to.

Jesus confirmed globalist population-control advocate?

[Ethel mermania]

Monastic celibacy is not mandated by the church, it is an optional vow. Christ and Paul both endorsed celibacy, your pooh-poohing it is inane and based on your fealty to something other than Christ.

What about the wedding in Cana? Shouldn't the Lord have prohibited them from this vile exercise?

A nice jewish boy listens to his mother.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Yes, but life is also compromise, especially if you have a purpose you wish to fulfill.

Fortunately, I have never had to deal with that dilemma in real life.

[Omakhandia]

Yes, but life is also compromise, especially if you have a purpose you wish to fulfill.

Fortunately, I have never had to deal with that dilemma in real life.

I would argue that living in any society inherently involves compromise of some kind.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I would argue that living in any society inherently involves compromise of some kind.

Of course. However, there is a difference between making compromises on nonessentials and making compromises on one's basic values.

[Oil exporting People]

If it is just myself, no, my beliefs are worth dying for, if in memory of what was if nothing else. If I have to worry about my wife and children, that does change the calculus to be honest.

[Omakhandia]

I would argue that living in any society inherently involves compromise of some kind.

Of course. However, there is a difference between making compromises on nonessentials and making compromises on one's basic values.

I mean, if you really believe in communist collectives, you're definitely compromising some core beliefs no matter where you're from.

[Menassa]

There are things that I would rather die than do.

Idolatry.
Adultery
Murder

[Pilarcraft]

Considering I'm already "lying to live another day" all day every day, Yeah. sure why not. I'd join them. survive, leave.