Would you compromise your ideology for survival?

[Major-Tom]

Wouldn't anybody? We can all profess to be that "noble" or "courageous", or whichever word shall be used in this, but at the end of the day we're all the same, and basic self-preservation instincts will kick in.

Pretty much. I'd like to think I'd be all bold, but in the end, I'm human. I don't want to die.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I suppose I wouldn't be above feigning belief in hateful ideas if that meant the difference between life and death. Though I'm not normally in the habit of pretending to agree with something I don't, that's probably because there isn't a real threat of death currently in effect for it.

Besides, how better to subvert a hateful system than to infiltrate it and sabotage it from within?

[Omakhandia]

What if your ideology IS survival?

And How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real

[Infected Mushroom]

No.

It wouldn't be honourable.

[Cedoria]

Probably, but likely only so long as I need to in order to get away/fight back, etc.

Being able to adapt to circumstances doesn't necessarily imply the necessity of total surrender to them. But those who don't bend, often break. I'd rather bend, at least you can come back up again if you do.

If I'm going to be killed, I might feign hateful ideas, but only under those circumstances. I'm normally pretty open about my real views because I know I won't be killed for them, but I daresay I wouldn't be that different from most other people's answer here if that changed.

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't have an ideology. In fact I oppose ideology. So nothing to compromise

[Pope Joan]

No. I would not give up my core values.
This are more a personal value system than a shared ideology, but they are close to the beliefs of Thomas Merton.

I had to decide whether to go to Viet Nam or go to jail, so I had to work out that forced choice scenario

[The Parkus Empire]

No. I would not give up my core values.
This are more a personal value system than a shared ideology, but they are close to the beliefs of Thomas Merton.

I had to decide whether to go to Viet Nam or go to jail, so I had to work out that forced choice scenario

Didn't Merton fornicate while he was a monk, and stay in contact with his lover forever after?

[Pope Joan]

No. I would not give up my core values.
This are more a personal value system than a shared ideology, but they are close to the beliefs of Thomas Merton.

I had to decide whether to go to Viet Nam or go to jail, so I had to work out that forced choice scenario

Didn't Merton fornicate while he was a monk, and stay in contact with his lover forever after?

Could have; that celibacy vow has done a lot of harm, so good for him if he did

[The Parkus Empire]

Didn't Merton fornicate while he was a monk, and stay in contact with his lover forever after?

Could have; that celibacy vow has done a lot of harm, so good for him if he did

A lot of harm among monks?

[Purpelia]

Could have; that celibacy vow has done a lot of harm, so good for him if he did

A lot of harm among monks?

For them and rest of the world. A lot of the insane prudishness associated with Christianity and its derived cultures can be directly traced to the facts religious workers were not allowed to marry. This is especially true in the catholic tradition that bars even priests from having sex. It's a practice that directly lead to the glorification of celibacy and general hatred of sexuality that you see in many religious communities in the west to this day.

[Albrenia]

Hatred of sexuality is pretty asinine, to be honest.

[Kenmoria]

Wouldn't anybody? We can all profess to be that "noble" or "courageous", or whichever word shall be used in this, but at the end of the day we're all the same, and basic self-preservation instincts will kick in.

Pretty much. I'd like to think I'd be all bold, but in the end, I'm human. I don't want to die.

Everyone would like to be the brave one and never compromise, but I doubt even 2% of the population actually would do so.

[The Parkus Empire]

A lot of harm among monks?

For them and rest of the world. A lot of the insane prudishness associated with Christianity and its derived cultures can be directly traced to the facts religious workers were not allowed to marry. This is especially true in the catholic tradition that bars even priests from having sex. It's a practice that directly lead to the glorification of celibacy and general hatred of sexuality that you see in many religious communities in the west to this day.

Sex is in fact blessed and sacred when accomplished in marriage. Monks take a vow of celibacy because they choose to completely disengage with the world and devote themselves to a life of intense, quiet prayer, which a spouse and kids isn't compatible with.

[Conserative Morality]

Wouldn't anybody? We can all profess to be that "noble" or "courageous", or whichever word shall be used in this, but at the end of the day we're all the same, and basic self-preservation instincts will kick in.

Some of us have gotten real good at suppressing those instincts.

[Bardarus]

Well i don't have an ideology and i don't count my Christian religion as a form of ideology but then again i don't know this 'other tribe' because the term is to vague, can you please give a clarification of this 'other tribe' but to answer the question then if the ideology does not include religion or abandoning my religion then no i would not join the other tribe, if the ideology does not concern religious beliefs then yes i would join the other tribe to increase my chances of survival.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well my ideology is multicultural world democracy. This means I'd likely, in this scenario be pro empire, but reforming it into a democracy. So I'd say no, as I'd prolly still have said empire on my side

[Rusozak]

Survival is my ideology. Values are a luxury in life and death situations.

[Aillyria]

As a socialist in a capitalist world, I do it on the daily. But compromise my religion, hell no.

[Digital Planets]

Nyet.

Life as a Gopnik is tough enough already: We drive cars designed from the 70s, participate in heavy drinking ceremonies and dance even harder in our rituals.

When I get up at 7 in the morning I drink 5 shots of Skyy from the bottle before going to work in my piece of shit Lada 454. When I get to work, I'm allowed another shot of Skyy before working as a forklift driver, loading and unloading pallets of potatoes for peeling to make more vodka out of. When I clock out at 5 in the afternoon my religion requires me to go to the nearest bridge or cargo container and dance like a madman to hardbass, and drink even more Skyy until the bottle is gone.

Life is hard, comrade.

[Katganistan]

If adopting the local culture/ideology does not involve harming others (e.g. human sacrifice, turning over daughters who are still children to be married to a revered 'elder') then sure. The stance of Judaism is that to save ones life, one can do just about anything as long as it does not harm another, and to save the life of another gets the same exemption.

Yes. Which is why in my neighborhood, people won't drive or turn on and off lights, etc. on the Sabbath -- but if someone is seriously ill or injured, they damn well are driving them to the hospital, Sabbath or no.

A reasonable stance.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Put on a brave face, and pretend to go along with it.

When the revolution comes, surrender to them and then become a collaborator.

[Yagon]

Well i don't have an ideology and i don't count my Christian religion as a form of ideology but then again i don't know this 'other tribe' because the term is to vague, can you please give a clarification of this 'other tribe' but to answer the question then if the ideology does not include religion or abandoning my religion then no i would not join the other tribe, if the ideology does not concern religious beliefs then yes i would join the other tribe to increase my chances of survival.

In the scenario as presented it would involve changing to their religion (at least outwardly).

As a sub-branch, suppose their religion was Southwest American Protestant Evangelism (or something of that sort). Could you align with that?

[Kennlind]

I'd compromise some beliefs, but there are some views I will never compromise.

[Yagon]

I'd compromise some beliefs, but there are some views I will never compromise.

So far the things that seem to come up the most are:

Religion

Compliance or non-action in the face of the Dominant Tribe slaughtering an outgroup

Messing with your sex options

Any of these a deal breaker?