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by FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:30 pm
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:31 pm
Principality of the Raix wrote:Why thank you for the compliment and agreeing in a mannerism, as it would affect anyone over a long period of time. This is shown through various examples, let's go with the above argument on someone pretending to be something they are not. Over time, it tends to become the norm to become what you are pretending to be and in that the act becomes habit and belief itself.
by Insaeldor » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:32 pm
by Gaozu » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:33 pm
Yagon wrote:Do you heed one of their suggestions, or do something else?
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:38 pm
Gaozu wrote:Yagon wrote:Do you heed one of their suggestions, or do something else?
Probably make a strike attack. Gathering in one area would give the tribe a good chance to assault us when we're all in one place, plus it would cause confusion which could then be used to our advantage. We could always group up when the attack's taking place.
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:38 pm
Yagon wrote:Principality of the Raix wrote:Why thank you for the compliment and agreeing in a mannerism, as it would affect anyone over a long period of time. This is shown through various examples, let's go with the above argument on someone pretending to be something they are not. Over time, it tends to become the norm to become what you are pretending to be and in that the act becomes habit and belief itself.
So we have not just a context of deception, but gradual transformation into what one finds odious.
I am ashamed to admit it, but I think I would probably still do it to survive (although if Gaozu's group was forming, I guess I'd try to join it but I don't know what use I'd be).
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:40 pm
Principality of the Raix wrote:Well I am not here to shame you, that's surely not the point.
However, I think this thread tests just how much a person can keep their integrity knowing they are going to die for it. Knowing that, if for survival you join dissidence for your beliefs survival in hope that you will live without having to pretend or pretending until you are within your group. I can understand that, as survival is instinct. All humans look to do is survive, which is an important thing. However, some just can not drop their morals and take up new ones that contradict their teaching or belief.
by Destructive Government Economic System » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:43 pm
Keshiland literally wrote:I would give it a no. A country that lies about how free, or how great, or how humanitarian it is can never be developed. Example, NK lies and says they are democratic and are not, the US lies and says we are free yet we incarcerate millions for a medical plant. See we are basically a larger more populated North Korea.
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:43 pm
Suicune wrote:How do I cause positive change in the future if I die today?
by Gaozu » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:44 pm
Yagon wrote:What do you tell them?
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:46 pm
Yagon wrote:Principality of the Raix wrote:Well I am not here to shame you, that's surely not the point.
However, I think this thread tests just how much a person can keep their integrity knowing they are going to die for it. Knowing that, if for survival you join dissidence for your beliefs survival in hope that you will live without having to pretend or pretending until you are within your group. I can understand that, as survival is instinct. All humans look to do is survive, which is an important thing. However, some just can not drop their morals and take up new ones that contradict their teaching or belief.
This raises the interesting point of whether one could even pull it off. It might be difficult to always mask your natural views, and when the dominant tribe says "we have to hang all the gays/minorities/atheists because they are in league with Satan and are using their magic to damage our water supply", it would be hard to not say "You're fuckin' serious with that? Magic?"
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:46 pm
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:49 pm
Yagon wrote:Principality of the Raix wrote:You don't, however there is such a thing as becoming a martyr for your own belief. Which in a thousand years could result in something like Saint Peter.
Does the martyring rely on being an example to others?
Would this change the dynamic based on what the likelihood is of that example being known?
(Imagine in one case many will hear of your death and consider it, and in another you are just shot down in your shelter and nobody really hears much about it).
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:52 pm
Principality of the Raix wrote:It would require being an example as most martyrs are examples, some based on their belief and some based on their principals. However they have always tried to lead by example. However you are right, as there are two ways it could go.
The second scenario, is if the vast majority is enjoying and or fine with their religion as it is.
The first scenario, is only if people dislike their religion or seek something better then previously given as shown through history.
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:54 pm
Gaozu wrote:Yagon wrote:What do you tell them?
Try to turn them against their own government! They're obviously much more moderate than the high-ups, strike a backroom deal with them. If they help us, we'll make sure they stay in power in some form or something.
Of course, it might not work! But if they feel bad about the 300 then they're not going to want to do the same to 800 after.
by Ethel mermania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:58 pm
Toronina wrote:My opinion is live to fight another day. I'm some random person, I'm not going to help bring about a communist state if I'm dead. Just tell them what they want, find a way to leave if possible.
by Ankuran » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:58 pm
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by Gaozu » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:00 pm
Yagon wrote:Would you do it?
by Narland » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:05 pm
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:07 pm
Ankuran wrote:Yeah, I'd do it. Keep my head down and do my best to be invisible or, failing that, unapproachable. Let my dissent stew until either something changes or I snap ("Ol' Bocephus got 'imself speared 'e did! Sayin' 'e can' take it no more an' ended up like a boar on a spit 'e did!"). Some people are lions, some are bears, and some are bulls. Me? I'm a cockroach. I'm not very pretty and my way of life is even worse, but at least I'm alive.
Good thread, btw.
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:28 pm
Yagon wrote:Principality of the Raix wrote:It would require being an example as most martyrs are examples, some based on their belief and some based on their principals. However they have always tried to lead by example. However you are right, as there are two ways it could go.
The second scenario, is if the vast majority is enjoying and or fine with their religion as it is.
The first scenario, is only if people dislike their religion or seek something better then previously given as shown through history.
Right, but what if nobody finds out about your death? If the dominant tribe just wipes out you and some others in the beginning, and your particular passing is not widely known of?
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:32 pm
Narland wrote:If by compromise my ideology you mean adjust my opinions and culture insofar as it does not defame Christ such as unjustly harming another, yes.
If by compromise my ideology you mean denying the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the glory due his name such as bringing harm to other human beings, it is an emphatic no.
by Albrenia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:48 pm
by Narland » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:51 pm
Principality of the Raix wrote:Narland wrote:If by compromise my ideology you mean adjust my opinions and culture insofar as it does not defame Christ such as unjustly harming another, yes.
If by compromise my ideology you mean denying the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the glory due his name such as bringing harm to other human beings, it is an emphatic no.
You realize the above situation is being played towards the secondary of your compromises, which due to the above situation places you like me in the nil survival for our integrity.
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