Scientists issue 'warning to humanity'

[Principality of the Raix]

I knew you would attempt that, but the very fact that 30,000 have said it.

Who probably didn't have experience in the associated field or even researched for very long, if they were scientists in the common understanding at all.

Or needed it to be "not" said, proves that climate change is more or less a hoax.

No, it does not, especially when you factor in the, what, hundreds of peer-reviewed papers and journals on the subject? If not hundreds, then dozens. There's boundless information on the subject if you'd look.

If you do not account for the 1,000 factors in climate change, and look at one co2 particle. You can tell something is falsified by these facts.

Nop, just nop. You're deliberately trying to frame CO2 as this lone particle to make your position more sound, when you're ignoring the reality where tonnes of carbon dioxide are released in the atmosphere every day. Also, we're supposed to be in a cool cycle, you realize.

While trying to claim humanity is the cause, when we have been burning coal longer then the industrial revolution took for us to become modernized. Only proves of the falsity of this claim.

Never quite on that scale before. Also suspect is the rapid rise in temperature following the years after industrialization.

I'm going to implore you to watch this video, I think it's really neato.

Are you a bit ignorant? As I stated studied one molecule, i never stated it being one molecule. Thus you are attempting to state my own statements for me, which are rather ignorant to what was stated.

[Imperium Centralium]

See, what I think we need to do is go for Europe first. The US, as most of us know, is the #1 Largest Economy in the World-not to mention it's bigger than 2 continents. It will not yield as easily to Environmentalist policies as would massive polluters that are yet smaller, like Poland with it's massive Industrial waste or the Consumerist trash of European powers like France, Sweden or Germany. That is where we should implement the plans for a green future. In hindsight, go for Finland as the first target. It's a super-modern nation that seems to really care about PR, which would make it a very good shot at Pro-Environment plans for the future of it's nation. Hell, it might become the Environmentalist capital of the world if it carries out such a plan!

China pollutes more then ALL the above and yet they will never relent, so your screwed.

They are doing what they can, it's just that even large solar farms and all that are comparable to a mere hair in front of the nine bulls that is the need to give 1.4 billion people energy.

[Albrenia]

Who cares? The government has no right to regulate what people do to the environment, even if it is harmful.

Exactly!!!! Thank you! This is the bottom line of everything!

So is it not a thing or is it just illegal to ask people to respond to it?

Them goalposts man, they move fast.

[The Black Forrest]

Who cares? The government has no right to regulate what people do to the environment, even if it is harmful.

Exactly!!!! Thank you! This is the bottom line of everything!

Hmmmmm nope not really.

[Skyhooked]

Actually there are too few known variables, to know things for sure. What if there is more than one natural cycle, which influences the temperature somehow? And they just started reaching high temperature points at the same time? Or maybe, pollution has it's impact, but actualy it's too small to cause this kind of problem.

Conspiracy theories have their place too. For exapmple: Global warming is a hoax, cooked up by certain CEOs, so their sales would skyrocket. Or perhaps governments belive in that, tight up some regulations, and thus cause damage to competitors.

The less we know about something, the more theories we create. 2+2? Only one answer: 4. What will happen after death? Thousands of theories and beliefs. And each one has it's own logic.

(Like folk gonna read this anyway)

[Dooom35796821595]

Who cares? The government has no right to regulate what people do to the environment, even if it is harmful.

Exactly!!!! Thank you! This is the bottom line of everything!

You owe NS a continue coin. Gold sovereigns will also be accepted.

[Principality of the Raix]

China pollutes more then ALL the above and yet they will never relent, so your screwed.

They are doing what they can, it's just that even large solar farms and all that are comparable to a mere hair in front of the nine bulls that is the need to give 1.4 billion people energy.

No, they are burning trash and using coal. Now if you intend to make them stop using coal, you will be killing those 1.4 billion people. So you guys as a whole are IN the wrong!

[Valrifell]

Who probably didn't have experience in the associated field or even researched for very long, if they were scientists in the common understanding at all.

No, it does not, especially when you factor in the, what, hundreds of peer-reviewed papers and journals on the subject? If not hundreds, then dozens. There's boundless information on the subject if you'd look. Nop, just nop. You're deliberately trying to frame CO2 as this lone particle to make your position more sound, when you're ignoring the reality where tonnes of carbon dioxide are released in the atmosphere every day. Also, we're supposed to be in a cool cycle, you realize.

Never quite on that scale before. Also suspect is the rapid rise in temperature following the years after industrialization.

I'm going to implore you to watch this video, I think it's really neato.

Are you a bit ignorant? As I stated studied one molecule, i never stated it being one molecule. Thus you are attempting to state my own statements for me, which are rather ignorant to what was stated.

I'm gonna toss this question out here: are you familiar with the means by which most climatologists agree climate change is happening, and how humans factor in?

[Principality of the Raix]

Exactly!!!! Thank you! This is the bottom line of everything!

You owe NS a continue coin. Gold sovereigns will also be accepted.

Funny, least someone has a sense of humor besides me.

[Valrifell]

Actually there are too few known variables, to know things for sure. What if there is more than one natural cycle, which influences the temperature somehow? .

We do have a climate cycle. Did I mention we, geologically speaking, literally just finished the coolest period of a mini-ice age? Because we totally shouldn't be getting this warm.

[Imperium Centralium]

They are doing what they can, it's just that even large solar farms and all that are comparable to a mere hair in front of the nine bulls that is the need to give 1.4 billion people energy.

No, they are burning trash and using coal. Now if you intend to make them stop using coal, you will be killing those 1.4 billion people. So you guys as a whole are IN the wrong!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

Things take time.

[Auze]

Personally I think that a lot of solar and renewable energy in its current state isn't enough to suffice with our growing power needs. We should go nuclear, a properly built and maintained reactor is almost full-proof.

nuclear reactors take years to build, it will be a while before we can make the amount of energy we need that way. Also, we don't have a safe and foolproof way to contain the waste.

[Free Tristania]

See, what I think we need to do is go for Europe first. The US, as most of us know, is the #1 Largest Economy in the World-not to mention it's bigger than 2 continents. It will not yield as easily to Environmentalist policies as would massive polluters that are yet smaller, like Poland with it's massive Industrial waste or the Consumerist trash of European powers like France, Sweden or Germany. That is where we should implement the plans for a green future. In hindsight, go for Finland as the first target. It's a super-modern nation that seems to really care about PR, which would make it a very good shot at Pro-Environment plans for the future of it's nation. Hell, it might become the Environmentalist capital of the world if it carries out such a plan!

In other words: destroy Europe's economies, dismantle its remaining industries and distribute the wealth they haven't handed over yet to the Third World or the "New Europeans" to some undemocratic cause by taxing them to death on overtly expensive products they would have to pay indulgences over to the Church of Climate Change and it's pope Al "I live in a massive mansion and I have a couple of private jets" Gore they would need to import from actual polluters while leaving the actual polluters like China and the U.S unharmed.

It almost sounds like "let's kill off any competition and destroy dissent". That would be the quickest route to a violent backlash by causing mass poverty and mass unemployment in an already depressed Europe which is also suffering from a migrant crisis.

[Albrenia]

You owe NS a continue coin. Gold sovereigns will also be accepted.

Funny, least someone has a sense of humor besides me.

I guess this is the part where you say 'ha ha it was all a joke'?

Very funny.

[Valrifell]

Personally I think that a lot of solar and renewable energy in its current state isn't enough to suffice with our growing power needs. We should go nuclear, a properly built and maintained reactor is almost full-proof.

nuclear reactors take years to build, it will be a while before we can make the amount of energy we need that way. Also, we don't have a safe and foolproof way to contain the waste.

Fusion is the future. If we can figure out how to contain it.

Waste for fission, at this point, can only be disposed by burying it in the desert.

[Principality of the Raix]

Are you a bit ignorant? As I stated studied one molecule, i never stated it being one molecule. Thus you are attempting to state my own statements for me, which are rather ignorant to what was stated.

I'm gonna toss this question out here: are you familiar with the means by which most climatologists agree climate change is happening, and how humans factor in?

Oh you mean the factor by which Co2 immersions have suddenly skyrocketed since 1970 and has supposedly been increasing, even when most countries have switched to using bicycles and or nuclear power. All exception of China or North korea, whom use coal as their primary source of energy and china who burns trash in the act of recycling it. While in fact, most of the world has cut back on anything that can be deemed pollutant. Which only comes to show that this is all a hoax, if you consider All the factors within it and not just the 1,000 factors that are capable of climate change.

[Principality of the Raix]

No, they are burning trash and using coal. Now if you intend to make them stop using coal, you will be killing those 1.4 billion people. So you guys as a whole are IN the wrong!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

Things take time.

Please use a source other then wiki, as i do not find that as a substantial source exactly like my teachers when i went to school. Find a more solid source, basically. Besides that, I would doubt to believe half of what comes out of china as it is basically saying what it wants you to hear and does not mean half of what they state.

[Skyhooked]

Actually there are too few known variables, to know things for sure. What if there is more than one natural cycle, which influences the temperature somehow? .

We do have a climate cycle. Did I mention we, geologically speaking, literally just finished the coolest period of a mini-ice age? Because we totally shouldn't be getting this warm.

Maybe that's caused by second natural cycle, we don't know much about. And how do we know, how fast it's supposed to get warm, and where is the maximum point of temperature? As far as I know, they didn't analyze weather accurately until 19 century.

[Valrifell]

I'm gonna toss this question out here: are you familiar with the means by which most climatologists agree climate change is happening, and how humans factor in?

Oh you mean the factor by which Co2 immersions have suddenly skyrocketed since 1970 and has supposedly been increasing, even when most countries have switched to using bicycles and or nuclear power. All exception of China or North korea, whom use coal as their primary source of energy and china who burns trash in the act of recycling it. While in fact, most of the world has cut back on anything that can be deemed pollutant. Which only comes to show that this is all a hoax, if you consider All the factors within it and not just the 1,000 factors that are capable of climate change.

Dude, that's just flagrantly untrue with reality. Most importantly, coal is still the most popular way people get their electricity, globally. Not in China or Norkland, globally.

[The Alexanderians]

I read the title and was half expecting a bunch of scientists made a doomsday device and were threatening to use it if their demands weren't met. Getting up to date lab equipment is so hard these days.

[Principality of the Raix]

See, what I think we need to do is go for Europe first. The US, as most of us know, is the #1 Largest Economy in the World-not to mention it's bigger than 2 continents. It will not yield as easily to Environmentalist policies as would massive polluters that are yet smaller, like Poland with it's massive Industrial waste or the Consumerist trash of European powers like France, Sweden or Germany. That is where we should implement the plans for a green future. In hindsight, go for Finland as the first target. It's a super-modern nation that seems to really care about PR, which would make it a very good shot at Pro-Environment plans for the future of it's nation. Hell, it might become the Environmentalist capital of the world if it carries out such a plan!

In other words: destroy Europe's economies, dismantle its remaining industries and distribute the wealth they haven't handed over yet to the Third World or the "New Europeans" to some undemocratic cause by taxing them to death on overtly expensive products they would have to pay indulgences over to the Church of Climate Change and it's pope Al "I live in a massive mansion and I have a couple of private jets" Gore they would need to import from actual polluters while leaving the actual polluters like China and the U.S unharmed.

It almost sounds like "let's kill off any competition and destroy dissent". That would be the quickest route to a violent backlash by causing mass poverty and mass unemployment in an already depressed Europe which is also suffering from a migrant crisis.

See someone knows where this idiocy is slowly going without having to even debate this idiocy.

[Valrifell]

We do have a climate cycle. Did I mention we, geologically speaking, literally just finished the coolest period of a mini-ice age? Because we totally shouldn't be getting this warm.

Maybe that's caused by second natural cycle, we don't know much about. And how do we know, how fast it's supposed to get warm, and where is the maximum point of temperature. As far as I know, they didn't analyze weather accurately until 19 century.

Nothing suggests a cycle this extreme in the fossil record, that I know of, or anything that anyone who studies dirt for a living has found.

[Albrenia]

I'm gonna toss this question out here: are you familiar with the means by which most climatologists agree climate change is happening, and how humans factor in?

Oh you mean the factor by which Co2 immersions have suddenly skyrocketed since 1970 and has supposedly been increasing, even when most countries have switched to using bicycles and or nuclear power. All exception of China or North korea, whom use coal as their primary source of energy and china who burns trash in the act of recycling it. While in fact, most of the world has cut back on anything that can be deemed pollutant. Which only comes to show that this is all a hoax, if you consider All the factors within it and not just the 1,000 factors that are capable of climate change.

Yeah, because most of the world has switched to bicycles and cars aren't a thing anymore.

[Imperium Centralium]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

Things take time.

Please use a source other then wiki, as i do not find that as a substantial source exactly like my teachers when i went to school. Find a more solid source, basically. Besides that, I would doubt to believe half of what comes out of china as it is basically saying what it wants you to hear and does not mean half of what they state.

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+renewable+energy

[Principality of the Raix]

Oh you mean the factor by which Co2 immersions have suddenly skyrocketed since 1970 and has supposedly been increasing, even when most countries have switched to using bicycles and or nuclear power. All exception of China or North korea, whom use coal as their primary source of energy and china who burns trash in the act of recycling it. While in fact, most of the world has cut back on anything that can be deemed pollutant. Which only comes to show that this is all a hoax, if you consider All the factors within it and not just the 1,000 factors that are capable of climate change.

Dude, that's just flagrantly untrue with reality. Most importantly, coal is still the most popular way people get their electricity, globally. Not in China or Norkland, globally.

Ooh then you are saying, you do not even know the science behind it. Why am I not surprised?