It's Okay To Be White campaign

[Sanctissima]

So what are these concerns of white people that the Democrats are failing to address?

Namely, complete abandonment of them in favour of fringe interest groups.

There is a reason why the Dems have rather consistently fared poorly in Congress, with very few exceptions, for the past couple decades.

[Valgora]

What part of that tweet demonstrates anti-white sentiment? It's the usual spiel complaining that a city is no longer absolute majority white British.

What part of Black Lives Matters demonstrates anti-black sentiment? It's the usual spiel complaining that they're being oppressed by white people still.

Also why do they name themselves that? If they called themselves all lives matter in the first place.

Black Lives Matter was created in response to police brutality, disproportionately against blacks.

They chose the name Black Lives Matter because they're trying to bring out what is the problem: police brutality against blacks.

[Holy Tedalonia]

So what are these concerns of white people that the Democrats are failing to address?

Namely, complete abandonment of them in favour of fringe interest groups.

There is a reason why the Dems have rather consistently fared poorly in Congress, with very few exceptions, for the past couple decades.

Faired poorly? For the most part democratic politics works like a pendulum. Swings back and forth from time to time. One side has more favor than others at certain times and gets replaced at certain times

[Sanctissima]

Namely, complete abandonment of them in favour of fringe interest groups.

There is a reason why the Dems have rather consistently fared poorly in Congress, with very few exceptions, for the past couple decades.

Faired poorly? For the most part democratic politics works like a pendulum. Swings back and forth from time to time. One side has more favor than others at certain times and gets replaced at certain times

Usually, that isn't supposed to occur for extended periods of time.

Especially in a two-party system wherein, ideologically, there isn't a huge gap between the parties. At least, not on paper, anyway.

[Holy Tedalonia]

What part of Black Lives Matters demonstrates anti-black sentiment? It's the usual spiel complaining that they're being oppressed by white people still.

Also why do they name themselves that? If they called themselves all lives matter in the first place.

Black Lives Matter was created in response to police brutality, disproportionately against blacks.

They chose the name Black Lives Matter because they're trying to bring out what is the problem: police brutality against blacks.

First off police brutality happens to everyone, and I tend to think police brutality reflects off of culture.

Black Lives Matters, from what I understand supports multiple minority groups, so why don't the go with "all Lives Matters" from the start?

Also Vamp Lives Matters is more important. It's a movement to sink your fangs into.

[Omakhandia]

Speaking of the Democratic Party abandoning white voters... I took this from Hillary Clinton's campaign website the day after the election.



This is really my issue with identity politics. You are 100% entitled to pushing your ethnic/racial group's goals when you are being marginalized and discriminated against. But what exactly is the point of segregating out all of these different racial categories for this campaign? This accomplishes literally nothing. It's fundamentally divisive.

You'll also notice that the group missing from this list just so happened to be the group that cost Clinton the election.

[Shofercia]

One of the concerns I'm seeing from those who think it's trolling, is that no one things that it's not ok to be white. No one, eh?

https://www.thenation.com/article/econo ... acism-did/

Economic Anxiety Didn’t Make People Vote Trump, Racism Did... Our analysis shows Trump accelerated a realignment in the electorate around racism, across several different measures of racial animus—and that it helped him win. By contrast, we found little evidence to suggest individual economic distress benefited Trump.

I.e. "white people voted for Trump not because of the economy, but because they're racist!"

https://www.thecut.com/2017/09/hillary- ... eople.html

“He was quite successful in referencing a nostalgia that would give hope, comfort, settle grievances, for millions of people who were upset about gains that were made by others,” she said.

Pauley: “What you’re saying is millions of white people.”

Clinton: “Millions of white people, yeah. Millions of white people.”

I.e. "white people are butthurt that minorities are prospering, and they aren't, those fucking deplorables who cost me the election, waaa!"

https://theundefeated.com/features/afri ... p-victory/

“Transparency is the order of the day. Now we see what was hidden,” said Melvin Steals, a retired teacher and principal who lives in the western Pennsylvania town of Baden. Fifty-seven percent of his county, a mix of rural areas and hollowed-out towns, voted for Trump. “It’s like the era after Reconstruction all over again, when they wanted to eradicate all of the gains made by blacks after the Civil War,” Steals said. After the war that ended slavery, an activist federal government helped the South’s newly freed African-Americans gain a toehold in society and elected offices before a racist backlash firmly restored white supremacy.

I.e. "first whites vote for Trump, next step is the KKK!"

And some just flat out say it: https://bullshit.ist/fuck-you-white-people-f0907289ad44

Hey White People, PoC here, so you know shit’s about to get real. Trump’s President-Elect now, and it’s revealed to the world what kind of racist pieces of trash ya’ll really are. So I’d like to get in on all the acceptable forms of hating White People that’s currently trending. Here goes! First off White People...

http://talynnkel.com/blog/2017/5/14/to- ... ite-people

To the Sad, Scared, Ignorant White People Fuck you. I have spent my entire life having to prove to you that I human. I have spent my entire life having to demonstrate how I’m just like you, except brown. I’ve had to prove it to my classmates, my teachers, my school administrators, my bosses, coworkers, car salesmen, store clerks, police, doctors, nurses, white strangers walking down the street. I’ve had to prove it to every fucking random ass white person I’ve met and didn’t give a fuck about because that’s what it means to live & survive in this country.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/dear-w ... he-fuck-up

Dear White people, please shut the fuck up. You think all lives matter and that that is why you oppose the Black Lives Matter Movement? Well, middle-aged White person, I agree with you in a sense. All lives matter, but, all lives currently do not matter in a country that openly endorses, accepts, and/or ignores racism and injustice. Do you think that you’re not privileged and that ‘white privilege’ is just a myth? That just means that you share in the privilege you are trying to ignore. It is my privilege as a white person to not mind myself with the ins and outs of racism. As of right now, my race does not affect my livelihood. Am I saying that I don’t have my own struggles? NO! But, when it comes to my race, I am not excluded from things I work for.

He tells whites to shut the fuck up, admits he's white, and keeps talking. Granted, we're not dealing with the intelligent people here, not even remotely, but the idiots should also be called our, and their stupidity should be addressed.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... ite-people

Samantha Bee took aim at the white voters who elected Donald Trump as president, claiming they have “ruined America” On Full Frontal, Bee discussed the post-election hand-wringing that followed Trump’s victory. “Once you dust for prints, it’s pretty clear who ruined America,” she said. “White people. I guess ruining Brooklyn was just a dry run.” She continued: “The Caucasian nation showed up in droves to vote for Trump, so I don’t want to hear a goddamn word about black voter turnout. How many times do we expect black people to build our country for us?”

[Holy Tedalonia]

Faired poorly? For the most part democratic politics works like a pendulum. Swings back and forth from time to time. One side has more favor than others at certain times and gets replaced at certain times

Usually, that isn't supposed to occur for extended periods of time.

Especially in a two-party system wherein, ideologically, there isn't a huge gap between the parties. At least, not on paper, anyway.

It should happen for extended periods of time. Nowadays it's to short, and the pendulum swinging back, but even though it's in my sides favor it feels almost to quick.

[Valgora]

Black Lives Matter was created in response to police brutality, disproportionately against blacks.

They chose the name Black Lives Matter because they're trying to bring out what is the problem: police brutality against blacks.

First off police brutality happens to everyone, and I tend to think police brutality reflects off of culture.

Black Lives Matters, from what I understand supports multiple minority groups, so why don't the go with "all Lives Matters" from the start?

Also Vamp Lives Matters is more important. It's a movement to sink your fangs into.

Police brutality is disproportionately used against blacks.
Sure white people suffer from it, but not to the extent that minorities, especially blacks, suffer from it.

[Petrasylvania]

Speaking of the Democratic Party abandoning white voters... I took this from Hillary Clinton's campaign website the day after the election.

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This is really my issue with identity politics. You are 100% entitled to pushing your ethnic/racial group's goals when you are being marginalized and discriminated against. But what exactly is the point of segregating out all of these different racial categories for this campaign? This accomplishes literally nothing. It's fundamentally divisive.

You'll also notice that the group missing from this list just so happened to be the group that cost Clinton the election.

White Identity Politics has been going on longer, plus it's successful and acceptable.

[New Zacharianasville]

The actual thing itself is OK, but just like all lives matter, it is basically extending a middle finger to the still ongoing civil rights movement. Things that seem innocuous can be rather offensive, like the word clever.

[Holy Tedalonia]

First off police brutality happens to everyone, and I tend to think police brutality reflects off of culture.

Black Lives Matters, from what I understand supports multiple minority groups, so why don't the go with "all Lives Matters" from the start?

Also Vamp Lives Matters is more important. It's a movement to sink your fangs into.

Police brutality is disproportionately used against blacks.
Sure white people suffer from it, but not to the extent that minorities, especially blacks, suffer from it.

Or it happens more often in cities filled with that race... you know some of the alleged anti-black police brutalities were black cops on black cops. It's just the classic point and screech method.

[Shofercia]

So what are these concerns of white people that the Democrats are failing to address?

Seriously? Alright, here goes:

- Rising costs of Healthcare (yes, I know it's also an issue that the RNC fails to address, but Blue Dogs weren't on the RNC)
- Porous Borders (when your country's economy is struggling, it's best not to extend a hand to others)
- Massive debt growth (again, also an RNC issues)
- Most of the economic recovery going to cities, not rural America, where the population is predominantly white
- Policies such as NAFTA, and Clinton/Obama wanted TPP to supplement it
- Continued support for affirmative action, remember the MLK Jr. quote about not wanting to be judged by the color of one's skin, but rather by the content of one's character? I guess that doesn't apply to collegiate applications
- Growth of the collegiate bureaucracy leading to more and more collegiate student debt
- Failing to realize that for us economics plays a key role; we don't want to live just as well as our parents lived, we want to live better, and we want our kids to live even better
- A Foreign Policy of Failure (also applies to the RNC,) Clinton bombed white people in Belgrade, and enabled for the ethnic cleansing of whites from Kosovo
- Obama's support of the Arab Spring - cost white people a lot of money as taxpayers, certainly didn't benefit us

Want me to keep going? And no, "but RNC does this too!" is not an excuse. If RNC wasn't being shit, Trump would also win the popular vote. We know the RNC is also shitty. Let's see you address these points with something other than "but brown people need help too!" and "should we abandon the rest of the World?" Clinton spoke in platitudes - who won that election?

[Chessmistress]

My opinion: it obiouvsly smells of victimhood, it's somewhat hyperbolic, even ridiculous.
But, technically, I don't see a reason to opposed such silliness: it deserve silence, it deserve ignoring it, taking silliness in a serious way could make the point for them.
Just my two cents as European who cannot really understand US issues.

[Albrenia]

Most of those aren't 'white' concerns though. They're 'people' concerns.

[Sanctissima]

Usually, that isn't supposed to occur for extended periods of time.

Especially in a two-party system wherein, ideologically, there isn't a huge gap between the parties. At least, not on paper, anyway.

It should happen for extended periods of time. Nowadays it's to short, and the pendulum swinging back, but even though it's in my sides favor it feels almost to quick.

Eh, with only a few notable exceptions in the early 2000's, Republicans have held a majority in Congress since... oh, I'd say at least the 90's.

The pendulum swings back and forth, sure, but it seems like it's staying on one end for considerably longer periods of time than the other. And I'd say that's largely due to the Democrats becoming progressively out of touch with the majority of the American population.

[Holy Tedalonia]

It should happen for extended periods of time. Nowadays it's to short, and the pendulum swinging back, but even though it's in my sides favor it feels almost to quick.

Eh, with only a few notable exceptions in the early 2000's, Republicans have held a majority in Congress since... oh, I'd say at least the 90's.

The pendulum swings back and forth, sure, but it seems like it's staying on one end for considerably longer periods of time than the other. And I'd say that's largely due to the Democrats becoming progressively out of touch with the majority of the American population.

Which is good, the longer it is the better. Increases political stability.

[Conserative Morality]

It should happen for extended periods of time. Nowadays it's to short, and the pendulum swinging back, but even though it's in my sides favor it feels almost to quick.

Eh, with only a few notable exceptions in the early 2000's, Republicans have held a majority in Congress since... oh, I'd say at least the 90's.

The pendulum swings back and forth, sure, but it seems like it's staying on one end for considerably longer periods of time than the other. And I'd say that's largely due to the Democrats becoming progressively out of touch with the majority of the American population.

Tell me more.

[Holy Tedalonia]

My opinion: it obiouvsly smells of victimhood, it's somewhat hyperbolic, even ridiculous.
But, technically, I don't see a reason to opposed such silliness: it deserve silence, it deserve ignoring it, taking silliness in a serious way could make the point for them.
Just my two cents as European who cannot really understand US issues.

I blame culture, and DNA tests nowadays. Everybody's a victim.

[Imperializt Russia]

If you have no power, your prejudice isn't able to do anything.

We have the "dictionary definition" of racism, that is a generalised understanding for trying to teach a layperson what a word is.
Then we have a substantive, contextual definition of racism that actually means something, to describe a phenomenon. This is, power and prejudice.

Yes, a white person in a majority non-white country where a majority of the institutions are controlled and run by non-white people obviously can "be racist", much as blacks in white-majority countries can "be racist". But these are movements that are minorities within minorities, they have no control and limited influence. They cannot capitalise on their views. The majority can.

(fyi, majority also has two meanings - numerical majority and social majority - who controls the power and influence in society)

"See, we have a basic layman's definition, and an advanced definition for us enlightened Marxists that the filthy proles we claim to represent are too stupid to comprehend."

Can you... be any more self-absorbed and condescending?

No, institutional power does not denote some kind of "substantive, contextual definition of racism". That's an utterly redundant view of racism that's rooted in a broader, outdated Marxist understanding of oppression.

I said there were two fucking definitions, that co-exist.

The dictionary definition of any word is a generalised layman's version for the sole purpose of teaching/maintaining/recording vocabulary.
That is what dictionaries are.
Almost all terms have additional advanced meanings in various contexts. Hell, this advanced definition of "racism" we're talking out is literally just "institutionalised racism, but with the institutionalised bit taken off". This doesn't make them contradict - this isn't a "I'm better than you".

The dictionary definition is not sufficient for a discussion of this magnitude.
This is true of almost every dictionary definition in almost every specific conversation.

[Albrenia]

DNA tests? Wut.

[Holy Tedalonia]

DNA tests? Wut.

Congrats your 1% victim.

They literally look at their DNA heritage, and look to see if they were descendants of oppressed people.

[Imperializt Russia]

Speaking of the Democratic Party abandoning white voters... I took this from Hillary Clinton's campaign website the day after the election.

(Image)

This is really my issue with identity politics. You are 100% entitled to pushing your ethnic/racial group's goals when you are being marginalized and discriminated against. But what exactly is the point of segregating out all of these different racial categories for this campaign? This accomplishes literally nothing. It's fundamentally divisive.

You'll also notice that the group missing from this list just so happened to be the group that cost Clinton the election.

Because typically, every ethnic group that isn't white has a lower voter turnout than whites, in white-majority countries.

So, since right-leaning parties are increasingly chasing a white-majority bloc, left-leaning parties are increasingly trying to capitalise by mobilising the minority blocs.

This is... the simplest fucking metrics.
Jesus fucking Christ, you people.

[Crysuko]

To me, this whole thing reeks of alt-right. I'm just waiting for the follow ups of them softly trying to push their ideology. I do beleive in racial equality, but giving any one colour or creed an undue amount of attention isn't the way to solve racial divides.

[Sanctissima]

Eh, with only a few notable exceptions in the early 2000's, Republicans have held a majority in Congress since... oh, I'd say at least the 90's.

The pendulum swings back and forth, sure, but it seems like it's staying on one end for considerably longer periods of time than the other. And I'd say that's largely due to the Democrats becoming progressively out of touch with the majority of the American population.

Tell me more.

Considering how we're talking about the 90's onwards, you're... kind of proving my point.