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Is it though?

It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:30 am

Saiwania wrote:I don't support any of this. I think the solution is for Whites to simply ignore any hostility as is possible and to become more insular and discrete. The majority White portions of the US should have their own de facto customs and rules and be separate and distinct from where the other races live.


And the entirety of history of this nation up until this point means that's possible how?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:31 am

Herador wrote:>There are no ulterior motives
>Let me tell you about all these ulterior motives


Do you not understand the definition of ulterior, or are you just naturally obtuse?

Doesn't help the whole thing is one big dog-whistle, but then again I suspect you support that.


Oh hell yes.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:32 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I don't support any of this. I think the solution is for Whites to simply ignore any hostility as is possible and to become more insular and discrete. The majority White portions of the US should have their own de facto customs and rules and be separate and distinct from where the other races live.


And the entirety of history of this nation up until this point means that's possible how?


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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:33 am

Oil exporting People wrote:Do you not understand the definition of ulterior, or are you just naturally obtuse?

Baby, I was born this way.


Oil exporting People wrote:Oh hell yes.

Can't blame the racist for being racist I guess.
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Postby Friently » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:34 am

Herador wrote:Yes, that is all it's saying, there were no ulterior motives whatsoever.

The ulteriour motive is expose the thinking done in a lot of countries, that a poster that says that it is not bad to be born white, is seen as a white supremacist, racist thing.

The entire motive is exposing the alt left and telling people that just as it is okay to be black, just as it is okay to be Asian, that it is okay to be white
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:36 am

Oil exporting People wrote:And the entirety of history of this nation up until this point means that's possible how?


It is quite simple, let White flight keep happening and have the US federal government turn a blind eye to it. It is just a fact of life that people will gravitate towards living near people similar to themselves, it isn't limited to Whites.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:36 am

Friently wrote:
Herador wrote:Yes, that is all it's saying, there were no ulterior motives whatsoever.

The ulteriour motive is expose the thinking done in a lot of countries, that a poster that says that it is not bad to be born white, is seen as a white supremacist, racist thing.

The entire motive is exposing the alt left and telling people that just as it is okay to be black, just as it is okay to be Asian, that it is okay to be white

Really? I thought it was to trick people into a conversation about discrimination against whites using a simple tagline as the basis and then once the conversation that was always about that topic is reacted to like it's about that topic /pol/acks could clap their hands and say "See, I told you liberals were the real racists!"

If I was twelve I'd even be impressed.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:37 am

Herador wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:As for Twitter, it's current year. It's 2017. The President shitposts on Twitter all the time. Most people react on Twitter. Searching Twitter is not a perfect method, but it's an acceptable heuristic. I can show you horribly bigoted statements about white people ranging from dozens of retweets to tens of thousands.

As for UC, the particular anecdotes I have reflect broader institutional problems, at least as far as my particular institution is concerned. I'll play those cards in a larger, more meaningful post that I've been meaning to write up for some time now.

Go for it. And I expect some real Klan shit.


Don't expect some real Klan shit. Let's remember what my initial claim was here. I'm going to demonstrate the extent to which some people think it's acceptable to be prejudiced and stereotypical towards white people. Unfortunately, I have an 8 AM and I'm supposed to get up in four hours. I'll respond eventually. Don't think I'm flaking, because I've been meaning to compile these together as part of my own personal research anyway. In the meantime, you can whet your appetite by doing a little searching of your own. What you find will shock you.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:37 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Herador wrote:Go for it. And I expect some real Klan shit.


Don't expect some real Klan shit. Let's remember what my initial claim was here. I'm going to demonstrate the extent to which some people think it's acceptable to be prejudiced and stereotypical towards white people. Unfortunately, I have an 8 AM and I'm supposed to get up in four hours. I'll respond eventually. Don't think I'm flaking, because I've been meaning to compile these together as part of my own personal research anyway. In the meantime, you can whet your appetite by doing a little searching of your own. What you find will shock you.

I'm shocked.

Really.
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Postby Friently » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:37 am

Herador wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:Oh hell yes.

Can't blame the racist for being racist I guess.

Laughing at the way the media blows a simple poster out of proportions is racist?

I don't think that word means what you think it means
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Postby Tesernia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:38 am

Herador wrote:
Friently wrote:It doesn't matter who puts up the poster, the message in its entirity is that it is not bad to be white, doesn't matter who puts it up.

Yes, that is all it's saying, there were no ulterior motives whatsoever.

Yes, and the logical response is to fucking lose your shit at an innocuous statement the entire purpose of which was to get a rise out of people.

WIthout the reaction, the campaign would've lost its motive. Had it been left alone, it would have proven that yes, whiteness is okay too, and nobody's actually biased against any broader ethnic group. All by itself, the phrase asserts nothing outside of that being white is nothing to be ashamed of. The real message was sent by the reactions to this phrase.

Unless you want to tell me that the most extreme examples of mainstream media didn't cover this in a way that'd initially lead you to suspect there was a child-sacrificing satanistic cult uncovered at an university or something.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:38 am

Friently wrote:
Herador wrote:
Can't blame the racist for being racist I guess.

Laughing at the way the media blows a simple poster out of proportions is racist?

I don't think that word means what you think it means

No, he's actually a racist, lurk moar
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:38 am

Herador wrote:Baby, I was born this way.


I will, for the sake of this discussion, assume the former.

ul·te·ri·or
əlˈtirēər/Submit
adjective
existing beyond what is obvious or admitted; intentionally hidden.


The phrase is meant to represent exactly what it says, and the campaign was meant to achieve directly what it has achieved, openly. I can literally tomorrow, should you so wish, go find the exact origin of this campaign and what its intended goals were/are.

Can't blame the racist for being racist I guess.


My actual beliefs are a bit unorthodox then would normally appear, but that's neither here nor there for the sake of this discussion.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:39 am

Herador wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Don't expect some real Klan shit. Let's remember what my initial claim was here. I'm going to demonstrate the extent to which some people think it's acceptable to be prejudiced and stereotypical towards white people. Unfortunately, I have an 8 AM and I'm supposed to get up in four hours. I'll respond eventually. Don't think I'm flaking, because I've been meaning to compile these together as part of my own personal research anyway. In the meantime, you can whet your appetite by doing a little searching of your own. What you find will shock you.

I'm shocked.

Really.


You wouldn't be shocked had you understood what my claim was in the first place, now would you?
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:39 am

Tesernia wrote:
Herador wrote:Yes, that is all it's saying, there were no ulterior motives whatsoever.

Yes, and the logical response is to fucking lose your shit at an innocuous statement the entire purpose of which was to get a rise out of people.

WIthout the reaction, the campaign would've lost its motive. Had it been left alone, it would have proven that yes, whiteness is okay too, and nobody's actually biased against any broader ethnic group. All by itself, the phrase asserts nothing outside of that being white is nothing to be ashamed of. The real message was sent by the reactions to this phrase.

Unless you want to tell me that the most extreme examples of mainstream media didn't cover this in a way that'd initially lead you to suspect there was a child-sacrificing satanistic cult uncovered at an university or something.

Herador wrote:Of course it is. Memelords used a purposefully loaded slogan as a dog whistle in response to spooky identity politics to incite a conflict where there was none.

Everyone who falls for this is dumb.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:39 am

Saiwania wrote:It is quite simple, let White flight keep happening and have the US federal government turn a blind eye to it. It is just a fact of life that people will gravitate towards living near people similar to themselves, it isn't limited to Whites.


Except they're not turning a blind eye to it, in fact they're forcibly working to prevent it.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:41 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Herador wrote:I'm shocked.

Really.


You wouldn't be shocked had you understood what my claim was in the first place, now would you?

I don't really care about your claim, you said you could find something and I asked you to find it. You said you could not find it.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:41 am



Trump will probably put an end to that if he hasn't already. For that alone, he'd have my vote for a second term if he delivers that- despite how much I don't like many of his other policies.
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Postby Friently » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:42 am

Herador wrote:Really? I thought it was to trick people into a conversation about discrimination against whites using a simple tagline as the basis and then once the conversation that was always about that topic is reacted to like it's about that topic /pol/acks could clap their hands and say "See, I told you liberals were the real racists!"

If I was twelve I'd even be impressed.

Which by definition of the word would be exposing them.
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Postby Uiiop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:42 am

Friently wrote:
Uiiop wrote:. A poster with a single sentience or a single slogan(Which BLM for all it's issues wasn't just) doesn't remove or clarify sides of the slogan.
3/10 poor bait.

It doesn't matter who puts up the poster, the message in its entirity is that it is not bad to be white, doesn't matter who puts it up.

If say an Asian Supremacist that wants to kill all whites, puts up a sign "its ok to be Asian", then there is nothing wrong with the sign, the message is still just that it is okay to be Asian, it doesn't have a fouble meaning or intention, all it says is that it is okay to be Asian which it is.

So it doesn't matter whether the KKK, Antifa, BLM, Nazis, centrists, lefts, rights, martians or whatever put up the poster, its about the one focys poster and that one poster says its okay to be white which it is.

People in general are going to read intentions to ambiguous things no matter what. I do it. You do it. The op's done it Everyone has done it. Convincing people to detach possible contexts especially contexts that trouble them and scare them is just going to take more than going "You dumb racists! lol."(Yes i'm aware of the irony but it's speaks to the efficacy of that tactic in general)
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:43 am

Friently wrote:
Herador wrote:Really? I thought it was to trick people into a conversation about discrimination against whites using a simple tagline as the basis and then once the conversation that was always about that topic is reacted to like it's about that topic /pol/acks could clap their hands and say "See, I told you liberals were the real racists!"

If I was twelve I'd even be impressed.

Which by definition of the word would be exposing them.

Yeah, believing there isn't widespread and systemic oppression of white people in this country isn't racist and tricking people to make them look dumb in a conversation about prejudice makes you look juvenile.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:43 am

Herador wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
You wouldn't be shocked had you understood what my claim was in the first place, now would you?

I don't really care about your claim, you said you could find something and I asked you to find it. You said you could not find it.


He said he could find some disgusting bigotry or something like that, which yes is quite prevalent on Twitter. You asking for some "real Klan shit" (what does that even mean?) and him saying no does nothing to invalidate his point.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:44 am

Of course its okay to be white, anyone who says it isnt is a racist muppet.

So distribute their leaflets, or anything else they want to put out as part of this campaign.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:45 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Herador wrote:I don't really care about your claim, you said you could find something and I asked you to find it. You said you could not find it.


He said he could find some disgusting bigotry or something like that, which yes is quite prevalent on Twitter. You asking for some "real Klan shit" (what does that even mean?) and him saying no does nothing to invalidate his point.

He said he could find something with "tens of thousands of retweets" I asked him to find just that.

Like I said, I don't care about his point, I just want to see that.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:45 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:I can show you horribly bigoted statements about white people ranging from dozens of retweets to tens of thousands.

36 Camera Perspective wrote:If you don't think there's a sizeable amount of people who think it's ok to be prejudiced against white people, who think it's ok to stereotype white people, who think it's ok to consistently mock and deride white people as nothing more than rich, privileged, ignorant people ready to reveal their true inner racism at any point, then I recommend you search Twitter for the term "white people" and see the horrific bigotry that results, or just ask me about many of the people I've met during my time at the UC system.


Somehow, Herador read these quotes and inferred I was putting the tweets on the same level as the KKK. The incompetency is shocking, really. I normally don't do this, but this is essentially how our conversation went:

Me: I'm going to point out examples of stereotypes, prejudice, and general bigotry towards white people.
Herador: This better be some Klan shit.
Me: Uhhh...why would you expect that? It's not Klan shit, just general prejudice.
Herador: See! I knew you had no argument.

My fucking world.

Herador wrote:I don't really care about your claim, you said you could find something and I asked you to find it. You said you could not find it.


Actually, I said I could find something, then you asked me to find something else, and now you're making a big fuss that I can't find the thing I never said I could in the first place.
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