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Is it though?

It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Total votes : 811

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:01 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Two million (generally considered a greatly exaggerated estimate but the highest acceptable one) is a third of 30+million?

Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.
More than 6 million died with Hitler though
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Catoll
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Postby Catoll » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:02 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:My point is that rehabilitation lowers reoffending rates compared to punishment, and reduces crime levels over all.

Yes, and my point is that you can't rehabilitate someone who's in the middle of perpetrating the crime.

Ostroeuropa wrote:You mean things are polarizing and escalating, and you view this as positive?
Strange. It doesn't *sound* like you're afraid, it sounds like you want a fight.

Do I want a fight? No. Will I put up a fight when people are actively attempting to harm me in some way? Absolutely.

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:02 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:*whispers* All of them.

That actually sounded intimadating

If a magic man appeared and told me that, I'd be quite intimidated too.

Or if a bottle of drug pills said that.

But honestly tho.. That curiosity..

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:03 pm

Catoll wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:My point is that rehabilitation lowers reoffending rates compared to punishment, and reduces crime levels over all.

Yes, and my point is that you can't rehabilitate someone who's in the middle of perpetrating the crime.

Ostroeuropa wrote:You mean things are polarizing and escalating, and you view this as positive?
Strange. It doesn't *sound* like you're afraid, it sounds like you want a fight.

Do I want a fight? No. Will I put up a fight when people are actively attempting to harm me in some way? Absolutely.


That's odd.
Reradicalization programmes disagree with you, isn't that strange?

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When it comes to blows, fine. And as I said, you aren't required to be nice to them, merely not go apeshit when others are trying to re-integrate them, and ideally, not to make it clear you're their enemy and act like it.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:04 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.
More than 6 million died with Hitler though

Talking about against one ethnic group that was being targeted and killed. Gauls and Jews were both killed and enslaved.
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:04 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:That actually sounded intimadating

If a magic man appeared and told me that, I'd be quite intimidated too.

Or if a bottle of drug pills said that.

But honestly tho.. That curiosity..

When you drink to much blood wine...
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Ism
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Postby Ism » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:04 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Two million (generally considered a greatly exaggerated estimate but the highest acceptable one) is a third of 30+million?

Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.


TIL Hitler only killed 6 million people.

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:05 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:More than 6 million died with Hitler though

Talking about against one ethnic group that was being targeted and killed. Gauls and Jews were both killed and enslaved.

fair
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:05 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.

Sure, if you count all the deaths that occurred during the war and blame all of them on Caesar, while only counting the undeniable amount of one ethnicity that Hitler specifically targeted civilians of in industrial mass murder without regard for the rest of his genocide or the wars he waged.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:05 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.

Sure, if you count all the deaths that occurred during the war and blame all of them on Caesar, while only counting the undeniable amount of one ethnicity that Hitler specifically targeted civilians of in industrial mass murder without regard for the rest of his genocide or the wars he waged.

also fair
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:06 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:fair

Gauls were not a united ethnicity. Caesar did not target 'the Gauls' but made alliances and deals in order to conquer the land of Gaul.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:06 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:fair

Gauls were not a united ethnicity. Caesar did not target 'the Gauls' but made alliances and deals in order to conquer the land of Gaul.

Fair, once again.

So.. first fair was not fair.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:07 pm

Ism wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.


TIL Hitler only killed 6 million people.

I think we can all agree Hilter killed an excessive amount of people.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:07 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.

Sure, if you count all the deaths that occurred during the war and blame all of them on Caesar, while only counting the undeniable amount of one ethnicity that Hitler specifically targeted civilians of in industrial mass murder without regard for the rest of his genocide or the wars he waged.

All the gallic deaths in the war and gallic enslavements alone. The enslavement part was for industrial profits. Julius Ceaser was the most effective slave trader ever.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:08 pm

No, it's not. We must all dye ourselves purple and await ascension into the glorious Covenant!
Thus begins the great journey!
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:09 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:No, it's not. We must all dye ourselves purple and await ascension into the glorious Covenant!
Thus begins the great journey!

Purple? Do blue. It would be the coolest Blue Man Group event ever.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:10 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:No, it's not. We must all dye ourselves purple and await ascension into the glorious Covenant!
Thus begins the great journey!

Halo! Its divine wind will rush through the stars, propelling all who are worthy along the path to salvation.
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:11 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:No, it's not. We must all dye ourselves purple and await ascension into the glorious Covenant!
Thus begins the great journey!

Halo! Its divine wind will rush through the stars, propelling all who are worthy along the path to salvation.

4 was what killed the Halos... :p
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:14 pm

The only people who are totally fine with this kinda stuff are either completely unable to suss out nuance or subtext and take everything at face value (quite likely very common on an internet forum) or overtly racist (also quite likely on an internet forum)

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:19 pm

Herador wrote:
Ism wrote:
TIL Hitler only killed 6 million people.

I think we can all agree Hilter killed an excessive amount of people.

He surely planned a lot more, til he was finally shot by Hitler. And Russians.

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Postby Catoll » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:19 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:When it comes to blows, fine. And as I said, you aren't required to be nice to them, merely not go apeshit when others are trying to re-integrate them, and ideally, not to make it clear you're their enemy and act like it.


It has come to blows. People are hitting back. It's scary as hell, I'll grant you that, but fucked if it doesn't need to happen.

Sure. Re-integrate all you like if people are actually willing to re-integrate. I'm not saying "don't reach out". I'm saying fuck the people who slap your hand away when you try to, and that's most white nationalists currently. Those people need to go the way of the Nazisaur to make way for the people who are genuinely misguided to get back to us. The manner in which you propose to foster an environment of understanding also involves enabling the neo-nazis to infiltrate and propogate across the board. We need to open our arms cautiously and at the right time. We need to invite them into our parlor, not our bedroom. I do not want to foster understanding and acceptance of nazis and their point of view so we can open communications, I want to get rid of them before they can spread to upper management and eliminate the ones who are already there.

In the meantime it's absolutely okay to ostracize the fuck out of them because otherwise they're going to continue to think it's okay to believe what they believe and they will continue to expand outside of their circles of influence which we have very wisely trapped them in. Again, once we have routed their current 'fighting force', sure, whatever. Let's have teatime with the skinheads. AFTER they're done trying to curbstomp people and pass fucked up legislation.

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Chespril
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Postby Chespril » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:27 pm

Irona wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Not necessarily...prejudice does not always lead to oppression.



Why do so many people who support social justice consider the intersectionality of everybody except for white people? Once you ponder this question, you'll start to see how hostile the rhetoric of social justice can be to whites.


As you just said, at the very least it implies widespread discrimination against white people. Which doesn't exist.

It's because white people historically aren't oppressed or discriminated against in the west. So why would they be included in rhetoric linking groups that have suffered systematic discrimination or oppression. It's really not that hard to get your head around.


Just because some people haven't been opressed before doesn't mean they can't become oppressed.

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The Lone Alliance
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:31 pm

I find the entire campaign to be hilarious.

All the people being butthurt over this including several people here.

Little bit of advice the whole thing about dog whistles is only the actual dogs should hear it, so if you're hearing it what does that make you?

Though on another hand it's also rather stupid too, so I don't know, I mean it's hilariously effective yet it's also just as easy to nullify in effect if people simply ignore it.
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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:35 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Yep, I'm so proud of the fact that my skin has low amounts of melanin comparable to that of other famous people./s

Honestly, people "proud" of there race, no matter which it is, need to grow up.

I mean, it's only something you had no choice in deciding, have no impact on changing, and is just assigned to you. Lots to be proud of, right?

imo blood type would be a better thing to rally behind. You can't change that with cosmetics.

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Postby Revolutionary Equestria » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:36 pm

A speech [...] about politics, about order, brotherhood... Power...
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The thing is that every single day that passes, there of the is something brewing in the collective mind of the human race. It is not some lie of inclusion and diversity, of unity and 'trooping through'. To overcome our most basic feelings, exclusion and nations. The pride in one's tribe... The human race is waking to a world darker then first envisioned, with no cosmopolitan dream to coddle us any longer. The races are bubbling with hate and ethnicity are either going to die or push each other away. The revolution is coming, and this time it will be the entire world. Entire nations will collapse and shatter, the great Empires like the United States and China. Entire continents will march against itself, in the grand scheme of things, it is coming very soon. Be it in our lives or that of our children, or even their children. The dystopia is coming to it's end, and the tribes of the world will end up free once again... - Order, Brotherhood, Power....
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Nature.

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