It's Okay To Be White campaign

[Catoll]

Wow, for the love of rights let them do what they want!

I will get the beating stick and I will make it into a cross, I swear on me mum bruv.

[Ostroeuropa]

As I said, you don't have to, but if you're not going to be constructive, its best to be quiet.
You're in a situation where someone is threatening to kill you, and you're there winding them up and stopping people from de-escalating the situation.

Except for the fact that they're already real wound up and escalating the situation on their own just fine without me. If they're going to continue to escalate, and they are dead-set on escalation, there is no amount of de-escalation that I can attempt that will bring around any kind of peaceful resolution, and I'm not going to wait for them to escalate it to actual violence before I start telling them to go fuck themselves. I'm not going to be quiet and sit pretty while things amp up more and more and people like you are acting as apologists for people who want to commit murder and perpetrate racial and ethnical segregation. Sorry, not sorry.

You're advocating literally the opposite of what we need to do when you say you want them isolated. It betrays a lack of comprehension on how cults and extremism works.

It isn't apologetics for their views, it's provably functional.
Do you think the way to deradicalize Jihadis is to constantly insult them and make sure nobody except Jihadis will tolerate their presence? That way lies explosions, same as listening to your views on this subject will lead to more black church shootings.

Our political culture should do what anti-extremist programmes do and get them ties in the community outside the extremist group, especially if it involves regular and positive experiences with members outside their demographic. This, alongside going through their beliefs and questioning them, calmly.

Hate is like a drug in that it's addictive behavior, but beyond that, if all your contacts do it, it's much more difficult to quit.

Consider, do you think it will lead to less drug addicts if we just up and declare nobody who doesn't do drugs will associate with them?

If you're worried, why don't you support what works?
I can only conclude its an excuse, and hate has toxified both you and them.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Wow, for the love of rights let them do what they want!

I will get the beating stick and I will make it into a cross, I swear on me mum bruv.

cross? pfffft, Vampires aren't harmed by crosses.

[Tekeristan]

I will get the beating stick and I will make it into a cross, I swear on me mum bruv.

cross? pfffft, Vampires aren't harmed by crosses.

What if the cross is the crossguard of a sword?

[Anarchitaria]

You're second go around wasn't better.

Whatever, you're just some random internet person

Then a forum should be the last place you should be on.

If you're going to dismiss an arguement just because Herador is a "random internet person", then really you are wasting your time on the internet in general.

[Holy Tedalonia]

cross? pfffft, Vampires aren't harmed by crosses.

What if the cross is the crossguard of a sword?

Perhaps, but I was talking about the cross stereotype that people think of vamps.


I'mma christian vamp, man!

[Republican Corentia]

Except for the fact that they're already real wound up and escalating the situation on their own just fine without me. If they're going to continue to escalate, and they are dead-set on escalation, there is no amount of de-escalation that I can attempt that will bring around any kind of peaceful resolution, and I'm not going to wait for them to escalate it to actual violence before I start telling them to go fuck themselves. I'm not going to be quiet and sit pretty while things amp up more and more and people like you are acting as apologists for people who want to commit murder and perpetrate racial and ethnical segregation. Sorry, not sorry.

You're advocating literally the opposite of what we need to do when you say you want them isolated. It betrays a lack of comprehension on how cults and extremism works.

It isn't apologetics for their views, it's provably functional.
Do you think the way to deradicalize Jihadis is to constantly insult them and make sure nobody except Jihadis will tolerate their presence? That way lies explosions, same as listening to your views on this subject will lead to more black church shootings.

Or to do what anti-extremist programmes do and get them ties in the community outside the extremist group, especially if it involves regular and positive experiences with members outside their demographic. This, alongside going through their beliefs and questioning them, calmly.

Hate is like a drug in that it's addictive behavior, but beyond that, if all your contacts do it, it's much more difficult to quit.

Consider, do you think it will lead to less drug addicts if we just up and declare nobody who doesn't do drugs will associate with them?

If you're worried, why don't you support what works?
I can only conclude its an excuse, and hate has toxified both you and them.

"It isn't apologetics for their views, it's provably functional.
Do you think the way to deradicalize Jihadis is to constantly insult them?"

Wow guys, all we need is LOVE and SUPPORT and people will deradicalize from their violent tendencies! You know, we don't need to deal with that whole saudi funding thing, or the racial caste system in the U.S.

[Ostroeuropa]

You're advocating literally the opposite of what we need to do when you say you want them isolated. It betrays a lack of comprehension on how cults and extremism works.

It isn't apologetics for their views, it's provably functional.
Do you think the way to deradicalize Jihadis is to constantly insult them and make sure nobody except Jihadis will tolerate their presence? That way lies explosions, same as listening to your views on this subject will lead to more black church shootings.

Or to do what anti-extremist programmes do and get them ties in the community outside the extremist group, especially if it involves regular and positive experiences with members outside their demographic. This, alongside going through their beliefs and questioning them, calmly.

Hate is like a drug in that it's addictive behavior, but beyond that, if all your contacts do it, it's much more difficult to quit.

Consider, do you think it will lead to less drug addicts if we just up and declare nobody who doesn't do drugs will associate with them?

If you're worried, why don't you support what works?
I can only conclude its an excuse, and hate has toxified both you and them.

"It isn't apologetics for their views, it's provably functional.
Do you think the way to deradicalize Jihadis is to constantly insult them?"

Wow guys, all we need is LOVE and SUPPORT and people will deradicalize from their violent tendencies! You know, we don't need to deal with that whole saudi funding thing, or the racial caste system in the U.S.

Once again, do you believe in a rehabilitative justice system?
Yes or no.
Why don't you think the same tactics work in these cases?

I didn't say love and support were sufficient. Love isn't even a requirement, necessarily. Merely providing alternative communities for them and accepting people take time to change, and that that change is more likely if you don't make them feel shit all the time.

The saudi funding thing is also an issue, precisely because it winds people up into extremes and cuts them off from the rest of society. You are a part of that problem.

[Tekeristan]

You're advocating literally the opposite of what we need to do when you say you want them isolated. It betrays a lack of comprehension on how cults and extremism works.

It isn't apologetics for their views, it's provably functional.
Do you think the way to deradicalize Jihadis is to constantly insult them and make sure nobody except Jihadis will tolerate their presence? That way lies explosions, same as listening to your views on this subject will lead to more black church shootings.

Or to do what anti-extremist programmes do and get them ties in the community outside the extremist group, especially if it involves regular and positive experiences with members outside their demographic. This, alongside going through their beliefs and questioning them, calmly.

Hate is like a drug in that it's addictive behavior, but beyond that, if all your contacts do it, it's much more difficult to quit.

Consider, do you think it will lead to less drug addicts if we just up and declare nobody who doesn't do drugs will associate with them?

If you're worried, why don't you support what works?
I can only conclude its an excuse, and hate has toxified both you and them.

"It isn't apologetics for their views, it's provably functional.
Do you think the way to deradicalize Jihadis is to constantly insult them?"

Wow guys, all we need is LOVE and SUPPORT and people will deradicalize from their violent tendencies! You know, we don't need to deal with that whole saudi funding thing, or the racial caste system in the U.S.

We can get to the hugging and stuff before or after they're trying to bash our head in.
Besides, such people usually put themselves into safe spaces and echo chambers to begin with, and I don't think too many people are in the mood to sing love when their eyes are stinging with mace at protests.

[Tekeristan]

What if the cross is the crossguard of a sword?

Perhaps, but I was talking about the cross stereotype that people think of vamps.


I'mma christian vamp, man!

I'll show you the face of god!

[Sovaal]

With the white population of the world declining world wide, it is nice to see things such as these that can make one take pride in their race

Yep, I'm so proud of the fact that my skin has low amounts of melanin comparable to that of other famous people./s

Honestly, people "proud" of there race, no matter which it is, need to grow up.

[Catoll]

If you're worried, why don't you support what works?

Social ostracization and preventative measures like keeping their target audiences informed about their true intentions works pretty well, and when shit really hits the fan, we all saw how things worked out in WWII. When they are actively escalating with the intention to cause harm and damage on a massive scale, that is not the time to open channels for polite discourse and 'de-convert'. That is the time to start kicking those fuckers out. When they are no longer in a position to do damage on a massive scale, THEN we can attempt opening channels of discourse and only then. Up to that point, they are the enemy.

[Ostroeuropa]

If you're worried, why don't you support what works?

Social ostracization and preventative measures like keeping their target audiences informed about their true intentions works pretty well, and when shit really hits the fan, we all saw how things worked out in WWII. When they are actively escalating with the intention to cause harm and damage on a massive scale, that is not the time to open channels for polite discourse and 'de-convert'. That is the time to start kicking those fuckers out. When they are no longer in a position to do damage on a massive scale, THEN we can attempt opening channels of discourse and only then. Up to that point, they are the enemy.

Klan membership and such has risen in recent years, not fallen. The far-right is also making gains across the western world.
The tactics of the progressive left have demonstrably failed, you aren't describing the reality of the situation.
Hate crimes have also increased.

You assert in spite of all evidence to the contrary that ostracization works.
It doesn't. It does the opposite, it would appear, in part by keeping the populace in fear of you, in part by ensuring a low rate of conversions, in part through overreach and such, etc.

Punishment based regimes to disincentivize behavior are inferior to rehabilitative ones, in every category of human behavior.

What it does, is make you feel better, because you're indulging in the lizard bit of your brain and being cruel, just like they are.
You think that doing it for "Justified" reasons makes it better, and perhaps it does. It doesn't make it constructive or beneficial though, to them, to you, to anyone.

Your assertion that it "Works" is merely based on your positive emotional response to it, not evidence.
Same as people who are convinced the death penalty deters crime.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Perhaps, but I was talking about the cross stereotype that people think of vamps.


I'mma christian vamp, man!

I'll show you the face of god!

Which god and which faith?

[Tekeristan]

With the white population of the world declining world wide, it is nice to see things such as these that can make one take pride in their race

Yep, I'm so proud of the fact that my skin has low amounts of melanin comparable to that of other famous people./s

Honestly, people "proud" of there race, no matter which it is, need to grow up.

I mean, it's only something you had no choice in deciding, have no impact on changing, and is just assigned to you. Lots to be proud of, right?

[Tekeristan]

I'll show you the face of god!

Which god and which faith?

*whispers* All of them.

[Hammer Britannia]

Which god and which faith?

*whispers* All of them.

Even the ones that counter-act each other?

Edit: 666th post on this thread!

[Holy Tedalonia]

If you're worried, why don't you support what works?

Social ostracization and preventative measures like keeping their target audiences informed about their true intentions works pretty well, and when shit really hits the fan, we all saw how things worked out in WWII. When they are actively escalating with the intention to cause harm and damage on a massive scale, that is not the time to open channels for polite discourse and 'de-convert'. That is the time to start kicking those fuckers out. When they are no longer in a position to do damage on a massive scale, THEN we can attempt opening channels of discourse and only then. Up to that point, they are the enemy.

Ironically our hero Julius Ceaser killed and enslaved (2 million) a third of what Hitler did...

It would've been called genocide today, but history has a weird way on looking back on past events...

[Tekeristan]

*whispers* All of them.

Even the ones that counter-act each other?

Did I hecking stutter?

[Catoll]

Once again, do you believe in a rehabilitative justice system?
Yes or no.

Yes. With rehabilitative justice, the crime has already been perpetrated, the victims are either dead or safely distanced (y'know, isolated) from the perpetrator, and we can start moving forward and moving on. But talking to neo-nazis isn't rehabilitative justice or even remotely comparable when they are, as we speak, attempting to cause change and reform to fit their radical ideologies. Not many crimes in progress have been stopped by negotiation, to continue your strange analogy. Some, yes. But not many.

Klan membership and such has risen in recent years, not fallen. The far-right is also making gains across the western world.
The tactics of the progressive left have demonstrably failed, you aren't describing the reality of the situation.
Hate crimes have also increased.

You mean in response to an upsurge of anti-WN sentimentality the WNs are hunkering down and fortifying in fear for their dying ideology, latching onto anyone they can? You don't say!

[Holy Tedalonia]

Which god and which faith?

*whispers* All of them.

That actually sounded intimadating

[Ostroeuropa]

Once again, do you believe in a rehabilitative justice system?
Yes or no.

Yes. With rehabilitative justice, the crime has already been perpetrated, the victims are either dead or safely distanced (y'know, isolated) from the perpetrator, and we can start moving forward and moving on. But talking to neo-nazis isn't rehabilitative justice or even remotely comparable when they are, as we speak, attempting to cause change and reform to fit their radical ideologies. Not many crimes in progress have been stopped by negotiation, to continue your strange analogy. Some, yes. But not many.

Klan membership and such has risen in recent years, not fallen. The far-right is also making gains across the western world.
The tactics of the progressive left have demonstrably failed, you aren't describing the reality of the situation.
Hate crimes have also increased.

You mean in response to an upsurge of anti-WN sentimentality the WNs are hunkering down and fortifying in fear for their dying ideology, latching onto anyone they can? You don't say!

My point is that rehabilitation lowers reoffending rates compared to punishment, and reduces crime levels over all.

You mean things are polarizing and escalating, and you view this as positive?
Strange. It doesn't *sound* like you're afraid, it sounds like you want a fight.

For the record, hate crimes rising and rising levels of intolerance for minorities and such demonstrates a failure, not a success. To cast it as one is a case of not giving a fuck about results, only your ideology, and any outcome that occurs will justify it to you.

A lack of enlightenment thinking, materialism, etc, in favor of ideology and mythology.

[A Carrier Pigeon]

From the original post:

"We are giving the left all the rope they want and they are racing to hang themselves. The goal is to expose the media’s anti-white bias through their reaction to a harmless flyer. It is working."

A campaign like "Black lives matter" is a positive campaign. However misguided you may think the principle is, the intention is to improve the lot of a portion of society.

This campaign is a negative campaign. It's stated goal is to make a fool of the left. So this campaign sucks.

It's easy to make a positive campaign. For example, in the UK, working class white males fall behind their peers in education. This is a genuine issue that impacts the future prospects of these children. Positive action needs to be taken to address this issue. That's something worth campaigning about, not some BS designed to make the left look stupid.

I agree positive campaigning on those issues is important, and i'd prefer to see it, and have it work.
However, those campaigns are often opposed by the left for noting disadvantages males and whites face. That is why campaigns like this are aimed at "The Left."
(Said as a syndicalist.)

Gandhism is based on a similar concept.
Provoking the enemy into revealing their barbarism to alienate moderate support.
Is Gandhism "Negative"?

I don't know much about Gandhism. As far as I know he was an Indian guy who thought that India should be ruled by an Indian rather than a British white male.
Bush, Clinton, Blair & Cameron were all white males. The problem for us isn't lack of white male representation by our rulers.

[Conserative Morality]

Ironically our hero Julius Ceaser killed and enslaved a third of what Hitler did...

Its wouldve been called genocide today, but history has a weird way on looking back on past events...

Two million (generally considered a greatly exaggerated estimate but the highest acceptable one) is a third of 30+million?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Ironically our hero Julius Ceaser killed and enslaved a third of what Hitler did...

Its wouldve been called genocide today, but history has a weird way on looking back on past events...

Two million (generally considered a greatly exaggerated estimate but the highest acceptable one) is a third of 30+million?

Two million deaths and enslavement is what Julius Ceaser did and if you count 6 million for Hitler. It'd be a third.