It's Okay To Be White campaign

[The Alexanderians]

Also I know this feel. That's a good man, it's the best way to spend your time.

Fuck going outside, the sun is a death laser and people blow

Depends on how much you pay big Leon before hand.

[Herador]

Fuck going outside, the sun is a death laser and people blow

Depends on how much you pay big Leon before hand.

ayyyyy, nice

[Catoll]

Kitty cat!
Totally stealing that.

Spread it like a disease.

[Ostroeuropa]

From the original post:

"We are giving the left all the rope they want and they are racing to hang themselves. The goal is to expose the media’s anti-white bias through their reaction to a harmless flyer. It is working."

A campaign like "Black lives matter" is a positive campaign. However misguided you may think the principle is, the intention is to improve the lot of a portion of society.

This campaign is a negative campaign. It's stated goal is to make a fool of the left. So this campaign sucks.

It's easy to make a positive campaign. For example, in the UK, working class white males fall behind their peers in education. This is a genuine issue that impacts the future prospects of these children. Positive action needs to be taken to address this issue. That's something worth campaigning about, not some BS designed to make the left look stupid.

I agree positive campaigning on those issues is important, and i'd prefer to see it, and have it work.
However, those campaigns are often opposed by the left for noting disadvantages males and whites face. That is why campaigns like this are aimed at "The Left."
(Said as a syndicalist.)

Gandhism is based on a similar concept.
Provoking the enemy into revealing their barbarism to alienate moderate support.
Is Gandhism "Negative"?

[Petrasylvania]

Fuck going outside, the sun is a death laser and people blow

Depends on how much you pay big Leon before hand.

Big Leon wouldn't want to get blown though. Puncture wounds.

[Tekeristan]

It's okay to be disgusted by whatever you feel like. What it isn't, is productive, and your lack of productive behavior is, as i pointed out, preventing actual solutions that harm societies most vulnerable by preventing rehabilitation of extremists. Be disgusted if you must, but be quiet too, you are not helping, and this is scientifically verifiable.

Yeah let's open channels of discourse with people who are literally calling for violent action against other human beings based on the color of their skin or their ethnicity. I'm sure we can just talk this out while they organize and mobilize. Historically, that's worked out, right?

Right?

Guys?

You talk to the people they're trying to get to, expose those who haven't publicly come out as nazis to the ones they know, and you keep your protest signs close should they go public.

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

Ok, I'll admit I'm less than perfect when it comes to expressing my thoughts. Something I always had trouble with, but let me try this again.

The left( read SJWs and feminazis not feminists) is pushing me towards the MRA as an idea and this campaign for shits and giggles. I'm disgusted by neo-nazis and actual racist, but I'll say something to just rile people up.

The examples I said before are antidotal, yes, but I don't partake in the internet beyond dank memes and let's plays.


Edit: Minor spelling and grammar fixes.

[Tekeristan]

Kitty cat!
Totally stealing that.

Spread it like a disease.

Already on my discords.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Vampire or Parasite?

Latter.

K, sorry if I offended you in making parasite sound not that bad.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's okay to be disgusted by whatever you feel like. What it isn't, is productive, and your lack of productive behavior is, as i pointed out, preventing actual solutions that harm societies most vulnerable by preventing rehabilitation of extremists. Be disgusted if you must, but be quiet too, you are not helping, and this is scientifically verifiable.

Yeah let's open channels of discourse with people who are literally calling for violent action against other human beings based on the color of their skin or their ethnicity. I'm sure we can just talk this out while they organize and mobilize. Historically, that's worked out, right?

Right?

Guys?

Calm debate and inclusion without vilification is not the same thing as toleration and leaving it undebated.
You're ignoring studies on the matter in favor of a mythology peddled to you by progressivism.

[Catoll]

You talk to the people they're trying to get to, expose those who haven't publicly come out as nazis to the ones they know, and you keep your protest signs close should they go public.

That I can absolutely get behind. I just think it's BS to say "Oh, we just need to be NICER to the neo-nazis, you know, to convert them to our side, and taking an active stand against them is detrimental to that!" rather than taking actual preventative measures to ensure they don't foster the creation of MORE neo-nazis in the first place.

[Herador]

Ok, I'll admit I less than perfect when it comes to expressing my thoughts. Something I always had trouble with, but let me try this again.

The left( read SJWs and feminazis not feminists) is pushing me towards the MRA as an idea and this campaign for shits and giggles. I'm disgusted by neo-nazis and actual racist, but I'll say something to just rile people up.

The examples I said before are antidotal, yes, but I don't partake in the internet beyond dank memes and let's plays.

You're second go around wasn't better.

[Tekeristan]

Nature is relaxing. Especially with a loyal dog who keeps you safe and you keep them safe. The brisk air on your ears, the air in your lungs, well.. It's the calm moments away from it all that help the most.
The vitamin D helps tho.

Come, walk with me. Just don't talk too much.

Sounds romantic, I'll bring the picnic basket if you bring the wine.

You want to get buzzed or hammered?
I ask cause I got this homemade hooch raspberry wine that kicks like a damn horse.
I live in the sort of community where people can walk into your home and leave gifts on the counter for various things you've done for them.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Nature is relaxing. Especially with a loyal dog who keeps you safe and you keep them safe. The brisk air on your ears, the air in your lungs, well.. It's the calm moments away from it all that help the most.
The vitamin D helps tho.

Come, walk with me. Just don't talk too much.

Sounds romantic, I'll bring the picnic basket if you bring the wine.

Blood wine? I love blood wine!

[Tekeristan]

You talk to the people they're trying to get to, expose those who haven't publicly come out as nazis to the ones they know, and you keep your protest signs close should they go public.

That I can absolutely get behind. I just think it's BS to say "Oh, we just need to be NICER to the neo-nazis, you know, to convert them to our side, and taking an active stand against them is detrimental to that!" rather than taking actual preventative measures to ensure they don't foster the creation of MORE neo-nazis in the first place.

You can't exactly sit down and talk to those that have fallen too deep. But you can to the ones they're trying to nab.

[Holy Tedalonia]

You talk to the people they're trying to get to, expose those who haven't publicly come out as nazis to the ones they know, and you keep your protest signs close should they go public.

That I can absolutely get behind. I just think it's BS to say "Oh, we just need to be NICER to the neo-nazis, you know, to convert them to our side, and taking an active stand against them is detrimental to that!" rather than taking actual preventative measures to ensure they don't foster the creation of MORE neo-nazis in the first place.

Freedom of Speech bro

[Ostroeuropa]

You talk to the people they're trying to get to, expose those who haven't publicly come out as nazis to the ones they know, and you keep your protest signs close should they go public.

That I can absolutely get behind. I just think it's BS to say "Oh, we just need to be NICER to the neo-nazis, you know, to convert them to our side, and taking an active stand against them is detrimental to that!" rather than taking actual preventative measures to ensure they don't foster the creation of MORE neo-nazis in the first place.

You "Think it's BS" in spite of evidence to the contrary.
Do you believe in a rehabilitative justice system?

Then why do you act like you don't when dealing with political enemies?
It reveals a lack of coherence.

As an example, having the BNP leader nick griffin on question time gutted their support because he was debated, fairly, and shown to be uninformed.
Further examples include rehabilitation strategies used to literally fucking rehabilitate extremists, sectarians, and racists by government agencies, not some jumped up college students "I reckon"s and their hysterical shills in the media.

You don't care about racism, or the victims of it, and you don't want to prevent "More being created" or you'd go for what works based on evidence, rather than shilling for what allows you to be cruel to people.

[Tekeristan]

Latter.

K, sorry if I offended you in making parasite sound not that bad.

It's all good!

[Republican Corentia]

Oh really? Because most of the response I've seen from the left on this whole thing has been calling out nazis/white supremacists/the fascist sympathizers who go around sharing it on twitter or something. Get your feelings hurt by this or whatever, but it's not anti-white racism to take a stand against white supremacists. More often than not, these people pursue political goals that will be ultimately destructive to whites which makes the "okay to be white" meme even more of an empty phrase outside of the propaganda uses.

Your claims of insincerity are unfounded. Is it somehow not okay to find bigotry hiding behind a veil disgusting now? I think not. I'm not an anti-white racist, nor does that even exist on the left in any major form coming from me, a white communist male, who has talked with leftists of many different persuasions over the past few years.

EDIT: I read your updated post. Those two things are not the same, so of course I would have different standards.

It's okay to be disgusted by whatever you feel like. What it isn't, is productive, and your lack of productive behavior is, as i pointed out, preventing actual solutions that harm societies most vulnerable by preventing rehabilitation of extremists. Be disgusted if you must, but be quiet too, you are not helping, and this is scientifically verifiable.

How are they not the same?

Suppose a neutral organization (Secretly run by democrats) put out there;
"We should have public healthcare."

And the republicans absolutely fucking lost their shit, thus driving people to the democrats. (Even if the democratic party wasn't pro-universal healthcare in the first place.)

None of that justifies the republicans losing their shit, and ultimately, its a suckers move.

That's what's gone on here, basically, and you're ignoring that In order for that to work as "Recruitment" there have to be non-racists who agree with the statement, who you are alienating by freaking out whenever it is uttered

Your own argument as to what is going on contains the seeds of its own destruction.

I don't think you're the one to be telling me what's productive and what's not. It's backseat political strategy coming from the NS Forums lmao. Getting pack to your point though, the problem is not the anger of the left-wing or the unproductive nature, rather it's the rhetorical strategies employed by neo-nazis that are the main obstacle to revealing the veil I talked about in my previous post. This makes for situations where I can say the "it's okay to be white" campaign was made by neo-nazis, and then someone comes out from right-field and says "OH SO YOU DON'T THINK IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE?" and etc etc. If anything, this is just another battle of words to me.

Your example still fails to actually be coherent with what's happening. First, you've told me I had a bogus standard, and now you're using it to demonstrate I'm a sucker or something for pointing out where this campaign originated. I think somewhere that we should be going with this is that, why are you arguing as if this campaign was actually made by neo-nazis when supporting it yourself? Who's the insincere one here?

"That's what's gone on here, basically, and you're ignoring that In order for that to work as "Recruitment" there have to be non-racists who agree with the statement, who you are alienating by freaking out whenever it is uttered"

Not how this works/is working. Someone can harbor feelings that aren't necessarily on the white nationalist line while still being racist. That's the point of a dog whistle - you bring them in. That's what this campaign is. To just hammer in my point about your insincerity with all of this, you keep implying I'm in fact the one "freaking out" about all this when in reality it's you who have constantly framed the left as anti-white especially in regards to this one specific issue when people keep telling you the phrase itself is not the problem whatsoever.

[Catoll]

Calm debate and inclusion without vilification is not the same thing as toleration and leaving it undebated.
You're ignoring studies on the matter in favor of a mythology peddled to you by progressivism.

I get the studies on the matter, I'm sure they're fully verifiable and reliable and it's probably true that sitting down and talking to some of these people about why they're wrong is exactly what needs to happen in some cases, it's just that I'm not going to open communications with someone who is actively attempting to deny me or the people I love their most basic civil rights. I'm not going to tolerate that whatsoever. They have already closed off the majority of any kind of peaceful discourse by saying they want to fucking kill me or my friends and family. I'm perfectly okay with segregating and isolating neo-nazis until they suffocate on their own hatred. Anyone who actually wants to talk about it can, by all means, though! But most of them do not want to talk about it. Their minds are made up.

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

Ok, I'll admit I less than perfect when it comes to expressing my thoughts. Something I always had trouble with, but let me try this again.

The left( read SJWs and feminazis not feminists) is pushing me towards the MRA as an idea and this campaign for shits and giggles. I'm disgusted by neo-nazis and actual racist, but I'll say something to just rile people up.

The examples I said before are antidotal, yes, but I don't partake in the internet beyond dank memes and let's plays.

You're second go around wasn't better.

Whatever, you're just some random internet person

[Ostroeuropa]

Calm debate and inclusion without vilification is not the same thing as toleration and leaving it undebated.
You're ignoring studies on the matter in favor of a mythology peddled to you by progressivism.

I get the studies on the matter, I'm sure they're fully verifiable and reliable and it's probably true that sitting down and talking to some of these people about why they're wrong is exactly what needs to happen in some cases, it's just that I'm not going to open communications with someone who is actively attempting to deny me or the people I love their most basic civil rights. I'm not going to tolerate that whatsoever. They have already closed off the majority of any kind of peaceful discourse by saying they want to fucking kill me or my friends and family. I'm perfectly okay with segregating and isolating neo-nazis until they suffocate on their own hatred. Anyone who actually wants to talk about it can, by all means, though! But most of them do not want to talk about it. Their minds are made up.

As I said, you don't have to, but if you're not going to be constructive, its best to be quiet.
You're in a situation where someone is threatening to kill you, and I accept that despite their veiled nonsense that is what's going on, and you're there winding them up and stopping people from de-escalating the situation.

i accept that for that to be universally true, we need to radically change our approach and get hysterical progressives AND racist nutjobs to sit down and listen to calmer voices.

[Herador]

You're second go around wasn't better.

Whatever, you're just some random internet person

You cared enough about random strangers opinions to post it in the first place. You didn't tackle any of what the 3-4 responses you got in your first post criticized you on, you just repeated yourself.

[Catoll]

As I said, you don't have to, but if you're not going to be constructive, its best to be quiet.
You're in a situation where someone is threatening to kill you, and you're there winding them up and stopping people from de-escalating the situation.

Except for the fact that they're already real wound up and escalating the situation on their own just fine without me. If they're going to continue to escalate, and they are dead-set on escalation, there is no amount of de-escalation that I can attempt that will bring around any kind of peaceful resolution, and I'm not going to wait for them to escalate it to actual violence before I start telling them to go fuck themselves. I'm not going to be quiet and sit pretty while things amp up more and more and people like you are acting as apologists for people who want to commit murder and perpetrate racial and ethnical segregation. Sorry, not sorry.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Calm debate and inclusion without vilification is not the same thing as toleration and leaving it undebated.
You're ignoring studies on the matter in favor of a mythology peddled to you by progressivism.

I get the studies on the matter, I'm sure they're fully verifiable and reliable and it's probably true that sitting down and talking to some of these people about why they're wrong is exactly what needs to happen in some cases, it's just that I'm not going to open communications with someone who is actively attempting to deny me or the people I love their most basic civil rights. I'm not going to tolerate that whatsoever. They have already closed off the majority of any kind of peaceful discourse by saying they want to fucking kill me or my friends and family. I'm perfectly okay with segregating and isolating neo-nazis until they suffocate on their own hatred. Anyone who actually wants to talk about it can, by all means, though! But most of them do not want to talk about it. Their minds are made up.

Wow, for the love of rights let them do what they want! Speaking about rights, when can vampires not be oppressed by the VSA