It's Okay To Be White campaign

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

Just like MRA, the left is pushing me into this stuff.

That's a really convenient way to justify your own racism, but okay.

I'm called a neo-nazi because I'm white and shave my head(due to a certain condition),

My dad is white with a shaved head and nobody calls him a neo-nazi because he doesn't spout neo-nazi slogans or promote other neo-nazi bullshit. Who exactly is doing this to you?

I'm called racist when I use FBI stats to explain why police go after certain groups,

Statistical racism is still racism, unless you mean you're simply providing context to explain institutional racism, in which case again I have to ask who is doing this to you?

I'm told I'm supposed to enjoy being sexually assaulted because I'm a man.

By WHOOO??? Can you actually give me solid examples of this that don't come from Tumblr or are you just playing the victim card because it's a convenient way to alleviate all guilt? Because it sounds like you have a lot of guilt in your heart. I wonder why.

I'm not racist nor am I sexist. I said pushing towards and not part of.

I never said any neo-nazi stuff, but people at my college have called me a neo-nazi. I had classmates and random people tell me that.

Professor asked the class why a disproportionate amount of blacks are in prison. A black girl said because of racism and I used stats published by the FBI. She responded that it was racist to say that.

Again, this happened in class when I said "he or she" in context of sex crime victims. A woman got upset and said that men can't be victims since we "enjoy being touched down there." I lost it because I've been a victim.

I have guilt, but not for any of the reasons you think.

[Tekeristan]

Some more than others, though!

Us vampires have to deal with being called monsters. Sadly my ancestors were'nt the friendliest chaps

Huh. I've usually just heard the term parasite.

[Holy Tedalonia]

So its a bunch of rich white college kids again? It's funny how they love forgetting how often whites looked down upon other whites. It's obvious their point is to promote argument. Its a dog whistle and the minute you point it out its deny deny deny. Whites aren't facing a massive discrimination campaign against them by the government, surprisingly there is no "mayo" genocide as its been called.

Hey, they always leave out the vampire.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Us vampires have to deal with being called monsters. Sadly my ancestors were'nt the friendliest chaps

Huh. I've usually just heard the term parasite.

That's the politically correct term.

[Tekeristan]

So its a bunch of rich white college kids again? It's funny how they love forgetting how often whites looked down upon other whites. It's obvious their point is to promote argument. Its a dog whistle and the minute you point it out its deny deny deny. Whites aren't facing a massive discrimination campaign against them by the government, surprisingly there is no "mayo" genocide as its been called.

Hey, they always leave out the vampire.

Not usually seen during day classes?

[Republican Corentia]

>Racists acting not racist to wind people up sounds like a bonus

No, that's not what's happening here. We have racists lying about not being racists, and using it to recruit for milquetoast white nationalism. if this is what you've gathered from why people are mad at nazis - then you've made a complete departure from any sort of reality. They know consciously that it will make the left mad not (necessarily) because they genuinely hate white people or whatever, but because they know the left will fight them on any sort of campaign they present. Rather than having extremist views all the more vindicated as you suggest, it's had the other effect of being disseminated and popular throughout the alt-lite.

Before you give me another hot take, perhaps ask yourself if I'm the one out there organizing for nazis before you start to blame me for any problem. I've avoided any sort of debate about this issue because it's such a blatantly obvious recruitment meme.

That only reveals that the left has adopted toxic mindsets with regards to its campaigning and the way it conceptualizes both politics and its opponents.
Campaigning against people just for the sake of it based on who they are, rather than the nature of the campaign/statement, is inadvisable both in political support terms (Alienates potential support as they see you flip your shit over innocuous or positive things), and disincentivizes reformation of opponents.

There's been consistent study showing that the way to reform bigots is through inclusion and dialogue that isn't immediately hostile and aggressive.
(See the trans study, and the work of countless civil rights activists.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/scie ... finds.html )

If the left wants to continue being self-destructive and toxic as some kind of purity test, and in the process throw EVERYBODY under the bus, then that deserves to be baited and noticed by people.

I can only conclude that the anti-racist sentiment of the left you refer to in that case is entirely insincere, and based more in liking being aggressive and hostile to others, and base impulses.

(Note, I am on the left as well, merely not an anti-white racist or anti-male sexist.)

Oh really? Because most of the response I've seen from the left on this whole thing has been calling out nazis/white supremacists/the fascist sympathizers who go around sharing it on twitter or something. Get your feelings hurt by this or whatever, but it's not anti-white racism to take a stand against white supremacists. More often than not, these people pursue political goals that will be ultimately destructive to whites which makes the "okay to be white" meme even more of an empty phrase outside of the propaganda uses.

Your claims of insincerity are unfounded. Is it somehow not okay to find bigotry hiding behind a veil disgusting now? I think not. I'm not an anti-white racist, nor does that even exist on the left in any major form coming from me, a white communist male, who has talked with leftists of many different persuasions over the past few years.

EDIT: I read your updated post. Those two things are not the same, so of course I would have different standards.

[Kennlind]

I don't know many people who think it's bad to be white. However the reaction is certainly justifying the people that put the posters up, labeling them racist... I'm not really proud of my race to be honest, it's a part of my identity but whiteness is such a broad thing. Identifying with your culture (in my case, Irish and Scottish) makes more sense.

[Tekeristan]

Huh. I've usually just heard the term parasite.

That's the politically correct term.

Huh. Didn't they it would be. Parasite has some pretty harsh connotations.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Hey, they always leave out the vampire.

Not usually seen during day classes?

Never. Unless I do the umbrella in none rainy weather tactic, but that makes me look so stupid...

[Ostroeuropa]

That's a really convenient way to justify your own racism, but okay.

My dad is white with a shaved head and nobody calls him a neo-nazi because he doesn't spout neo-nazi slogans or promote other neo-nazi bullshit. Who exactly is doing this to you?

Statistical racism is still racism, unless you mean you're simply providing context to explain institutional racism, in which case again I have to ask who is doing this to you?

By WHOOO??? Can you actually give me solid examples of this that don't come from Tumblr or are you just playing the victim card because it's a convenient way to alleviate all guilt? Because it sounds like you have a lot of guilt in your heart. I wonder why.

I'm not racist nor am I sexist. I said pushing towards and not part of.

I never said any neo-nazi stuff, but people at my college have called me a neo-nazi. I had classmates and random people tell me that.

Professor asked the class why a disproportionate amount of blacks are in prison. A black girl said because of racism and I used stats published by the FBI. She responded that it was racist to say that.

Again, this happened in class when I said "he or she" in context of sex crime victims. A woman got upset and said that men can't be victims since we "enjoy being touched down there." I lost it because I've been a victim.

I have guilt, but not for any of the reasons you think.

I'm concerned that you place the MRM on the same vector as white nationalism.
Your experience as a victim of sexual assault and the following discrimination and prejudice, is something that should be recognized and dealt with as an actual problem, and the MRM seems like the movement seeking to achieve that, in that it advocates for mens issues to be taken seriously, and calls out those it sees as opposing progress on that front.

But white nationalism is not the answer to progressive denials over statistical arguments or potential alternative explanations to phenomena, materialism and pro-science/philosophy advocacy is. Demanding rigor in academia and vigilant skepticism of dominant narratives, alongside an insistence on challenging accepted answers, etc.

I understand the comparison you made, but I think it's important to point out that only one of these groups will actually offer solutions to the problems.
White nationalists are loud and brazen, and so represent the most obvious choice for where to go when you are "Pushed", but they aren't a valid option.
The MRM conversely, is a valid option.

[Holy Tedalonia]

That's the politically correct term.

Huh. Didn't they it would be. Parasite has some pretty harsh connotations.

It is, but they decided that's "less mean"

[Catoll]

I'm not racist nor am I sexist. I said pushing towards and not part of.

Oh, right, thanks for the clarification. That's MUCH better. Being those things isn't OK, but pushing towards them is just fine.

I never said any neo-nazi stuff, but people at my college have called me a neo-nazi. I had classmates and random people tell me that.

So you're basing your entire argument and philosophy here on anecdotal experience. Okay. I'm sorry that happened to you but it is not reflective of society or even just the left as a whole. The rest of your points can pretty tidily be summed up with that, too.

[Ostroeuropa]

That only reveals that the left has adopted toxic mindsets with regards to its campaigning and the way it conceptualizes both politics and its opponents.
Campaigning against people just for the sake of it based on who they are, rather than the nature of the campaign/statement, is inadvisable both in political support terms (Alienates potential support as they see you flip your shit over innocuous or positive things), and disincentivizes reformation of opponents.

There's been consistent study showing that the way to reform bigots is through inclusion and dialogue that isn't immediately hostile and aggressive.
(See the trans study, and the work of countless civil rights activists.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/scie ... finds.html )

If the left wants to continue being self-destructive and toxic as some kind of purity test, and in the process throw EVERYBODY under the bus, then that deserves to be baited and noticed by people.

I can only conclude that the anti-racist sentiment of the left you refer to in that case is entirely insincere, and based more in liking being aggressive and hostile to others, and base impulses.

(Note, I am on the left as well, merely not an anti-white racist or anti-male sexist.)

Oh really? Because most of the response I've seen from the left on this whole thing has been calling out nazis/white supremacists/the fascist sympathizers who go around sharing it on twitter or something. Get your feelings hurt by this or whatever, but it's not anti-white racism to take a stand against white supremacists. More often than not, these people pursue political goals that will be ultimately destructive to whites which makes the "okay to be white" meme even more of an empty phrase outside of the propaganda uses.

Your claims of insincerity are unfounded. Is it somehow not okay to find bigotry hiding behind a veil disgusting now? I think not. I'm not an anti-white racist, nor does that even exist on the left in any major form coming from me, a white communist male, who has talked with leftists of many different persuasions over the past few years.

EDIT: I read your updated post. Those two things are not the same, so of course I would have different standards.

It's okay to be disgusted by whatever you feel like. What it isn't, is productive, and your lack of productive behavior is, as i pointed out, preventing actual solutions that harm societies most vulnerable by preventing rehabilitation of extremists. Be disgusted if you must, but be quiet too, you are not helping, and this is scientifically verifiable.

How are they not the same?

Suppose a neutral organization (Secretly run by democrats) put out there;
"We should have public healthcare."

And the republicans absolutely fucking lost their shit, thus driving people to the democrats. (Even if the democratic party wasn't pro-universal healthcare in the first place.)

None of that justifies the republicans losing their shit, and ultimately, its a suckers move.

That's what's gone on here, basically, and you're ignoring that In order for that to work as "Recruitment" there have to be non-racists who agree with the statement, who you are alienating by freaking out whenever it is uttered

Your own argument as to what is going on contains the seeds of its own destruction.

[Tekeristan]

Huh. Didn't they it would be. Parasite has some pretty harsh connotations.

It is, but they decided that's "less mean"

Huh. My brother almost died to one.

[Petrasylvania]

Some more than others, though!

Us vampires have to deal with being called monsters. Sadly my ancestors were'nt the friendliest chaps

You sparkly freaks.

[The East Marches II]

It's ok, I know that feel tbh

All I can do is pull on my leather boots, and enjoy the hikes through the countryside alongside my dog while they last.

Also I know this feel. That's a good man, it's the best way to spend your time.

[Tekeristan]

I'm not racist nor am I sexist. I said pushing towards and not part of.

Oh, right, thanks for the clarification. That's MUCH better. Being those things isn't OK, but pushing towards them is just fine.

Kitty cat!
Totally stealing that.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Us vampires have to deal with being called monsters. Sadly my ancestors were'nt the friendliest chaps

You sparkly freaks.

Vampire Racist

[Herador]

All I can do is pull on my leather boots, and enjoy the hikes through the countryside alongside my dog while they last.

Also I know this feel. That's a good man, it's the best way to spend your time.

Fuck going outside, the sun is a death laser and people blow

[Holy Tedalonia]

It is, but they decided that's "less mean"

Huh. My brother almost died to one.

Vampire or Parasite?

[Catoll]

It's okay to be disgusted by whatever you feel like. What it isn't, is productive, and your lack of productive behavior is, as i pointed out, preventing actual solutions that harm societies most vulnerable by preventing rehabilitation of extremists. Be disgusted if you must, but be quiet too, you are not helping, and this is scientifically verifiable.

Yeah let's open channels of discourse with people who are literally calling for violent action against other human beings based on the color of their skin or their ethnicity. I'm sure we can just talk this out while they organize and mobilize. Historically, that's worked out, right?

Right?

Guys?

[Tekeristan]

Also I know this feel. That's a good man, it's the best way to spend your time.

Fuck going outside, the sun is a death laser and people blow

Nature is relaxing. Especially with a loyal dog who keeps you safe and you keep them safe. The brisk air on your ears, the air in your lungs, well.. It's the calm moments away from it all that help the most.
The vitamin D helps tho.

Come, walk with me. Just don't talk too much.

[A Carrier Pigeon]

From the original post:

"We are giving the left all the rope they want and they are racing to hang themselves. The goal is to expose the media’s anti-white bias through their reaction to a harmless flyer. It is working."

A campaign like "Black lives matter" is a positive campaign. However misguided you may think the principle is, the intention is to improve the lot of a portion of society.

This campaign is a negative campaign. It's stated goal is to make a fool of the left. So this campaign sucks.

It's easy to make a positive campaign. For example, in the UK, working class white males fall behind their peers in education. This is a genuine issue that impacts the future prospects of these children. Positive action needs to be taken to address this issue. That's something worth campaigning about, not some BS designed to make the left look stupid.

[Tekeristan]

Huh. My brother almost died to one.

Vampire or Parasite?

Latter.

[Herador]

Fuck going outside, the sun is a death laser and people blow

Nature is relaxing. Especially with a loyal dog who keeps you safe and you keep them safe. The brisk air on your ears, the air in your lungs, well.. It's the calm moments away from it all that help the most.
The vitamin D helps tho.

Come, walk with me. Just don't talk too much.

Sounds romantic, I'll bring the picnic basket if you bring the wine.