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Is it though?

It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Total votes : 811

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:50 pm

Herador wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I need to master being ironically ok with this

The irony is how I deal with the pain, makes things easier.

A little easier when you go numb with the knowledge that you, your way of life, and your entire community you've know for life is doomed to die too.
Wew choo choo!

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Major-Tom
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:51 pm


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Herador
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Founded: Mar 08, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:51 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Herador wrote:The irony is how I deal with the pain, makes things easier.

A little easier when you go numb with the knowledge that you, your way of life, and your entire community you've know for life is doomed to die too.
Wew choo choo!

My man here gets it
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:51 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:yeah I don't give a fuck about the race, but it's the same Black lives matter "ALL LIVES MATTER!!!!!!!!!" thing.


I agree that if you disapprove of the rhetorical justifications for black lives matter phrase, it's consistent to oppose this one too.
If you think it heightens racial tension to act in such a way, that's consistent.


You don't tell me what to do!

But honestly, meh. People focus way too damn much on skin colour, it's just sheer stupidity.

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Republican Corentia
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Postby Republican Corentia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Republican Corentia wrote:Where do you think it originated? That's the better question. It's ostensibly a /pol/ operation by white supremacists to rile people up while hiding behind a simple and at first glance, completely okay statement. It's optics.

https://medium.com/@rightdemystified/wi ... 2239e2de7f


What's the problem with that exactly?
Racists acting not racist to wind people up sounds like a bonus. In fact, it presented an opportunity for them to see their sense of being under attack was a lie, and instead progressives validated their views for them, while also alienating moderates.

Like a bunch of Jihadis who decide to post reasonable demands on behalf of muslims just to bait the far-right into flipping their absolute shit.
If you fell for it, you're part of the problem, and all it's done is prove their point that maybe they have some reasons to hate us, and the only way forward is accepting there's grievances on all sides, rather than an insistence on total and complete capitulation by one side or the other.

>Racists acting not racist to wind people up sounds like a bonus

No, that's not what's happening here. We have racists lying about not being racists, and using it to recruit for milquetoast white nationalism. if this is what you've gathered from why people are mad at nazis - then you've made a complete departure from any sort of reality. They know consciously that it will make the left mad not (necessarily) because they genuinely hate white people or whatever, but because they know the left will fight them on any sort of campaign they present. Rather than having extremist views all the more vindicated as you suggest, it's had the other effect of being disseminated and popular throughout the alt-lite.

Before you give me another hot take, perhaps ask yourself if I'm the one out there organizing for nazis before you start to blame me for any problem. I've avoided any sort of debate about this issue because it's such a blatantly obvious recruitment meme.

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The 502nd Ghost Division
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Postby The 502nd Ghost Division » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:54 pm

Just like MRA, the left is pushing me into this stuff. I'm called a neo-nazi because I'm white and shave my head(due to a certain condition), I'm called racist when I use FBI stats to explain why police go after certain groups, I'm told I'm supposed to enjoy being sexually assaulted because I'm a man.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:55 pm

The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:Just like MRA, the left is pushing me into this stuff. I'm called a neo-nazi because I'm white and shave my head(due to a certain condition), I'm called racist when I use FBI stats to explain why police go after certain groups, I'm told I'm supposed to enjoy being sexually assaulted because I'm a man.

"T-the left made me like this"

You're fooling no one.
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Herador
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:55 pm

The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:Just like MRA, the left is pushing me into this stuff. I'm called a neo-nazi because I'm white and shave my head(due to a certain condition), I'm called racist when I use FBI stats to explain why police go after certain groups, I'm told I'm supposed to enjoy being sexually assaulted because I'm a man.

The fact that you put someone riffing on your haircut with those other two things is fucking hilarious.
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:55 pm

Herador wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:A little easier when you go numb with the knowledge that you, your way of life, and your entire community you've know for life is doomed to die too.
Wew choo choo!

My man here gets it

I don't want to tho

Farm incomes down 50% please help

Not good developing your first panic attack so late in life
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Herador
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:57 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Herador wrote:My man here gets it

I don't want to tho

Farm incomes down 50% please help

Go to the city my friend, the land of opportunity where you and your family will live in opulence as is the dream of this country of ours.

Then once you realize the city is fucked to... shit man, I dunno, ever thought about becoming a hobo?
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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Herador
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:57 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Herador wrote:My man here gets it

I don't want to tho

Farm incomes down 50% please help

Go to the city my friend, the land of opportunity where you and your family will live in opulence as is the dream of this country of ours.

Then once you realize the city is fucked too... shit man, I dunno, ever thought about becoming a hobo?
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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The Parkus Empire
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:57 pm

The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:Just like MRA, the left is pushing me into this stuff. I'm called a neo-nazi because I'm white and shave my head(due to a certain condition), I'm called racist when I use FBI stats to explain why police go after certain groups, I'm told I'm supposed to enjoy being sexually assaulted because I'm a man.

I'm sure if you were Mexican and shaved your head, things would go a lot easier. :^)
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The Parkus Empire
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:57 pm

The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:Just like MRA, the left is pushing me into this stuff. I'm called a neo-nazi because I'm white and shave my head(due to a certain condition), I'm called racist when I use FBI stats to explain why police go after certain groups, I'm told I'm supposed to enjoy being sexually assaulted because I'm a man.

I'm sure if you were Mexican and shaved your head, things would go a lot easier. :^)
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Herador
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:58 pm

A double, double post, truly a rare sight to behold.
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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Ostroeuropa
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Founded: Jun 14, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:58 pm

Republican Corentia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
What's the problem with that exactly?
Racists acting not racist to wind people up sounds like a bonus. In fact, it presented an opportunity for them to see their sense of being under attack was a lie, and instead progressives validated their views for them, while also alienating moderates.

Like a bunch of Jihadis who decide to post reasonable demands on behalf of muslims just to bait the far-right into flipping their absolute shit.
If you fell for it, you're part of the problem, and all it's done is prove their point that maybe they have some reasons to hate us, and the only way forward is accepting there's grievances on all sides, rather than an insistence on total and complete capitulation by one side or the other.

>Racists acting not racist to wind people up sounds like a bonus

No, that's not what's happening here. We have racists lying about not being racists, and using it to recruit for milquetoast white nationalism. if this is what you've gathered from why people are mad at nazis - then you've made a complete departure from any sort of reality. They know consciously that it will make the left mad not (necessarily) because they genuinely hate white people or whatever, but because they know the left will fight them on any sort of campaign they present. Rather than having extremist views all the more vindicated as you suggest, it's had the other effect of being disseminated and popular throughout the alt-lite.

Before you give me another hot take, perhaps ask yourself if I'm the one out there organizing for nazis before you start to blame me for any problem. I've avoided any sort of debate about this issue because it's such a blatantly obvious recruitment meme.


That only reveals that the left has adopted toxic mindsets with regards to its campaigning and the way it conceptualizes both politics and its opponents.
Campaigning against people just for the sake of it based on who they are, rather than the nature of the campaign/statement, is inadvisable both in political support terms (Alienates potential support as they see you flip your shit over innocuous or positive things), and disincentivizes reformation of opponents.

There's been consistent study showing that the way to reform bigots is through inclusion and dialogue that isn't immediately hostile and aggressive.
(See the trans study, and the work of countless civil rights activists.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/scie ... finds.html )

If the left wants to continue being self-destructive and toxic as some kind of purity test, and in the process throw EVERYBODY under the bus, then that deserves to be baited and noticed by people.

I can only conclude that the anti-racist sentiment of the left you refer to in that case is entirely insincere, and based more in liking being aggressive and hostile to others, and base impulses.

(Note, I am on the left as well, merely not an anti-white racist or anti-male sexist.)

How is this "Recruitment" except in as far as the left losing their shit over innocuous statements alienates people who are then adopted by the far-right?

is it "Recruitment" to radical socialism when the democratic party refuses to adopt universal healthcare? Is that your standard?

No, it's merely polarization. You're applying a bogus standard to this issue.
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Catoll
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Postby Catoll » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:58 pm

The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:Just like MRA, the left is pushing me into this stuff.

That's a really convenient way to justify your own racism, but okay.
The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:I'm called a neo-nazi because I'm white and shave my head(due to a certain condition),

My dad is white with a shaved head and nobody calls him a neo-nazi because he doesn't spout neo-nazi slogans or promote other neo-nazi bullshit. Who exactly is doing this to you?
The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:I'm called racist when I use FBI stats to explain why police go after certain groups,

Statistical racism is still racism, unless you mean you're simply providing context to explain institutional racism, in which case again I have to ask who is doing this to you?
The 502nd Ghost Division wrote:I'm told I'm supposed to enjoy being sexually assaulted because I'm a man.

By WHOOO??? Can you actually give me solid examples of this that don't come from Tumblr or are you just playing the victim card because it's a convenient way to alleviate all guilt? Because it sounds like you have a lot of guilt in your heart. I wonder why.

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:59 pm

Herador wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:I don't want to tho

Farm incomes down 50% please help

Go to the city my friend, the land of opportunity where you and your family will live in opulence as is the dream of this country of ours.

Then once you realize the city is fucked to... shit man, I dunno, ever thought about becoming a hobo?

Oh man I can't wait to play out Grapes of Wrath and desperately compete for all your city service jobs.

I like my prairie. :(

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Rostavykhan
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Rostavykhan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:59 pm

Herador wrote:A double, double post, truly a rare sight to behold.


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Herador
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:59 pm

Catoll wrote:Because it sounds like you have a lot of guilt in your heart. I wonder why.

Because it's the condition of all men.
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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Catoll
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Postby Catoll » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:00 pm

Herador wrote:Because it's the condition of all men.

Some more than others, though!

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:01 pm

Catoll wrote:
Herador wrote:Because it's the condition of all men.

Some more than others, though!

I felt guilty after killing an assassin bug that crawled into my bed and bit me after I rolled on it.

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Toronina
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Postby Toronina » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:09 pm

So its a bunch of rich white college kids again? It's funny how they love forgetting how often whites looked down upon other whites. It's obvious their point is to promote argument. Its a dog whistle and the minute you point it out its deny deny deny. Whites aren't facing a massive discrimination campaign against them by the government, surprisingly there is no "mayo" genocide as its been called.
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:09 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Herador wrote:The irony is how I deal with the pain, makes things easier.

A little easier when you go numb with the knowledge that you, your way of life, and your entire community you've know for life is doomed to die too.
Wew choo choo!


It's ok, I know that feel tbh

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:10 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:A little easier when you go numb with the knowledge that you, your way of life, and your entire community you've know for life is doomed to die too.
Wew choo choo!


It's ok, I know that feel tbh

All I can do is pull on my leather boots, and enjoy the hikes through the countryside alongside my dog while they last.

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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:10 pm

Catoll wrote:
Herador wrote:Because it's the condition of all men.

Some more than others, though!

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