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Is it though?

It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Irona
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Postby Irona » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:00 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The campaign isn't meant to make the left take it seriously. It's meant to show white people that some of those who always clamor for diversity are themselves racist. Which frankly it has done a decent job of, the number of people you can find saying it's not okay to be white is troublesome.


Apparently it's triggering to say it's fine to be white.

If you are genuinely disturbed by a poster affirming that it's ok to be white, then you need psychological help to alleviate your triggers; the rest of the world doesn't have to walk on eggshells around you all the time. Sorry.

Nobody is saying it's not okay to be white. Their saying it implies anti-white discrimination, which is what they don't like.

Saying 'your not discriminated against' isn't the same as actually discriminating against you.

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Postby Werkerbloed » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:02 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The campaign isn't meant to make the left take it seriously. It's meant to show white people that some of those who always clamor for diversity are themselves racist. Which frankly it has done a decent job of, the number of people you can find saying it's not okay to be white is troublesome.


Apparently it's triggering to say it's fine to be white.

If you are genuinely disturbed by a poster affirming that it's ok to be white, then you need psychological help to alleviate your triggers; the rest of the world doesn't have to walk on eggshells around you all the time. Sorry.


I'm not disturbed by by it; i'm just asking, what's the point? If the slogan is aimed at a country with no major-scale white prejudice, and is the general default of that country, then why affirm that "it's ok to be white"? it'd be like hanging a poster saying "it's ok to have a vertebrae".
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Postby Friently » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:04 am

Take it from someone who was in one of the original threads where this idea came from: it has worked out beautifully.

Put up posters with "Be proud to be black" "Its okay to be gay" "It doesn't matter if you are trans" etc, you are cheered on, so progressive and praised into the heavens.

But put up a poster that says "its okay to be white" and all hell breaks lose. People speak about racism, it makes full tv coverage, its a horror attack, hate speech and whatnot... its a poster with 5 words that come down to "it. Is. Not. Bad. To. Be. Born. White" what a hate crime, how very racist to say that everyone is allowed to be proud of what they were born the race they were born, white included.

The purpose isn't to incite white nationalism, racism or any such bs, it is to expose the alt left in their ways because they are literally saying that it is not okay to be white. They just keep losing more and more support because through things like these people can see and realise that the alt left are racist bigots and that they should never be supported in their racist views.

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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:05 am

I just remember this as a /pol/ meme meant to upset SJW and "trigger" the left wing media. Let's not make it out to be more than it is.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:06 am

This is like a little kid telling their sibling "I'm not touching you."

It's intended to get a rise out of people, and it's fucking retarded. "T-there is no phase two guys" is that because everyone involved knows what phase two is and writing everything down let the 'normies' sniff out your last ten troll attempts? JC Christ it's not like the alt-reich has made much of a secret for anyone paying attention that their goal is WN cocksucking.
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Postby Tesernia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:10 am

Irona wrote:
Tesernia wrote:Yes. What's your point? It doesn't count because I listed European cases?

America's a country of immigrants, isn't it? Where do you think did the white population in America come from? Quite a lot of their ancestors would qualify as "refugees" by modern standards, for all kinds of reasons, to boot.

I don't see how historic oppression in parts of Europe, based on nationality rather than race, justifies a campaign in America about anti-white discrimination.

Maybe because the rethoric tends to stay the same, irrespective of the focus characteristic chosen? The "oppressed" side always tends to be portrayed as morally impure, mentally or physically inferior, wicked, duplicitous, vile, evil, and they're always said to be out to get you if you don't put 'em on a leash to make sure.

Now, fast forward to 2017, where people unironically claim that literally everything is the fault of white people, toxic whiteness, or whatever term is cooked up next. The scale was balanced a short while ago, now it's tipping over to the other extreme. People have seen how things end when the scale dips too far into one direction. It's been observed plenty of times, and the results are never pretty.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:10 am

Irona wrote:Nobody is saying it's not okay to be white. Their saying it implies anti-white discrimination, which is what they don't like.


Nobody? I reiterate:

36 Camera Perspective wrote:If you don't think there's a sizeable amount of people who think it's ok to be prejudiced against white people, who think it's ok to stereotype white people, who think it's ok to consistently mock and deride white people as nothing more than rich, privileged, ignorant people ready to reveal their true inner racism at any point, then I recommend you search Twitter for the term "white people" and see the horrific bigotry that results, or just ask me about many of the people I've met during my time at the UC system.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:11 am

Tesernia wrote:Now, fast forward to 2017, where people unironically claim that literally everything is the fault of white people, toxic whiteness, or whatever term is cooked up next.


[citation needed]
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:11 am

Conserative Morality wrote:This is like a little kid telling their sibling "I'm not touching you."

It's intended to get a rise out of people, and it's fucking retarded. "T-there is no phase two guys" is that because everyone involved knows what phase two is and writing everything down let the 'normies' sniff out your last ten troll attempts? JC Christ it's not like the alt-reich has made much of a secret for anyone paying attention that their goal is WN cocksucking.


The peak of modern white nationalism coinciding with widespread anti-white sentiment and media isn't shocking.
Demonstrate to a group you don't accept or appreciate them and they tend to go for secessionist ideas.

Your argument isn't much different than arguing civil rights is just a New-Afrika or Back To Africa front.
It's putting the cart before the horse. White nationalism is linked to white advocacy because when the latter is ignored, the former gains more support, same as it does for every demographic group.
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Postby Uiiop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:13 am

The problem with this is just because negative reactions exist isn't proof of one theories of why those reactions exist. If that were the case one can just use generalize negative reaction to say the capitalism narrative as proof of Randian parasitism.
People will make excuses like they did before and nothing much will happen. They'll simply point to stuff like Spencer and Charlottesville as their reasons and differentiate that and this poster with "Being okay with one's Whiteness".
The minimalism(Because in their minds someone who says this and is not a asshole would elaborate and clarify.) practically neuters it. The discourse around "Anti-white" and/or "Anti-black" regardless of the difference don't just poof in/out of different forms. A poster with a single sentience or a single slogan(Which BLM for all it's issues wasn't just) doesn't remove or clarify sides of the discourse.
3/10 poor bait.
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Postby Tesernia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:13 am

Vassenor wrote:
Tesernia wrote:Now, fast forward to 2017, where people unironically claim that literally everything is the fault of white people, toxic whiteness, or whatever term is cooked up next.


[citation needed]

We both know you wouldn't accept facts that run contrary to your worldview even if they were a truck plowing down the sidewalk you're walking on.

For you, I'm not going to bother digging through the internet in the hopes of finding a source that you don't reject out of hand.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:15 am

Tesernia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

We both know you wouldn't accept facts that run contrary to your worldview even if they were a truck plowing down the sidewalk you're walking on.

For you, I'm not going to bother digging through the internet in the hopes of finding a source that you don't reject out of hand.

Not often you'll find someone concedes the point on the first post.
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Postby Tesernia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:16 am

Herador wrote:
Tesernia wrote:We both know you wouldn't accept facts that run contrary to your worldview even if they were a truck plowing down the sidewalk you're walking on.

For you, I'm not going to bother digging through the internet in the hopes of finding a source that you don't reject out of hand.

Not often you'll find someone concedes the point on the first post.

If you wish to consider it a concession that I don't believe Vassenor to be worth my time to spend arguing against, feel free to do so.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:17 am

Tesernia wrote:
Herador wrote:Not often you'll find someone concedes the point on the first post.

If you wish to consider it a concession that I don't believe Vassenor to be worth my time to spend arguing against, feel free to do so.

Sounded more like you weren't sure the information existed, but whatever helps you sleep at night my dude.
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Postby Uiiop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:19 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Irona wrote:Nobody is saying it's not okay to be white. Their saying it implies anti-white discrimination, which is what they don't like.


Nobody? I reiterate:

36 Camera Perspective wrote:If you don't think there's a sizeable amount of people who think it's ok to be prejudiced against white people, who think it's ok to stereotype white people, who think it's ok to consistently mock and deride white people as nothing more than rich, privileged, ignorant people ready to reveal their true inner racism at any point, then I recommend you search Twitter for the term "white people" and see the horrific bigotry that results, or just ask me about many of the people I've met during my time at the UC system.

A twitter search and anecdotal by themselves aren't what one calls reliable for generalizations/
Specially since narrowing to "Activists" can bring one to exclude the majority of the former depending on how one defines it.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:20 am

Vassenor wrote:[citation needed]


Pretty fucking rich coming from you:
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:20 am

Tesernia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

We both know you wouldn't accept facts that run contrary to your worldview even if they were a truck plowing down the sidewalk you're walking on.

For you, I'm not going to bother digging through the internet in the hopes of finding a source that you don't reject out of hand.


Well, you know what they say about things that are asserted without evidence...
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Postby Uiiop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:21 am

Herador wrote:
Tesernia wrote:If you wish to consider it a concession that I don't believe Vassenor to be worth my time to spend arguing against, feel free to do so.

Sounded more like you weren't sure the information existed, but whatever helps you sleep at night my dude.

More like a understandable misreading on Vassnor's post caused by anti-SJ bias. :p
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:21 am

I don't support any of this. I think the solution is for Whites to simply ignore any hostility as is possible and to become more insular and discrete. The majority White portions of the US should have their own de facto customs and rules and be separate and distinct from where the other races live.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:22 am

As for Twitter, it's current year. It's 2017. The President shitposts on Twitter all the time. Most people react on Twitter. Searching Twitter is not a perfect method, but it's an acceptable heuristic. I can show you horribly bigoted statements about white people ranging from dozens of retweets to tens of thousands.

As for UC, the particular anecdotes I have reflect broader institutional problems, at least as far as my particular institution is concerned. I'll play those cards in a larger, more meaningful post that I've been meaning to write up for some time now.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:23 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:As for Twitter, it's current year. It's 2017. The President shitposts on Twitter all the time. Most people react on Twitter. Searching Twitter is not a perfect method, but it's an acceptable heuristic. I can show you horribly bigoted statements about white people ranging from dozens of retweets to tens of thousands.

As for UC, the particular anecdotes I have reflect broader institutional problems, at least as far as my particular institution is concerned. I'll play those cards in a larger, more meaningful post that I've been meaning to write up for some time now.

Go for it. And I expect some real Klan shit.
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Postby Friently » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:24 am

Uiiop wrote:. A poster with a single sentience or a single slogan(Which BLM for all it's issues wasn't just) doesn't remove or clarify sides of the slogan.
3/10 poor bait.

It doesn't matter who puts up the poster, the message in its entirity is that it is not bad to be white, doesn't matter who puts it up.

If say an Asian Supremacist that wants to kill all whites, puts up a sign "its ok to be Asian", then there is nothing wrong with the sign, the message is still just that it is okay to be Asian, it doesn't have a fouble meaning or intention, all it says is that it is okay to be Asian which it is.

So it doesn't matter whether the KKK, Antifa, BLM, Nazis, centrists, lefts, rights, martians or whatever put up the poster, its about the one focus of the poster and that one focud says its okay to be white which it is.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:25 am

Friently wrote:It doesn't matter who puts up the poster, the message in its entirity is that it is not bad to be white, doesn't matter who puts it up.

Yes, that is all it's saying, there were no ulterior motives whatsoever.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:28 am

Herador wrote:Yes, that is all it's saying, there were no ulterior motives whatsoever.


Actually, yes; it's literally meant to just say whats written on the posters. The entire purpose of this project was to provoke the insane overreaction we're seeing now by showing how innocuous a phrase is no longer an acceptable statement in America (and other countries to a lesser extent, such as Canada).
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:30 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Herador wrote:Yes, that is all it's saying, there were no ulterior motives whatsoever.


Actually, yes; it's literally meant to just say whats written on the posters. The entire purpose of this project was to provoke the insane overreaction we're seeing now by showing how innocuous a phrase is no longer an acceptable statement in America (and other countries to a lesser extent, such as Canada).

>There are no ulterior motives
>Let me tell you about all these ulterior motives

Doesn't help the whole thing is one big dog-whistle, but then again I suspect you support that.
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