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It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:26 am

Thama wrote:
Hirota wrote:Problem is, your entire argument is predicated on a Genetic Fallacy. And being a obnoxious twit, of course.


I can link wikipedia articles too. For instance, your insult and your own fallacy.
I linked to wikipedia, because for all it's many faults it can occasionally satisfy brevity. Nonetheless, since I clearly didn't deliver the point, I'll elaborate.

The genetic fallacy is when you fail to address the claim on it's merit on it's own, transferring your perspective (a perspective that by no means has been proven to be true) of the author onto the claim itself. Don't take it personally, lots of people do it.

And as for getting your panties in a twist about you being called an obnoxious twit, it's considerably more mild than calling everyone you disagree with idiots, but I don't expect you to possess sufficient self-awareness to parse that.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:46 am

Shofercia wrote:
Zakuvia wrote:
Hey, that's just unfair! He got Hillary arrested for...uhm, no. Woah, but he did pass the repeal of Obamaca...wait, no. He banned all those Muslims like he promised he...ah, nuts. Nn...Neil Gorsuch? TPP?


Neil Gorsuch is a Supreme Court Justice, and Trump scrapped TPP. So not a total failure. Those were two of his successes. Granted, you might not view Gorsuch as a success, but a good chunk of his voter base does.

I am certainly no Trump fan, yet those are indeed two big things, and I feel very positive about them. As for the rest, I am thankful he was lying (which I think anyone could gave guessed).
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:00 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Neil Gorsuch is a Supreme Court Justice, and Trump scrapped TPP. So not a total failure. Those were two of his successes. Granted, you might not view Gorsuch as a success, but a good chunk of his voter base does.

I am certainly no Trump fan, yet those are indeed two big things, and I feel very positive about them. As for the rest, I am thankful he was lying (which I think anyone could gave guessed).


He wasn't lying about repealing Obamacare or banning Muslims. He tried to do those things. It's just that other people (in Congress and the courts) stopped him.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:05 am

USS Monitor wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I am certainly no Trump fan, yet those are indeed two big things, and I feel very positive about them. As for the rest, I am thankful he was lying (which I think anyone could gave guessed).


He wasn't lying about repealing Obamacare or banning Muslims. He tried to do those things. It's just that other people (in Congress and the courts) stopped him.

I meant more jailing Clinton, but yes, you are right, he did try those things (although I thought he was lying). Thankfully he was stopped.
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:10 am

Hirota wrote:
Thama wrote:
I can link wikipedia articles too. For instance, your insult and your own fallacy.
I linked to wikipedia, because for all it's many faults it can occasionally satisfy brevity. Nonetheless, since I clearly didn't deliver the point, I'll elaborate.

The genetic fallacy is when you fail to address the claim on it's merit on it's own, transferring your perspective (a perspective that by no means has been proven to be true) of the author onto the claim itself. Don't take it personally, lots of people do it.

And as for getting your panties in a twist about you being called an obnoxious twit, it's considerably more mild than calling everyone you disagree with idiots, but I don't expect you to possess sufficient self-awareness to parse that.


You really fail to have a conversation without belittling others, can you? Its almost like that is your whole conversational tactic.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:22 am

Mattopilos II wrote:
Hirota wrote:I linked to wikipedia, because for all it's many faults it can occasionally satisfy brevity. Nonetheless, since I clearly didn't deliver the point, I'll elaborate.

The genetic fallacy is when you fail to address the claim on it's merit on it's own, transferring your perspective (a perspective that by no means has been proven to be true) of the author onto the claim itself. Don't take it personally, lots of people do it.

And as for getting your panties in a twist about you being called an obnoxious twit, it's considerably more mild than calling everyone you disagree with idiots, but I don't expect you to possess sufficient self-awareness to parse that.


You really fail to have a conversation without belittling others, can you? Its almost like that is your whole conversational tactic.


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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:28 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
You really fail to have a conversation without belittling others, can you? Its almost like that is your whole conversational tactic.


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Yeah yeah, I'll play nice.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:52 am

Spoilered out because silly post has already been pointed out as silly without my reply.
Mattopilos II wrote:
Hirota wrote:I linked to wikipedia, because for all it's many faults it can occasionally satisfy brevity. Nonetheless, since I clearly didn't deliver the point, I'll elaborate.

The genetic fallacy is when you fail to address the claim on it's merit on it's own, transferring your perspective (a perspective that by no means has been proven to be true) of the author onto the claim itself. Don't take it personally, lots of people do it.

And as for getting your panties in a twist about you being called an obnoxious twit, it's considerably more mild than calling everyone you disagree with idiots, but I don't expect you to possess sufficient self-awareness to parse that.


You really fail to have a conversation without belittling others, can you? Its almost like that is your whole conversational tactic.
If that was true then this, this, and this simply would not exist. Thats three posts in this thread alone where there is no snark whatsoever. So yeah, your claim that this is "your whole conversational tactic" is simply not true and doesn't stand basic scrutiny

And even when there is snark (or what you call belittling others), they do include more than just being solely shitty and obviously untrue observational posts, something which you are guilty of in this very post. Maybe take a look at being more self-aware and looking at your own posting style before you try talking incoherent drivel about mine? Thanks!
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:58 am

Hirota wrote:Spoilered out because silly post has already been pointed out as silly without my reply.
Mattopilos II wrote:
You really fail to have a conversation without belittling others, can you? Its almost like that is your whole conversational tactic.
If that was true then this, this, and this simply would not exist. Thats three posts in this thread alone where there is no snark whatsoever. So yeah, your claim that this is "your whole conversational tactic" is simply not true and doesn't stand basic scrutiny

And even when there is snark (or what you call belittling others), they do include more than just being solely shitty and obviously untrue observational posts, something which you are guilty of in this very post. Maybe take a look at being more self-aware and looking at your own posting style before you try talking incoherent drivel about mine? Thanks!


I am quite self-aware, thank-you. And my posting style makes it obvious it is a joke and obvious when it is a serious discussion. Yours tend to tread the line. If not, they end up like the post I commented on, or the one where you, you know, got warned for? So my "incoherent drivel" has a grain of truth in it, if that counts or not.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:47 am

Mattopilos II wrote:
Hirota wrote:Spoilered out because silly post has already been pointed out as silly without my reply.
If that was true then this, this, and this simply would not exist. Thats three posts in this thread alone where there is no snark whatsoever. So yeah, your claim that this is "your whole conversational tactic" is simply not true and doesn't stand basic scrutiny

And even when there is snark (or what you call belittling others), they do include more than just being solely shitty and obviously untrue observational posts, something which you are guilty of in this very post. Maybe take a look at being more self-aware and looking at your own posting style before you try talking incoherent drivel about mine? Thanks!


I am quite self-aware, thank-you. And my posting style makes it obvious it is a joke and obvious when it is a serious discussion. Yours tend to tread the line. If not, they end up like the post I commented on, or the one where you, you know, got warned for? So my "incoherent drivel" has a grain of truth in it, if that counts or not.
I'll take my warning without your sanctimony thanks. If you don't like my posting style you know where you can stick your opinions. Or you can post it in moderation where they can actually do something.

Threadjack over.
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Postby Republican Corentia » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:43 am

Hirota wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
I am quite self-aware, thank-you. And my posting style makes it obvious it is a joke and obvious when it is a serious discussion. Yours tend to tread the line. If not, they end up like the post I commented on, or the one where you, you know, got warned for? So my "incoherent drivel" has a grain of truth in it, if that counts or not.
I'll take my warning without your sanctimony thanks. If you don't like my posting style you know where you can stick your opinions. Or you can post it in moderation where they can actually do something.

Threadjack over.

D-DUH GENETIC FALLACY! IDIOT CUCK!

- you, an absolute intellectual

committing the "fallacy fallacy"

Checkmate.
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Postby Ransium » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:49 am

Republican Corentia wrote:D-DUH GENETIC FALLACY! IDIOT CUCK!

- you, an absolute intellectual

committing the "fallacy fallacy"

Checkmate.


The entire tone of this thread has gotten quite flamebaiting despite Monitors warnings. Knock it off all.

Even so this post sticks out as exceptionally flamebaiting
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:01 am

Vassenor wrote:[align=][/align]
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A bunch of idiots that don't even number in the tens of thousands like your fake news tries to make out.


Oh yes, anything that disagrees with the conservative narrative is fake news. I forgot. :roll:


Because it is...the media has always tried to shift the blame on trump supporters for things that groups like Antifa and the BLM are doing or how it’s somehow Donald Trump’s fault for the riots that are happening as a result of him being elected. So how is it not fake news? You actually believe this bullshit? These “nazis” as you people like to call them are a very small minority. Have you ever met an actual white supremacist? Probably fucking not.

And these beta male fucks who go around and sucker punching trump supporters haven’t met actual white supremacists either. And for their sake they shouldn’t.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:05 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:[align=][/align]

Oh yes, anything that disagrees with the conservative narrative is fake news. I forgot. :roll:


Because it is...the media has always tried to shift the blame on trump supporters for things that groups like Antifa and the BLM are doing or how it’s somehow Donald Trump’s fault for the riots that are happening as a result of him being elected. So how is it not fake news? You actually believe this bullshit? These “nazis” as you people like to call them are a very small minority. Have you ever met an actual white supremacist? Probably fucking not.

And these beta male fucks who go around and sucker punching trump supporters haven’t met actual white supremacists either. And for their sake they shouldn’t.


Let's see your examples then.
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Postby Asherahan » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:09 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:[align=][/align]

Oh yes, anything that disagrees with the conservative narrative is fake news. I forgot. :roll:


Because it is...the media has always tried to shift the blame on trump supporters for things that groups like Antifa and the BLM are doing or how it’s somehow Donald Trump’s fault for the riots that are happening as a result of him being elected. So how is it not fake news? You actually believe this bullshit? These “nazis” as you people like to call them are a very small minority. Have you ever met an actual white supremacist? Probably fucking not.

And these beta male fucks who go around and sucker punching trump supporters haven’t met actual white supremacists either. And for their sake they shouldn’t.

I would calm down if I were you this is a civilized forum.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:47 am

Asherahan wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Because it is...the media has always tried to shift the blame on trump supporters for things that groups like Antifa and the BLM are doing or how it’s somehow Donald Trump’s fault for the riots that are happening as a result of him being elected. So how is it not fake news? You actually believe this bullshit? These “nazis” as you people like to call them are a very small minority. Have you ever met an actual white supremacist? Probably fucking not.

And these beta male fucks who go around and sucker punching trump supporters haven’t met actual white supremacists either. And for their sake they shouldn’t.

I would calm down if I were you this is a civilized forum.


How about you fucking explain what rules I’m breaking
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Asherahan » Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:55 am

Common civility.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:04 am

Asherahan wrote:Common civility.


Not against the rules. Also, I’m not a nice person.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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