It's Okay To Be White campaign

[Petrasylvania]

It's literally a-okay to be any race and any skin color. (Well, any skin color that falls within the spectrum of natural human skin colors. If you're, like, red or blue or green or something like that, you should probably call for help).

The campaign, though, is pretty much a stupid, shitty attempt at bait.

Can't be that shitty given all the Twitter rage it caused.

Unless those Tweets were faked in a sad attempt to pull an Ashley Madison.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Can't be that shitty given all the Twitter rage it caused.

Unless those Tweets were faked in a sad attempt to pull an Ashley Madison.

I saw more than a few from verified accounts decrying it. Will try to find if my phone cooperates.

[Herador]

Unless those Tweets were faked in a sad attempt to pull an Ashley Madison.

I saw more than a few from verified accounts decrying it. Will try to find if my phone cooperates.

Given that twitter just verified a White Nationalist leader not too long ago, I'd wager those blue checkmarks mean fuck all.

[Shofercia]

I'd love to see what benefits an uneducated, white female enjoys, one who does not own property. Can you please explain to me how said benefits are supremacist? Heck, let's make it even more interesting, let's make her mentally ill, a veteran of the Iraq War, and indebted. Now, please explain to me how she's better off than your average Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait.

As a firstborn, white, male, landowner, I can tell you that the plurality of my benefits come from being very educated. Landownership + Education would lead to a majority. Guess what? None of those things have anything to do with ethnicity. But thing is, both the Dems and Reps fucked up Cali's K-12 system, and are now blaming it on racism. If only there was a sane policy, like improving the K-12 system... yeah, that just might work. Oh well, onto racism, Affirmative Action, and endless rants about Schrodinger's Immigrants.

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I wonder - would you have gotten that joke without the poster, if you were unable to combine Schrodinger's Cat with the Hegelian Spiral? But apparently, it's not education that benefits people, it's being white.

I'm a white transgender woman who comes from a lower middle class/poor family. I'm kinda well aware white people can face oppression, but that doesn't somehow do away with racist oppression. While I have to suffer stereotypes and discrimination on my gender identity, if I were Asian I'd have to deal with the rampant orientalization of Asian women on top of the hypersexualization transwomen deal with by men. If I were black, I'd have to deal simultaneously with the stereotypes of black men being gangster thugs and black women being "hoodrats". Compared toa straight cis black woman, there are some forms of oppression that I face that she doesn't, and there are some forms of oppression she faces that I don't.

And also, yeah, education helps your position in society. That's kinda why nonwhite activists point out the garbage condition of schools in nonwhite neighborhoods.

Ethnicity divides, and class unites. Yes, poor non-white schools have shitty conditions; I'm just wondering, have you seen the conditions of poor white schools? In seventh grade they're learning basic math problems, that kids in the EU have mastered by first grade. Class unites - we're all in the same boat; ethnicity divides. You speak of hoodlum rats, but there's also white trash, and as long as you can call the poor rats, or trash, and have them fighting each other because of race, you can continue to exploit them. Do you worry about actual rats or actual trash?

Why do the Democrats, who accept money from the Healthcare Lobby, suddenly go to guns every time there's a shooting, and Republicans, who accept money from the Healthcare Lobby, suddenly go to Muslims? Why do you think that happens? The reason that happens is to keep the debate about Mental Healthcare out of the public sphere, because it's a no brainer: we should have quality Mental Healthcare to stop people from shooting each other. On the other hand, Muslims and guns can be debated ad nauseum.

Do you hang out with the elite crowd? Some of them think that people want to be exploited, and, no offense, but you're proving them right. I think it's because you view the Old System as an oppressor of Transgederism, and since whites benefited under said system, you view your own whiteness negatively. However, the joke's on you, because the very same people are still on top, using your own reaction against the Old System to exploit you.

For instance take Affirmative Action - it's a bandage at best. People like me only hire based on merit. If you're struggling through college because you got there due to Affirmative Action, all you'll end up with is a giant loan, and for politicians, there's no need to improve the schools for "trash" and "rats".

The exact opposite of this would be the California Beach Towns - where the education is stellar - do you want to know what happens to developers, banks, oil companies, when they try to speculate there? They're told to fuck off, nicely. And if they don't get the message, they go to Court, lose, and beg for a settlement. The people prosper, and racism is practically non-existent. My point is that by making it about race, you're driving society further and further apart. Is racist oppression the absolute worst? Of course not.

When Healthcare Lobbyists can walk over anyone who cannot afford a quality attorney, when the Government can bomb others on a whim with the taxpayers stuck with the bill as War Profiteers make billions in profit from the people's suffering, when life saving drugs that can be produced for a buck cost an arm and a leg, when the corporations are favored against the people, when the cost of education leads to economic serfdom - is it really racial oppression that we should be focusing on, thus pulling the country further and further apart?

[Thama]

Who'd have thought a whole 69% of the people polled were idiots?

It's okay to be white. It's okay to be any race. This campaign, however, was started by white nationalists with the explicit purpose of convincing people to believe there is some sort of widespread anti-white rhetoric present in America.

Problem is, your entire argument is predicated on a Genetic Fallacy. And being a obnoxious twit, of course.

I can link wikipedia articles too. For instance, your insult and your own fallacy.

[Shofercia]

I'd love to see what benefits an uneducated, white female enjoys, one who does not own property. Can you please explain to me how said benefits are supremacist? Heck, let's make it even more interesting, let's make her mentally ill, a veteran of the Iraq War, and indebted. Now, please explain to me how she's better off than your average Asian. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I don't agree with the insane racist garbage pushed about white people but I think it's pretty obvious the idea is that a Caucasian uneducated, mentally ill, indebted female war vet who owns no property is better off than an Asian uneducated, mentally ill, indebted female war vet who owns no property, not that a poor white is better off than a rich asian.

There is a crucial ceteris paribus clause to the concept of privilege that is often forgotten (or ignored).

Just quoting the quote tree - so that I can respond to both of you at the same time, since you're saying the same thing. So let's proceed. You made the exact posts that I was hoping you'd make, but then again, NSG can be hilariously predictable. I knew that someone would say "whites are better off than other minorities, all else being equal" - because that is the dogma that the mass media drills into one's head.

That's why I threw in a bunch of stuff, like uneducated, mentally ill, renter, indebted, etc. I also utilized the Asian minority, and threw in war veteran. Because of the media's dogma, you walked right into that one. But of course, what would this post be without a source: https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/tr ... y-vets.asp

Rates of current PTSD in the 1990 study were 28% among Hispanics, 21% among African Americans, and 14% among Whites... The rates of current PTSD were lower among Native Hawaiian Vietnam Veterans (12%) and Japanese Americans (2%) than the 14% current prevalence seen for Whites...

You probably don't know the whole story behind the Nisei Regiment - but what you need to know is that Asians, such as the Japanese, have a much better support network on the home front than others. War is viewed ceremonially - you went over there, to another World, you saw what no one should see, and you came back a hero, even if you're just a piss poor grunt. On the other hand, for the Latinos - war is viewed as business as usual, and that scares the shit out of the male psyche, because we cannot stomach endless war - hence the 28% PTSD rate. The Nisei were fighting for family, for heritage, for country, for God, for love. It was a noble cause, a temporary noble cause. Therein lies the difference between the Japanese and the Latinos.

The reason that you were both wrong is very simple: just because someone is white, doesn't mean that they always have the advantage, even if everything else is equal - just look at how many Asians are better at getting into universities than the white people.

Hiberno - do you see how easily Crockerland and 36 Camera Perspective walked into the previous post's trap? I threw out a bunch of random distractions, and two key distinctions that mattered. That's exactly what those in the DNC who want to get back at the Old System for oppressing Transgenderism are doing to you - they're using you as a pawn. Promote racism, and the Old System stays in place. Why do you think we have the so called "Death Tax" discussion - the issue isn't even that property over $5 million should be taxed on transfer - their issue is that it shouldn't even be discussed. It's called preserving the Landed Aristocracy through Racism, and its one of the oldest tricks in the book.

So when you trio get someone like me saying "hey, let's support education for all" - do it. We've had debates at that level, we won debates at that level, we know the best way to get it done. Or we can have bandages, like Affirmative Action, and the Landed Aristocracy. Your call.

[36 Camera Perspective]

Who'd have thought a whole 69% of the people polled were idiots?

It's okay to be white. It's okay to be any race. This campaign, however, was started by white nationalists with the explicit purpose of convincing people to believe there is some sort of widespread anti-white rhetoric present in America.

Problem is, your entire argument is predicated on a Genetic Fallacy. And being a obnoxious twit, of course.

That's not the genetic fallacy. For one, he's not appealing to some irrelevant historical context for the phrase over its present meaning, and secondly, he's not pointing out the poster's origins in order to negate the statement "It's ok to be white", but simply pointing out that there is more to the poster than what is stated explicitly. It is perfectly logical to tease out the implicit rhetorical threads of a poster in order to reveal what the real argument is, and then reject that.

[Shofercia]

As I've said before, it's not the common definition of oppression, but the main problem is the drastic decrease in the Standard of Living. It doesn't matter who your neighbors are, or what color their skin is. If one's Standards of Living fall, someone is going to be blamed. The Standard of Living in Rural America was falling, so the "business as usual" candidate wasn't going to do well in those areas, and I think one of the reasons that the campaign "it's ok to be white" is getting a reception, is because standards of living for white people haven't improved. In some cases, (and in most cases of Trump Voters,) they're falling. When James Carville says "It's the Economy Stupid" and Clinton wins, everyone goes "ya, ya, it's the economy!" When the same exact argument is used to explain Clinton's defeat, suddenly it's a different tune, now it's racism...

After reading this explanation I now understand the argument or train of thought behind your posts. I haven't read the preceding comment chains but reading them you mention that healthcare and the economy is bad. I suppose If I thought about it more I could have assumed you were arguing that they were "oppressed" because of their economic situation.

Now that you have explicitly outlined your argument, it makes sense.

I should've made it clearer from the beginning, namely that my argument was primarily about economics. When I was studying the Red Army, through the journals and letters of soldiers, I came across a very common trend, where this line was prevalent: "yes, there is racism here, but I don't feel any racism in our unit". The reason is that the Red Army was too fucking busy for racism to play a major role. That's not to say that it didn't exist; any large formation, especially one over a million people, is going to do fucked up stuff. But the reason that it wasn't there in most cases, is because the soldiers were too fucking busy kicking Nazi ass.

Similarly, when a person has a full time job, a loving family, great friends, and heck, let's throw in some pets - they're too busy to be racist. The thought hardly ever enters their mind. They're thinking about what school their kids would go to, where they'd take their wife/husband/significant other for dinner, that new job project, etc. On the other hand, if the Standard of Living is falling, there's no money for dinner or college, the job is lots of hours and low pay, frustration builds up, and someone gets blamed. Those minds are open to racism.

[Shofercia]

Wasn't this a joke made by trolls to get a response from the media and universities, a carefully worded phrase that will expose them for their irony and they actually fell for it.
If this is a legitimate campaign, it'll only stoke the already tense politcal climate.

To be fair, it's not that hard to get a response from the media. Even a fake wrestling GIF will get CNN's response

Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?

There has NEVER been any Anti-White or White suppression in human history.

Some people confuse white suppression with equal ethnic rights.

Let me guess - you're one of those who either thinks that Jews weren't white, or that the Holocaust was faked by aliens during the Moon Landing, right?

I give this a 7/10, not bad but it could use improvement.

I would've loved you as a professor in college. An easy grader with a passion for guns

[Proctopeo]

I saw more than a few from verified accounts decrying it. Will try to find if my phone cooperates.

Given that twitter just verified a White Nationalist leader not too long ago, I'd wager those blue checkmarks mean fuck all.

Isn't all that the Verified check means is that you're who you claim you are - John Smith the famous movie actor, not John Smith the mechanic in Boston.

[Zakuvia]

It's okay to be white, but going around telling people about it makes you an arse.

[Herador]

Given that twitter just verified a White Nationalist leader not too long ago, I'd wager those blue checkmarks mean fuck all.

Isn't all that the Verified check means is that you're who you claim you are - John Smith the famous movie actor, not John Smith the mechanic in Boston.

Yes, it means nothing.

[Zanera]

Given that twitter just verified a White Nationalist leader not too long ago, I'd wager those blue checkmarks mean fuck all.

Isn't all that the Verified check means is that you're who you claim you are - John Smith the famous movie actor, not John Smith the mechanic in Boston.

What does Twitter have against mechanics in Boston? Do they think they're unimportant? Maybe they think mechanics in Boston aren't people?

[Farnhamia]

Who'd have thought a whole 69% of the people polled were idiots?

It's okay to be white. It's okay to be any race. This campaign, however, was started by white nationalists with the explicit purpose of convincing people to believe there is some sort of widespread anti-white rhetoric present in America.

And I find it more remarkable that someone who's been around since 2012 is unaware of the rules against calling people names.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

[Farnhamia]

Who'd have thought a whole 69% of the people polled were idiots?

It's okay to be white. It's okay to be any race. This campaign, however, was started by white nationalists with the explicit purpose of convincing people to believe there is some sort of widespread anti-white rhetoric present in America.

Problem is, your entire argument is predicated on a Genetic Fallacy. And being a obnoxious twit, of course.

*** Warned for flaming. ***

[Proctopeo]

Isn't all that the Verified check means is that you're who you claim you are - John Smith the famous movie actor, not John Smith the mechanic in Boston.

Yes, it means nothing.

Not quite "nothing" - it means the person isn't just a Twitter account created to pretend to fall for something or other.

Isn't all that the Verified check means is that you're who you claim you are - John Smith the famous movie actor, not John Smith the mechanic in Boston.

What does Twitter have against mechanics in Boston? Do they think they're unimportant? Maybe they think mechanics in Boston aren't people?

If the mechanic in Boston becomes of enough significance outside of his local area, he can get the Verified check too.

[Cannot think of a name]

Make that case. Site concrete examples.

Of people being angry?

Of this campaign’s supposed success. Document it. Let me see what you think “success” is.

[Zanera]

Yes, it means nothing.

Not quite "nothing" - it means the person isn't just a Twitter account created to pretend to fall for something or other.

What does Twitter have against mechanics in Boston? Do they think they're unimportant? Maybe they think mechanics in Boston aren't people?

If the mechanic in Boston becomes of enough significance outside of his local area, he can get the Verified check too.

This is an unfair system! I demand a recount!

[Proctopeo]

Not quite "nothing" - it means the person isn't just a Twitter account created to pretend to fall for something or other.


If the mechanic in Boston becomes of enough significance outside of his local area, he can get the Verified check too.

This is an unfair system! I demand a recount!

Do you want to lose your anonymity?

[36 Camera Perspective]

Just quoting the quote tree - so that I can respond to both of you at the same time, since you're saying the same thing. So let's proceed. You made the exact posts that I was hoping you'd make, but then again, NSG can be hilariously predictable. I knew that someone would say "whites are better off than other minorities, all else being equal" - because that is the dogma that the mass media drills into one's head.

It has nothing to do with the mass media. I had to embark on a long path of intellectual self-discovery to realize what privilege actually means. I didn't just lap it up from the media. This is a really trite, psychologistic angle to take, Shofercia. Everybody except for me is just BRAINWASHED by the MASS MEDIA. I'm fucking yawning.

That's why I threw in a bunch of stuff, like uneducated, mentally ill, renter, indebted, etc.

Then you're not talking about a situation where ceteris paribus holds anymore. Simple as that. I'm not sure you understand what "all other things being equal" means, because throwing in those variables is exactly how to make sure all other things aren't equal.

As for PTSD, I have no idea what your point is. I don't claim that white privilege applies to every single thing under the sun.

That's exactly what those in the DNC who want to get back at the Old System for oppressing Transgenderism are doing to you - they're using you as a pawn. Promote racism, and the Old System stays in place. Why do you think we have the so called "Death Tax" discussion - the issue isn't even that property over $5 million should be taxed on transfer - their issue is that it shouldn't even be discussed. It's called preserving the Landed Aristocracy through Racism, and its one of the oldest tricks in the book.

So when you trio get someone like me saying "hey, let's support education for all" - do it. We've had debates at that level, we won debates at that level, we know the best way to get it done. Or we can have bandages, like Affirmative Action, and the Landed Aristocracy. Your call.

What the fuck are you rambling about?

[Zakuvia]

Of people being angry?

Of this campaign’s supposed success. Document it. Let me see what you think “success” is.

Hey, that's just unfair! He got Hillary arrested for...uhm, no. Woah, but he did pass the repeal of Obamaca...wait, no. He banned all those Muslims like he promised he...ah, nuts. Nn...Neil Gorsuch? TPP?

[Zanera]

This is an unfair system! I demand a recount!

Do you want to lose your anonymity?

wut?

[Zanera]

Of this campaign’s supposed success. Document it. Let me see what you think “success” is.

Hey, that's just unfair! He got Hillary arrested for...uhm, no. Woah, but he did pass the repeal of Obamaca...wait, no. He banned all those Muslims like he promised he...ah, nuts. Nn...Neil Gorsuch? TPP?

I think they meant the "It's Okay To Be White" campaign, not Trump's.

[Shofercia]

Just quoting the quote tree - so that I can respond to both of you at the same time, since you're saying the same thing. So let's proceed. You made the exact posts that I was hoping you'd make, but then again, NSG can be hilariously predictable. I knew that someone would say "whites are better off than other minorities, all else being equal" - because that is the dogma that the mass media drills into one's head.

It has nothing to do with the mass media. I had to embark on a long path of intellectual self-discovery to realize what privilege actually means. I didn't just lap it up from the media. This is a really trite, psychologistic angle to take, Shofercia. Everybody except for me is just BRAINWASHED by the MASS MEDIA. I'm fucking yawning.

Never said that. I did say that if the media repeats a certain message often enough, some people think that said message is true. You did support the argument that that white war veterans are better off than Japanese war veterans, all else being equal, did you not? How'd that 14% PTSD for whites versus 2% PTSD for Japanese statistics work out for that argument?

That's why I threw in a bunch of stuff, like uneducated, mentally ill, renter, indebted, etc.

Then you're not talking about a situation where ceteris paribus holds anymore. Simple as that. I'm not sure you understand what "all other things being equal" means, because throwing in those variables is exactly how to make sure all other things aren't equal.

As for PTSD, I have no idea what your point is. I don't claim that white privilege applies to every single thing under the sun.

Ceteris paribus literally means with other conditions remaining the same. That's the actual definition. The accepted definition. The one that's used most common. The argument was that whites are better off than minorities in the US, if all other things are equal. When compared to Japanese war veterans, white war veterans aren't better off, ceteris paribus. When it comes to college bound students, whites aren't better off compared to Asians, ceteris paribus. If White Privilege actually existed in the capacity that you imagine it exists in, there would be a lot less racism among whites. By the way, I'm not excusing racism; I'm merely pointed out the economics of racism, which shows issues that should be addressed in order to prevent racism's rise.

That's exactly what those in the DNC who want to get back at the Old System for oppressing Transgenderism are doing to you - they're using you as a pawn. Promote racism, and the Old System stays in place. Why do you think we have the so called "Death Tax" discussion - the issue isn't even that property over $5 million should be taxed on transfer - their issue is that it shouldn't even be discussed. It's called preserving the Landed Aristocracy through Racism, and its one of the oldest tricks in the book.

So when you trio get someone like me saying "hey, let's support education for all" - do it. We've had debates at that level, we won debates at that level, we know the best way to get it done. Or we can have bandages, like Affirmative Action, and the Landed Aristocracy. Your call.

What the fuck are you rambling about?

There are several ways to eliminate poverty among minorities. One way is to target minority students only, and meet a ton of resistance. Another way is to fight to eliminate all poverty, for minorities and whites; yes, it's more labor intensive, but it'll also meet less resistance. I'm a fan of the latter. To use the AP example: https://www.insidehighered.com/admissio ... ions-elite

Also relevant may be scores on Advanced Placement tests. In 2015, the College Board reported that 72 percent of Asian test takers in the previous academic year earned at least one score of three on the AP exam (the level generally seen as indicating success), compared to 66 percent of white students, 50 percent of Latino students, 46 percent of Native American students and 32 percent of black students.

I think that 72% is a higher number than 66%, ceteris paribus. I hope you agree.

[Shofercia]

Of this campaign’s supposed success. Document it. Let me see what you think “success” is.

Hey, that's just unfair! He got Hillary arrested for...uhm, no. Woah, but he did pass the repeal of Obamaca...wait, no. He banned all those Muslims like he promised he...ah, nuts. Nn...Neil Gorsuch? TPP?

Neil Gorsuch is a Supreme Court Justice, and Trump scrapped TPP. So not a total failure. Those were two of his successes. Granted, you might not view Gorsuch as a success, but a good chunk of his voter base does.