It's Okay To Be White campaign

[The Hiberno-Scottish Republic]

it is certainly not okay to be white, seen since the concept of whiteness extends from racial constructs established in the 19th century to further white supremacy.

So I'm not really white? Cool.

I sure look white though.

Denying the validity of racial constructs isn't dismissing it's influence in society.

Rejecting the existence of a "white race" doesn't means that I don't think this fictional race enjoys privilege in a society that thoroughly buys its existence.

[Yagon]

it is certainly not okay to be white, seen since the concept of whiteness extends from racial constructs established in the 19th century to further white supremacy.

So I'm not really white? Cool.

I sure look white though.

Play that funky music?

[Vassenor]

it is certainly not okay to be white, seen since the concept of whiteness extends from racial constructs established in the 19th century to further white supremacy.

Hmm... Running on the assumption this isn't a Poe given the content of your signature...

What does that mean for people who do not base their personal conception of what it is to be white on said sociological throwback?

[Bakery Hill]

it is certainly not okay to be white, seen since the concept of whiteness extends from racial constructs established in the 19th century to further white supremacy.

Hmm... Running on the assumption this isn't a Poe given the content of your signature...

What does that mean for people who do not base their personal conception of what it is to be white on said sociological throwback?

This is standard intersectional left discourse. Why do you assume it's sarcasm?

[Proctopeo]

Hmm... Running on the assumption this isn't a Poe given the content of your signature...

What does that mean for people who do not base their personal conception of what it is to be white on said sociological throwback?

This is standard intersectional left discourse. Why do you assume it's sarcasm?

If it weren't for the "Anti: good things", there would be little ground for skepticism tbh

[Cannot think of a name]

it is certainly not okay to be white, seen since the concept of whiteness extends from racial constructs established in the 19th century to further white supremacy.

Hmm... Running on the assumption this isn't a Poe given the content of your signature...

What does that mean for people who do not base their personal conception of what it is to be white on said sociological throwback?

You cut up an old suit and stitched it back together and called it a new suit?

[Bakery Hill]

This is standard intersectional left discourse. Why do you assume it's sarcasm?

If it weren't for the "Anti: good things", there would be little ground for skepticism tbh

Good point, but some people have odd senses of humour.

[The Hiberno-Scottish Republic]

it is certainly not okay to be white, seen since the concept of whiteness extends from racial constructs established in the 19th century to further white supremacy.

Hmm... Running on the assumption this isn't a Poe given the content of your signature...

What does that mean for people who do not base their personal conception of what it is to be white on said sociological throwback?

A.... Poe? Is this some stupid NSG nonsense I'm yet to be aware of? I haven't been 100% active on here in years.

It means that their perceptions of their identity is influenced by the white supremacist aspects of contemporary society. Not that they're white supremacists, but that their "white" identity comes from white supremacy. I don't think there is any value whatsoever to calling yourself white. Scots are white, the french are white, Croats are white, Finns are white. It means exactly nothing without white supremacist racial theory. I used to identify as "white" but I began to realize that it was a completely hollow identity with no culture to speak of. Nowadays, I identify as an Anglo-Saxon or an Anglo-American, and I like it better because it has actual meaning.

If it weren't for the "Anti: good things", there would be little ground for skepticism tbh

Good point, but some people have odd senses of humour.

I remembered there was a ton of less than subtle white supremacists hanging out on here last time I was on this site. I felt like taunting them.

[Albrenia]

Hmm... Running on the assumption this isn't a Poe given the content of your signature...

What does that mean for people who do not base their personal conception of what it is to be white on said sociological throwback?

A.... Poe? Is this some stupid NSG nonsense I'm yet to be aware of? I haven't been 100% active on here in years.

A Poe is like a parody where it's difficult to tell if the person actually has the views they state, or if they are making fun of the opinions by stating them.

[The Hiberno-Scottish Republic]

A.... Poe? Is this some stupid NSG nonsense I'm yet to be aware of? I haven't been 100% active on here in years.

A Poe is like a parody where it's difficult to tell if the person actually has the views they state, or if they are making fun of the opinions by stating them.

Ahhhhh, okay.

Nah, my sig is just bait.

[Bakery Hill]

Hmm... Running on the assumption this isn't a Poe given the content of your signature...

What does that mean for people who do not base their personal conception of what it is to be white on said sociological throwback?

A.... Poe? Is this some stupid NSG nonsense I'm yet to be aware of? I haven't been 100% active on here in years.

It means that their perceptions of their identity is influenced by the white supremacist aspects of contemporary society. Not that they're white supremacists, but that their "white" identity comes from white supremacy. I don't think there is any value whatsoever to calling yourself white. Scots are white, the french are white, Croats are white, Finns are white. It means exactly nothing without white supremacist racial theory. I used to identify as "white" but I began to realize that it was a completely hollow identity with no culture to speak of. Nowadays, I identify as an Anglo-Saxon or an Anglo-American, and I like it better because it has actual meaning.

Good point, but some people have odd senses of humour.

I remembered there was a ton of less than subtle white supremacists hanging out on here last time I was on this site. I felt like taunting them.

When this argument is put forward with care and clarity it makes a lot of sense. If you don't do that people laugh in your face, because it runs so contrary to conventional wisdom. Trotskylvania dealt with the issue well.

If it sounds stupid, that's because it fucking is. Because who gets to have the privileges of whiteness has changed dramatically. I'm a Polish-American, from a little town in northern Michigan that's almost entirely peopled by Poles and other peoples from Eastern/Central Europe. They didn't all settle there because of some mythical Slavic feeling of brotherhood, they all pretty much fucking hated each other. Even within Poland, we had regional animosities going back centuries. Being Polish only mattered more than, say, being from Gdansk or being from Warszawa, when they got off the boat from the Old Country, and realized that in America, they're all Polacks and in the prevailing hierarchy of late 19th/early 20th century America, they're one step above blacks. So no matter how much they hated each other, they settled with other Poles because at least they had that shared otherness.

Fast forward a hundred years, and we get to be in the White club. The only people who tell Polack jokes are the Polacks of my father's generation or older, an old habit to armor themselves against the racism they experienced for not being an Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

Whiteness isn't really about skin color, it's always been a social club. And only in the post Jim Crow era have all Europeans been invited to that club. Maybe I'll live to see the day when being of African descent will be the same as my own Polish descent in our culture. I'd certainly like to live to see it. But if you really think there's no such thing as white privilege, ponder this:

When I get verbally abused by little shits on the internet, say on Xbox Live voice chat, they don't call me a Polack. They don't even call me any number of slurs for white people, like cracker or honky. They call me a nigger, because the most hurtful thing you can say to someone is to call them black.

This is all true. But where I might depart from this analysis is in acknowledging that this "social club" phenomenon breaks down old ethnic customs and consciousness and creates a white pan-ethnicity. Whether you want to identify with that pan-ethnicity is up to you of course, but you need to be conscious that millions of others do. Which is why publicly hating on white people or denying they exist is foolish and counter productive for the left as a social movement.

[The Hiberno-Scottish Republic]

A.... Poe? Is this some stupid NSG nonsense I'm yet to be aware of? I haven't been 100% active on here in years.

It means that their perceptions of their identity is influenced by the white supremacist aspects of contemporary society. Not that they're white supremacists, but that their "white" identity comes from white supremacy. I don't think there is any value whatsoever to calling yourself white. Scots are white, the french are white, Croats are white, Finns are white. It means exactly nothing without white supremacist racial theory. I used to identify as "white" but I began to realize that it was a completely hollow identity with no culture to speak of. Nowadays, I identify as an Anglo-Saxon or an Anglo-American, and I like it better because it has actual meaning.


I remembered there was a ton of less than subtle white supremacists hanging out on here last time I was on this site. I felt like taunting them.

When this argument is put forward with care and clarity it makes a lot of sense. If you don't do that people laugh in your face, because it runs so contrary to conventional wisdom. Trotskylvania dealt with the issue well.

If it sounds stupid, that's because it fucking is. Because who gets to have the privileges of whiteness has changed dramatically. I'm a Polish-American, from a little town in northern Michigan that's almost entirely peopled by Poles and other peoples from Eastern/Central Europe. They didn't all settle there because of some mythical Slavic feeling of brotherhood, they all pretty much fucking hated each other. Even within Poland, we had regional animosities going back centuries. Being Polish only mattered more than, say, being from Gdansk or being from Warszawa, when they got off the boat from the Old Country, and realized that in America, they're all Polacks and in the prevailing hierarchy of late 19th/early 20th century America, they're one step above blacks. So no matter how much they hated each other, they settled with other Poles because at least they had that shared otherness.

Fast forward a hundred years, and we get to be in the White club. The only people who tell Polack jokes are the Polacks of my father's generation or older, an old habit to armor themselves against the racism they experienced for not being an Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

Whiteness isn't really about skin color, it's always been a social club. And only in the post Jim Crow era have all Europeans been invited to that club. Maybe I'll live to see the day when being of African descent will be the same as my own Polish descent in our culture. I'd certainly like to live to see it. But if you really think there's no such thing as white privilege, ponder this:

When I get verbally abused by little shits on the internet, say on Xbox Live voice chat, they don't call me a Polack. They don't even call me any number of slurs for white people, like cracker or honky. They call me a nigger, because the most hurtful thing you can say to someone is to call them black.

This is all true. But where I might depart from this analysis is in acknowledging that this "social club" phenomenon breaks down old ethnic customs and consciousness and creates a white pan-ethnicity. Whether you want to identify with that pan-ethnicity is up to you of course, but you need to be conscious that millions of others do. Which is why publicly hating on white people or denying they exist is foolish and counter productive for the left as a social movement.

I didn't support bashing white people, i simply said it's not okay to identify with 19th century racial theory. Could my delivery have been better? Maybe. But I see nothing wrong with that statement. The vast majority of white people don't strongly identify as white, they identify as American, Australian, British, etc. Me saying that whiteness doesn't exist isn't denying the existence of their cultural customs and traditions but the existence of a specific racial identity that odds are good they don't feel strongly with anyway.

[Albrenia]

Honestly being proud of your race is rank stupidity to me anyway. It's not like anyone ever did anything to choose or earn our ancestors.

[The Hiberno-Scottish Republic]

Honestly being proud of your race is rank stupidity to me anyway. It's not like anyone ever did anything to choose or earn our ancestors.

Stuff like Black and Asian identities are more reactions to racial theory rather than promotion of them. Unity based on the shard oppression that they have, since white people don't exactly try hard to differ between a Chinese and Thai American or an African and Nigerian-American.

The white identity however, there's no excuse for it imo.

[Bakery Hill]

When this argument is put forward with care and clarity it makes a lot of sense. If you don't do that people laugh in your face, because it runs so contrary to conventional wisdom. Trotskylvania dealt with the issue well.



This is all true. But where I might depart from this analysis is in acknowledging that this "social club" phenomenon breaks down old ethnic customs and consciousness and creates a white pan-ethnicity. Whether you want to identify with that pan-ethnicity is up to you of course, but you need to be conscious that millions of others do. Which is why publicly hating on white people or denying they exist is foolish and counter productive for the left as a social movement.

I didn't support bashing white people, i simply said it's not okay to identify with 19th century racial theory. Could my delivery have been better? Maybe. But I see nothing wrong with that statement.

That was not a direct attack against you, but while we're here you say you're pro-white genocide, of course I understand that's a joke, but many others do not and while it may troll the alt right, when seen as the public stance of a movement, it's not particularly helpful.

The vast majority of white people don't strongly identify as white, they identify as American, Australian, British, etc. Me saying that whiteness doesn't exist isn't denying the existence of their cultural customs and traditions but the existence of a specific racial identity that odds are good they don't feel strongly with anyway.

I'd disagree with that from my own experience. Many do, particularly at times when they feel under threat of some kind from non-white people. Not only that but there's also an intrinsic and implied relation between those national identities and white pan-ethnic racial identity that needs to be broken if we want a society that's open to non-white people. I think you misunderstand the depth and scale of the issue.

[Bakery Hill]

Honestly being proud of your race is rank stupidity to me anyway. It's not like anyone ever did anything to choose or earn our ancestors.

Stuff like Black and Asian identities are more reactions to racial theory rather than promotion of them. Unity based on the shard oppression that they have, since white people don't exactly try hard to differ between a Chinese and Thai American or an African and Nigerian-American.

The white identity however, there's no excuse for it imo.

The morality of it existing is not important. It exists, so what do we do?

[The Hiberno-Scottish Republic]

I didn't support bashing white people, i simply said it's not okay to identify with 19th century racial theory. Could my delivery have been better? Maybe. But I see nothing wrong with that statement.

That was not a direct attack against you, but while we're here you say you're pro-white genocide, of course I understand that's a joke, but many others do not and while it may troll the alt right, when seen as the public stance of a movement, it's not particularly helpful.

Says the person with a hammer and sickle on their icon.

I also proclaim I am pro-special snowflakes and anti-good things. I think people are gonna get I'm not serious here.

The vast majority of white people don't strongly identify as white, they identify as American, Australian, British, etc. Me saying that whiteness doesn't exist isn't denying the existence of their cultural customs and traditions but the existence of a specific racial identity that odds are good they don't feel strongly with anyway.

I'd disagree with that from my own experience. Many do, particularly at times when they feel under threat of some kind from non-white people. Not only that but there's also an intrinsic and implied relation between those national identities and white pan-ethnic racial identity that needs to be broken if we want a society that's open to non-white people. I think you misunderstand the depth and scale of the issue.

"Many do", at what capacity? Do white Americans feel about their white identity the same way that Germans or Serbs do their ethnic identity? Or does it only pop up in relations to other "races", ie feeling threatened at the rate of Arab immigration to a particular community?

From my experience, it's the latter. White Americans will go off all the live long day about how they're proud Americans. Not Whites, not White Americans, Americans. Racial identities exist separate from cultural or national identities. It's only when addressing racial prejudice, be it against or for it, that white people seem to acknowledge their whiteness. The only people who seem to hold a lot of pride in their whiteness are, well, white supremacists, from my experience.

I don't get what you're trying to say with the rest of your post. I dont mean that in a condescending way, I just... Don't.

[Donut section]

Honestly being proud of your race is rank stupidity to me anyway. It's not like anyone ever did anything to choose or earn our ancestors.

Stuff like Black and Asian identities are more reactions to racial theory rather than promotion of them. Unity based on the shard oppression that they have, since white people don't exactly try hard to differ between a Chinese and Thai American or an African and Nigerian-American.

The white identity however, there's no excuse for it imo.

I liked the part where you separated various kinds of African and Asian identity and then used White to collectivise European identity.

10/10 would spot Marxist arguments from space.

[Bakery Hill]

That was not a direct attack against you, but while we're here you say you're pro-white genocide, of course I understand that's a joke, but many others do not and while it may troll the alt right, when seen as the public stance of a movement, it's not particularly helpful.

Says the person with a hammer and sickle on their icon.

I also proclaim I am pro-special snowflakes and anti-good things. I think people are gonna get I'm not serious here.

There is a common conception that the new intersectional left hates white people, it's best not to play into that.

I'd disagree with that from my own experience. Many do, particularly at times when they feel under threat of some kind from non-white people. Not only that but there's also an intrinsic and implied relation between those national identities and white pan-ethnic racial identity that needs to be broken if we want a society that's open to non-white people. I think you misunderstand the depth and scale of the issue.

"Many do", at what capacity? Do white Americans feel about their white identity the same way that Germans or Serbs do their ethnic identity? Or does it only pop up in relations to other "races", ie feeling threatened at the rate of Arab immigration to a particular community?

I'm not sure how to answer this apart from saying that American and Serbian societies are very different. One is a settler society where a white identity was constructed from disparate parts through social assimilation, set against a Native American and Africans. The other is a society where a Serb identity was constructed on a linguistic, religious and regional basis set largely (but not totally) against an encroaching Muslim other.

From my experience, it's the latter. White Americans will go off all the live long day about how they're proud Americans. Not Whites, not White Americans, Americans. Racial identities exist separate from cultural or national identities. It's only when addressing racial prejudice, be it against or for it, that white people seem to acknowledge their whiteness. The only people who seem to hold a lot of pride in their whiteness are, well, white supremacists, from my experience.

This is not my experience. Mine is that though most white people do not think about race very often or shout it from the rooftops, they're quite ready to self identify as white and be defensive of this when challenged. Maybe others could come in and confirm or deny this.

I don't get what you're trying to say with the rest of your post. I dont mean that in a condescending way, I just... Don't.

What don't you understand in particular?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Honestly being proud of your race is rank stupidity to me anyway. It's not like anyone ever did anything to choose or earn our ancestors.

Same thing can be said about being proud of one's country.
I'm proud of being a Muslim African-American.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Stuff like Black and Asian identities are more reactions to racial theory rather than promotion of them. Unity based on the shard oppression that they have, since white people don't exactly try hard to differ between a Chinese and Thai American or an African and Nigerian-American.

The white identity however, there's no excuse for it imo.

I liked the part where you separated various kinds of African and Asian identity and then used White to collectivise European identity.

10/10 would spot Marxist arguments from space.

Because white identity is what he's talking about.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I liked the part where you separated various kinds of African and Asian identity and then used White to collectivise European identity.

10/10 would spot Marxist arguments from space.

Because white identity is what he's talking about.

There should be no racial identities. Paint everybody blue, then in a good couple years no one will care anymore except for the government paint regulations.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Because white identity is what he's talking about.

There should be know racial identities. Paint everybody blue, then in a good couple years no one will care anymore except for the government paint regulations.

You'd still be able to tell what race people are.
Time to start face reconstruction

[Donut section]

I liked the part where you separated various kinds of African and Asian identity and then used White to collectivise European identity.

10/10 would spot Marxist arguments from space.

Because white identity is what he's talking about.

As opposed to black identity or Asian identity.

[Holy Tedalonia]

There should be know racial identities. Paint everybody blue, then in a good couple years no one will care anymore except for the government paint regulations.

You'd still be able to tell what race people are.
Time to start face reconstruction

We'll faces tend to be more often less important, but can easily be remedied with tribal masks.