It's Okay To Be White campaign

[Liriena]

The poll results of this question are encouraging, at least.

At least the numbers imply that lefties like me, who didn't take the bait and instead just shrugged a bit and said 'Cool story bro', are more common than I thought.

And yet the baiting buttholes and their enablers are crying "victory!!!!"

Tells us lefties all we need to know about the intellectual sincerity and value of far right identity politics and their argumentation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Their humor is fueled by such nonsense, yes.

Remember the time /b/ got a 39 year old guy who wanted to sniff Taylor Swift’s hair to win a contest for a private concert with Taylor Swift? Good times.

Or that time /pol/ called in an air strike, or that time a fellow /k/ommando mustard gassed himself.

It's a wonderful website.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Been there, done that, I still think you're being too forgiving and giving them too much of a benefit of the doubt. And yes, I do take them seriously (to an extent). I think many of them are pathetic piles of garbage that should be relentlessly mocked and made fun of, but I also think that the ideas that they clearly do hold and spread should be subjected to their due criticism, because they are ideas that they clearly agree with unironically to some extent and I don't want their crap to spread to other vulnerable people unchecked. There's a very visible, undeniable link between those "humorous" circles and places like Breitbart, meaning that, for many, this garbage "humour" serves as an alluring entrance to far right politics. We already saw this with Gamergate and Milo Yiannopoulos. There's not much of a distance between "SJW cringe compilations" and Stephan Molyneux videos, and from there it's a downward spiral.

I'm sorry Liri, but with all due respect, this doesn't make any sense.

You're saying that because people can post all the shit they want online we somehow have to take them seriously because the gullible are going to think this is serious dialogue?

Look, before I was on NSG, I was a very... unpleasant sort of folk. Still am, to an extent, when dealing with people online. I am a big bully outside of NS and while I remain anonymous. I posted all kinds of shit, but what I say online under my real name, and what I say behind a pseudonym are two entirely different things. I learned since very young not to trust everything I read online and to take all of this shitposting in good fun.

If people sincerely want to believe what they want to believe out of shitposting, that's frankly not my problem. Neither should it be. I am not the one who takes everything I read online at face value.

[Holy Tedalonia]

All they had to do is put "ok to be" and "white" together, and they got an overreaction by the left.

You didn't answer my question: Who on "the left"?

The left is a whole side of the political spectrum. You're talking about hundreds of millions of people with a wide variety of ideologies (social democrats, progressive liberals, socialists, anarchists, communists, tankies, greens, etc., etc.). So who exactly do you mean by "the left"? Do you sincerely believe that this alleged "overreaction" was universal to all those millions of people, or that it's representative of all people of every left-wing ideology?

Fair enough, im generalizing because I believe it doesn't matter what party or ideology your in to overreact. Even moderates overreact from time to time.

Most people just read the OPs statement about Its Ok to be White, and instantly assumed racism.

[citation needed]

Do you have a poll? A statistic of any sort?

It's very important that we look at the overall picture, Black Lives Matter was specifically created to combat hundreds of years of racial inequality created by white people who continue to think they are above us and others. However, It's Okay To Be White, in reality, is an outcry from centrist and conservative whites who can feel their privilege slipping away. We've seen this happen with Jim Crow, Racial Riots after Jim Crow and here we are again today. White People feel their systematic oppression of others and the privilege they've enjoyed slipping away so their reaction, to create a campaign alleging social injustice against their race when in reality the very campaign is racist because it once again disenfranchises minorities especially black people.

Black Lives Matter: Fight hundreds of years of racial injustice.
It's Okay To Be White: Fight... two years of racial isolation caused by groups created to combat our systematic oppression.

This person went on a rant, the others were smaller and more pointless overreactions. They didn't know about the trolls cause they were to busy ranting...

[Galloism]

Remember the time /b/ got a 39 year old guy who wanted to sniff Taylor Swift’s hair to win a contest for a private concert with Taylor Swift? Good times.

Or that time /pol/ called in an air strike, or that time a fellow /k/ommando mustard gassed himself.

It's a wonderful website.

Also the time they weighted a contest for which school would get a Taylor Swift concert, making a school for the deaf win the contest.

[The East Marches II]

Their humor is fueled by such nonsense, yes.

Humour fueled by actual Nazism... but they're not really racists and anti-semites. They just like endlessly talking about it and parroting all the conspiracy theories and Nazi rhetoric verbatim to "own the libs".

The more you react, the more they meme. It has become your lot that are now the wilting sort in society :^)

[Albrenia]

They're internet assholes. It's what they do, and they're pretty good at it.

I mean, they could have put all the effort they put into closing down pools with fake AIDs scares and ordering the initials of a poll's results to spell out a meme into doing something useful, but they chose not to.

EDIT FOR ABOVE - 'wilting sort'? What does that mean, good sir?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Or that time /pol/ called in an air strike, or that time a fellow /k/ommando mustard gassed himself.

It's a wonderful website.

Also the time they weighted a contest for which school would get a Taylor Swift concert, making a school for the deaf win the contest.

Or even the 'Dub the Dew' incident, where they flooded the contest with joke names and hacked the front page.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also the time they weighted a contest for which school would get a Taylor Swift concert, making a school for the deaf win the contest.

Or even the 'Dub the Dew' incident, where they flooded the contest with joke names and hacked the front page.

I myself was looking forward to some Hitler Did Nothing Wrong flavored Mountain Dew.

[Albrenia]

Basically there is no act so depraved or inhumane that they won't do it just to laugh at the people who are shocked by it. Although to be fair, occasionally they turn their ire on actual bad people, like a guy who was torturing cats, who they hunted down via pictures of his carpet.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

[...]I mean, they could have put all the effort they put into closing down pools with fake AIDs scares and ordering the initials of a poll's results to spell out a meme into doing something useful, but they chose not to.[...]

I wouldn't say that, mate. Despite the fact that they can be absolute scumbags, those on 4chan have done good before.

[Liriena]

Been there, done that, I still think you're being too forgiving and giving them too much of a benefit of the doubt. And yes, I do take them seriously (to an extent). I think many of them are pathetic piles of garbage that should be relentlessly mocked and made fun of, but I also think that the ideas that they clearly do hold and spread should be subjected to their due criticism, because they are ideas that they clearly agree with unironically to some extent and I don't want their crap to spread to other vulnerable people unchecked. There's a very visible, undeniable link between those "humorous" circles and places like Breitbart, meaning that, for many, this garbage "humour" serves as an alluring entrance to far right politics. We already saw this with Gamergate and Milo Yiannopoulos. There's not much of a distance between "SJW cringe compilations" and Stephan Molyneux videos, and from there it's a downward spiral.

I'm sorry Liri, but with all due respect, this doesn't make any sense.

You're saying that because people can post all the shit they want online we somehow have to take them seriously because the gullible are going to think this is serious dialogue?

Look, before I was on NSG, I was a very... unpleasant sort of folk. Still am, to an extent, when dealing with people online. I am a big bully outside of NS and while I remain anonymous. I posted all kinds of shit, but what I say online under my real name, and what I say behind a pseudonym are two entirely different things. I learned since very young not to trust everything I read online and to take all of this shitposting in good fun.

If people sincerely want to believe what they want to believe out of shitposting, that's frankly not my problem. Neither should it be. I am not the one who takes everything I read online at face value.

I don't take everything I read online at face value. I've been alive long enough to know how full of crap much (or most) of the internet is. But that, to me, is part of the problem. I think I can generally tell what's real and what's not (although I'm still not immune to mucking it up now and then), but others fare a lot worse than I do, and they fall for all manner of misinformation and extreme rhetoric because the internet is saturated with it, and even if the lies and extremism are just "ironic", they will still have an effect. They will affect people vulnerable to them, and those people will have to live in the real world alongside the rest of us while under the influence of those ideas. And that worries me.

And as for taking all "s***posting in good fun", in some cases I simply can't, because said "s***posting", even if it pretends to be devoid of any real meaning, will inevitably contain some meaning, some intent, some conditions of production underlying it, and those who read it will too derive meaning from it, with their own conditions of recognition. And when we know for a fact that genuine ideologues are aware of the effects of this, and interested in using it for the pursuit of their own goals, we have to take it seriously.

By all means, I will happily s***post back at the s***posters and laugh at the pathetic extremists, but that doesn't mean I will not also criticize the underlying ideas.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Their humor is fueled by such nonsense, yes.

I think you're underestimating it, dude. Whenever some /pol/ak comes to leftypol they usually say they got sick of all the bitching about jews, race mixing, iq and whatnot. Obviously it's just a joke to a lot of guys, but it's generally seen as the place you can go if you're a legit nazi outside of Stormfront.

As somebody who's had to experience the most repetitive and unoriginal humor in the Army for a year, I can understand their plight.

And yes, Nazis would think they're in good company, as would any idiot when they finishing a community of people pretending to be idiots.

Their humor is fueled by such nonsense, yes.

Humour fueled by actual Nazism... but they're not really racists and anti-semites. They just like endlessly talking about it and parroting all the conspiracy theories and Nazi rhetoric verbatim to "own the libs".

They're doing it for a laugh.

You know when people pretend they're something they're not for humor? What's that called? Acting? Yeah, that's what it is.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'm sorry Liri, but with all due respect, this doesn't make any sense.

You're saying that because people can post all the shit they want online we somehow have to take them seriously because the gullible are going to think this is serious dialogue?

Look, before I was on NSG, I was a very... unpleasant sort of folk. Still am, to an extent, when dealing with people online. I am a big bully outside of NS and while I remain anonymous. I posted all kinds of shit, but what I say online under my real name, and what I say behind a pseudonym are two entirely different things. I learned since very young not to trust everything I read online and to take all of this shitposting in good fun.

If people sincerely want to believe what they want to believe out of shitposting, that's frankly not my problem. Neither should it be. I am not the one who takes everything I read online at face value.

I don't take everything I read online at face value. I've been alive long enough to know how full of crap much (or most) of the internet is. But that, to me, is part of the problem. I think I can generally tell what's real and what's not (although I'm still not immune to mucking it up now and then), but others fare a lot worse than I do, and they fall for all manner of misinformation and extreme rhetoric because the internet is saturated with it, and even if the lies and extremism are just "ironic", they will still have an effect. They will affect people vulnerable to them, and those people will have to live in the real world alongside the rest of us while under the influence of those ideas. And that worries me.

And as for taking all "s***posting in good fun", in some cases I simply can't, because said "s***posting", even if it pretends to be devoid of any real meaning, will inevitably contain some meaning, some intent, some conditions of production underlying it, and those who read it will too derive meaning from it, with their own conditions of recognition. And when we know for a fact that genuine ideologues are aware of the effects of this, and interested in using it for the pursuit of their own goals, we have to take it seriously.

By all means, I will happily s***post back at the s***posters and laugh at the pathetic extremists, but that doesn't mean I will not also criticize the underlying ideas.

Maybe the intent is to mock Nazis and the alt right.

[Unitaristic Regions]

I think you're underestimating it, dude. Whenever some /pol/ak comes to leftypol they usually say they got sick of all the bitching about jews, race mixing, iq and whatnot. Obviously it's just a joke to a lot of guys, but it's generally seen as the place you can go if you're a legit nazi outside of Stormfront.

As somebody who's had to experience the most repetitive and unoriginal humor in the Army for a year, I can understand their plight.

And yes, Nazis would think they're in good company, as would any idiot when they finishing a community of people pretending to be idiots.

Humour fueled by actual Nazism... but they're not really racists and anti-semites. They just like endlessly talking about it and parroting all the conspiracy theories and Nazi rhetoric verbatim to "own the libs".

They're doing it for a laugh.

You know when people pretend they're something they're not for humor? What's that called? Acting? Yeah, that's what it is.

I kinda love how pol is the ultimate poe's law where you have egdy kids and legit nazis mixing in without any friction.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm sorry Liri, but with all due respect, this doesn't make any sense.

You're saying that because people can post all the shit they want online we somehow have to take them seriously because the gullible are going to think this is serious dialogue?

Look, before I was on NSG, I was a very... unpleasant sort of folk. Still am, to an extent, when dealing with people online. I am a big bully outside of NS and while I remain anonymous. I posted all kinds of shit, but what I say online under my real name, and what I say behind a pseudonym are two entirely different things. I learned since very young not to trust everything I read online and to take all of this shitposting in good fun.

If people sincerely want to believe what they want to believe out of shitposting, that's frankly not my problem. Neither should it be. I am not the one who takes everything I read online at face value.

I don't take everything I read online at face value. I've been alive long enough to know how full of crap much (or most) of the internet is. But that, to me, is part of the problem. I think I can generally tell what's real and what's not (although I'm still not immune to mucking it up now and then), but others fare a lot worse than I do, and they fall for all manner of misinformation and extreme rhetoric because the internet is saturated with it, and even if the lies and extremism are just "ironic", they will still have an effect. They will affect people vulnerable to them, and those people will have to live in the real world alongside the rest of us while under the influence of those ideas. And that worries me.

And as for taking all "s***posting in good fun", in some cases I simply can't, because said "s***posting", even if it pretends to be devoid of any real meaning, will inevitably contain some meaning, some intent, some conditions of production underlying it, and those who read it will too derive meaning from it, with their own conditions of recognition. And when we know for a fact that genuine ideologues are aware of the effects of this, and interested in using it for the pursuit of their own goals, we have to take it seriously.

By all means, I will happily s***post back at the s***posters and laugh at the pathetic extremists, but that doesn't mean I will not also criticize the underlying ideas.

I've been around long enough to tell you that when it comes to shitposting and the meaning behind it, it really is nothing more than an arms race on "who can piss off the other side faster and make them ragequit". That's it. There's no underlying meaning behind the words being said other than piss the reader off. That's why the shitposter does it. And they keep on doing it because they see it works.

It's been around since the very beginning of the internet, it's not going away anytime soon. It's just taken to other mediums other than 4chan or whatever popular shitposting platform was popular back then, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Gullible people still took shitposting at face value and gullible people will keep taking anonymous shitposters at face value. The only thing that has changed is how many gullible people are online, not the basics.

[Liriena]

Humour fueled by actual Nazism... but they're not really racists and anti-semites. They just like endlessly talking about it and parroting all the conspiracy theories and Nazi rhetoric verbatim to "own the libs".

The more you react, the more they meme. It has become your lot that are now the wilting sort in society :^)

"Wilting"? Ya bettar take yer fancy werds elsewheare.

They'll still find ways to keep "memeing" and pretend that they are "owning" someone even if we don't take them seriously or even talk about them. Their lot is remarkably good at finding (or just making up) dumb reasons to continue to be garbage people.

I personally prefer a combination of smart critique and the Mel Brooks method.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

As somebody who's had to experience the most repetitive and unoriginal humor in the Army for a year, I can understand their plight.

And yes, Nazis would think they're in good company, as would any idiot when they finishing a community of people pretending to be idiots.


They're doing it for a laugh.

You know when people pretend they're something they're not for humor? What's that called? Acting? Yeah, that's what it is.

I kinda love how pol is the ultimate poe's law where you have egdy kids and legit nazis mixing in without any friction.

There's a litmus test to see who's a Nazi or not.

"Nazis are left wing."

[Liriena]

I don't take everything I read online at face value. I've been alive long enough to know how full of crap much (or most) of the internet is. But that, to me, is part of the problem. I think I can generally tell what's real and what's not (although I'm still not immune to mucking it up now and then), but others fare a lot worse than I do, and they fall for all manner of misinformation and extreme rhetoric because the internet is saturated with it, and even if the lies and extremism are just "ironic", they will still have an effect. They will affect people vulnerable to them, and those people will have to live in the real world alongside the rest of us while under the influence of those ideas. And that worries me.

And as for taking all "s***posting in good fun", in some cases I simply can't, because said "s***posting", even if it pretends to be devoid of any real meaning, will inevitably contain some meaning, some intent, some conditions of production underlying it, and those who read it will too derive meaning from it, with their own conditions of recognition. And when we know for a fact that genuine ideologues are aware of the effects of this, and interested in using it for the pursuit of their own goals, we have to take it seriously.

By all means, I will happily s***post back at the s***posters and laugh at the pathetic extremists, but that doesn't mean I will not also criticize the underlying ideas.

Maybe the intent is to mock Nazis and the alt right.

Again, I must ask: why are you being so generous with them? Seriously, your unfaltering dedication to preserving them from any sort of negativity is getting downright creepy.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The more you react, the more they meme. It has become your lot that are now the wilting sort in society :^)

"Wilting"? Ya bettar take yer fancy werds elsewheare.

They'll still find ways to keep "memeing" and pretend that they are "owning" someone even if we don't take them seriously or even talk about them. Their lot is remarkably good at finding (or just making up) dumb reasons to continue to be garbage people.

I personally prefer a combination of smart critique and the Mel Brooks method.

But you are taking them seriously. That you continue to be upset by them means they are, in fact, opening you.

[Donut section]

I kinda love how pol is the ultimate poe's law where you have egdy kids and legit nazis mixing in without any friction.

There's a litmus test to see who's a Nazi or not.

"Nazis are left wing."

Hahahaha oh shiiiit.

[Liriena]

You didn't answer my question: Who on "the left"?

The left is a whole side of the political spectrum. You're talking about hundreds of millions of people with a wide variety of ideologies (social democrats, progressive liberals, socialists, anarchists, communists, tankies, greens, etc., etc.). So who exactly do you mean by "the left"? Do you sincerely believe that this alleged "overreaction" was universal to all those millions of people, or that it's representative of all people of every left-wing ideology?

Fair enough, im generalizing because I believe it doesn't matter what party or ideology your in to overreact. Even moderates overreact from time to time.

That doesn't really answer my question, but since you've admitted that you're generalizing...

[citation needed]

Do you have a poll? A statistic of any sort?

It's very important that we look at the overall picture, Black Lives Matter was specifically created to combat hundreds of years of racial inequality created by white people who continue to think they are above us and others. However, It's Okay To Be White, in reality, is an outcry from centrist and conservative whites who can feel their privilege slipping away. We've seen this happen with Jim Crow, Racial Riots after Jim Crow and here we are again today. White People feel their systematic oppression of others and the privilege they've enjoyed slipping away so their reaction, to create a campaign alleging social injustice against their race when in reality the very campaign is racist because it once again disenfranchises minorities especially black people.

Black Lives Matter: Fight hundreds of years of racial injustice.
It's Okay To Be White: Fight... two years of racial isolation caused by groups created to combat our systematic oppression.

This person went on a rant, the others were smaller and more pointless overreactions. They didn't know about the trolls cause they were to busy ranting...

So you don't have any way of proving some sort of behaviour reflective of the entire "left".

[The East Marches II]

The more you react, the more they meme. It has become your lot that are now the wilting sort in society :^)

"Wilting"? Ya bettar take yer fancy werds elsewheare.

They'll still find ways to keep "memeing" and pretend that they are "owning" someone even if we don't take them seriously or even talk about them. Their lot is remarkably good at finding (or just making up) dumb reasons to continue to be garbage people.

I personally prefer a combination of smart critique and the Mel Brooks method.

>Don't take them seriously

If only that were true, the reactions on the Uni campuses say otherwise. Also your posts in this thread.

[Proctopeo]

Maybe the intent is to mock Nazis and the alt right.

Again, I must ask: why are you being so generous with them? Seriously, your unfaltering dedication to preserving them from any sort of negativity is getting downright creepy.

Your unfaltering dedication to taking it way too seriously is becoming downright hilarious.
You're acting irrationally, which is exactly what they want. The fact you think you're being rational about this is also what they want - so you'll continue doing it to generate lulz.

[Albrenia]

The only real thing which actually does annoy me about them is that some of them are clearly actually fairly intelligent people. Some of the things they've done both online and in the real world would take, at the very least, organisational skills beyond what one would expect to find in such a group.