It's Okay To Be White campaign

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I was thinking, it seems plausible that both sides have some decent points, even if this campaign is just politically-aimed meme stuff.

Your following post is mostly correct. But it still misses the point.

Racism and sexism exist, but are not only afflicted on any one race or gender.

Sure. Racism is directed against all persons of color in the West - not just, say, against black people. And the patriarchy oppresses not only women, but people who do not conform to the gender binary as well. It also hurts men in certain ways.

So do you folks agree that it's possible that we don't live in a racist hivemind, but instead a society of individuals, some of whom are misogynists, misandrists or the many flavours of racist which afflict this world?

No one is saying this. But cultural prejudices, institutionalized bias, systemic discrimination, etc, are all still things, and thoroughly interconnected.

By the same not, we are not all born racist or sexist, nor is racism or sexism a trait of any particular gender or race.

Of course no one is born racist or sexist. But, a white person who grows up in and is conditioned to their status within a society in which whites are on top will retain certain internal prejudices and such, whether they are blatant and conscious or not. It is our responsibility to recognize them and work toward their elimination.

[Bakery Hill]

This is true, but they're not like matter and anti-matter. There's liberal ideas in socialism, sometimes regrettably so and socialistic ideas also creep into liberalism. Socialism is also in many ways a fulfillment of the liberal ideas of the French Revolution.

You can look at it that way, certainly. Political theory is a mire of influence and interpretation. I was just making the point that, in contrast to the modern right-wing narrative, the Clinton political machine is in fact not ideologically equivalent to a Marxist-Leninist vanguard.

Funnily enough, that seems to be the case.

Obama was however once in the same room as a former Maoist.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You can look at it that way, certainly. Political theory is a mire of influence and interpretation. I was just making the point that, in contrast to the modern right-wing narrative, the Clinton political machine is in fact not ideologically equivalent to a Marxist-Leninist vanguard.

I'd hope nobody would actually believe that they were. It seems silly that a lot of people accuse the same people of being 'corporate' and 'elite' whilst also calling them Communist.

It's very silly, especially from the standpoint of a communist. Anyone who has read a word of Marx (or even the introductory paragraph for the "Communism" Wikipedia page) knows better than that, but sadly, many people are steadfast and content in their ignorance.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You can look at it that way, certainly. Political theory is a mire of influence and interpretation. I was just making the point that, in contrast to the modern right-wing narrative, the Clinton political machine is in fact not ideologically equivalent to a Marxist-Leninist vanguard.

Funnily enough, that seems to be the case.

Obama was however once in the same room as a former Maoist.

And my former boss's husband used to be a military policeman, but I'm still not an authoritarian militarist.

[Albrenia]

I was thinking, it seems plausible that both sides have some decent points, even if this campaign is just politically-aimed meme stuff.

Your following post is mostly correct. But it still misses the point.

Racism and sexism exist, but are not only afflicted on any one race or gender.

Sure. Racism is directed against all persons of color in the West - not just, say, against black people. And the patriarchy oppresses not only women, but people who do not conform to the gender binary as well. It also hurts men in certain ways.

So do you folks agree that it's possible that we don't live in a racist hivemind, but instead a society of individuals, some of whom are misogynists, misandrists or the many flavours of racist which afflict this world?

No one is saying this. But cultural prejudices, institutionalized bias, systemic discrimination, etc, are all still things, and thoroughly interconnected.

By the same not, we are not all born racist or sexist, nor is racism or sexism a trait of any particular gender or race.

Of course no one is born racist or sexist. But, a white person who grows up in and is conditioned to their status within a society in which whites are on top will retain certain internal prejudices and such, whether they are blatant and conscious or not. It is our responsibility to recognize them and work toward their elimination.

Thanks for the in-depth answer to my post.

If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

[Bakery Hill]

Funnily enough, that seems to be the case.

Obama was however once in the same room as a former Maoist.

And my former boss's husband used to be a military policeman, but I'm still not an authoritarian militarist.

That's nothing, an acquaintance of mine had a great uncle who was a low ranking diplomat in Nazi Germany. I check myself for fascism every day.

[Donut section]

Your following post is mostly correct. But it still misses the point.

Sure. Racism is directed against all persons of color in the West - not just, say, against black people. And the patriarchy oppresses not only women, but people who do not conform to the gender binary as well. It also hurts men in certain ways.

No one is saying this. But cultural prejudices, institutionalized bias, systemic discrimination, etc, are all still things, and thoroughly interconnected.

Of course no one is born racist or sexist. But, a white person who grows up in and is conditioned to their status within a society in which whites are on top will retain certain internal prejudices and such, whether they are blatant and conscious or not. It is our responsibility to recognize them and work toward their elimination.

Thanks for the in-depth answer to my post.

If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

Patriarchy is the fictional international male boogeyman.

It allows feminists to buy into the Marxist oppressor/oppressed narrative so they don't have to accept any personal responsibility for their own lives and empowers them to act in shitty ways.

[Aellex]

Except I'd be fine with it if students at any given university chose to no-platform me.

And yet I've troubles believing that given you guys still didn't got over MacCarthyism.

Or they can protest, maybe even apply a healthy bit of civil disobedience.

No, again, they can go fuck themselves if they ain't happy about it and be glad that at least the conference isn't mandatory because it's well within the university's rights than to choose to make it so.
If they despite all that choose to start some shit, the university would be right to penalise their grades or downright expel them.

To many students, their university is a second home, a community, and a community has a right to choose who can use their platforms... specially if the person who wants to use their platform is a notorious extremist or propagandist with no academic value whatsoever.

lol no.
It's an university, not your "second home". Most people have barely more than twenty hours of classes there. Were you talking about preparatory classes or other such things were you actually spend literally half your time and that instill genuine " esprit de corps " , you could have had a point but right now you don't. Students don't make up the "community" of an university. They're CLIENTS of an university.

Again, if they ain't happy about it, they can go fuck themselves because it's not their call than to decide what conferences are on schedule.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Thanks for the in-depth answer to my post.

If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

No worries. I try.

The patriarchy is just the way in which society is largely run by and for men. That's it.

[Aellex]

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If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

A conspiracy theory.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

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If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

A conspiracy theory.

basic knowledge of sociology = conspiracy theory

lol k

[Aellex]

basic knowledge of sociology = conspiracy theory

lol k

Well, "Patriarchy" =/= basic knowledge of sociology, quite the contrary rather.
It's indeed way more akin to a conspiracy.

[The Snazzylands]

Thanks for the in-depth answer to my post.

If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

Patriarchy is the fictional international male boogeyman.

It allows feminists to buy into the Marxist oppressor/oppressed narrative so they don't have to accept any personal responsibility for their own lives and empowers them to act in shitty ways.

Huh, I never knew modern feminism was rooted in critique of political economy though the lens of historical materialism.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Patriarchy is the fictional international male boogeyman.

It allows feminists to buy into the Marxist oppressor/oppressed narrative so they don't have to accept any personal responsibility for their own lives and empowers them to act in shitty ways.

Huh, I never knew modern feminism was rooted in critique of political economy though the lens of historical materialism.

No no no no, see, you are misinformed. Marxism is not a methodology for analyzing class relations, an outline of the historical progression of society, and dialectical materialism; it's everything nasty and bad in the world (according, of course, to those paragons of rationality, objectivity, and truth: reactionary white Westerners).

[Crockerland]

Your following post is mostly correct. But it still misses the point.

Sure. Racism is directed against all persons of color in the West - not just, say, against black people. And the patriarchy oppresses not only women, but people who do not conform to the gender binary as well. It also hurts men in certain ways.

No one is saying this. But cultural prejudices, institutionalized bias, systemic discrimination, etc, are all still things, and thoroughly interconnected.

Of course no one is born racist or sexist. But, a white person who grows up in and is conditioned to their status within a society in which whites are on top will retain certain internal prejudices and such, whether they are blatant and conscious or not. It is our responsibility to recognize them and work toward their elimination.

Thanks for the in-depth answer to my post.

If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

Feminist version of the Illuminati.

[The Alexanderians]

Patriarchy is the fictional international male boogeyman.

It allows feminists to buy into the Marxist oppressor/oppressed narrative so they don't have to accept any personal responsibility for their own lives and empowers them to act in shitty ways.

Huh, I never knew modern feminism was rooted in critique of political economy though the lens of historical materialism.

Marxist sociology isn't the same though it is related to the marxist economics.

[Novas Arcanum]

This is strange

[The Alexanderians]

This is strange

Life is strange

What about this in particular is strange?

[Nevada Communes]

Thanks for the in-depth answer to my post.

If it's not too off-topic, what exactly is the Patriarchy? I've heard the term a lot.

Feminist version of the Illuminati.

I don't think you understand where the patriarchy lies in the feminist understanding of the world.

You seem to think feminists regard the patriarchy as some evil malevolent force that insidiously conspires against womankind with sadistic intention. Most feminists - radfems included - do not actually believe this.

Feminists tend to regard patriarchy as simply existing. Not inherently as anybody's fault persey - though feminists do expect men to educate themselves on how to undermine it - but instead manifesting itself as a set of cultural norms, beliefs, and institutions that all intersect to implicitly undermine the value of women in all aspects of their lives. The patriarchy isn't some monolithic juggernaut; it's just the result of centuries of Judeo-Christian and pre-modern misogyny.

[Asherahan]

Here is a real question:

I am a Greek Caucasian white male and my people were serfs and slaves to the Ottoman turks for a better part of 400 years so if I go to America and meet a black lives matter group and they start yelling of white privilege what should I do?

[Albrenia]

Feminist version of the Illuminati.

I don't think you understand where the patriarchy lies in the feminist understanding of the world.

You seem to think feminists regard the patriarchy as some evil malevolent force that insidiously conspires against womankind with sadistic intention. Most feminists - radfems included - do not actually believe this.

Feminists tend to regard patriarchy as simply existing. Not inherently as anybody's fault persey - though feminists do expect men to educate themselves on how to undermine it - but instead manifesting itself as a set of cultural norms, beliefs, and institutions that all intersect to implicitly undermine the value of women in all aspects of their lives. The patriarchy isn't some monolithic juggernaut; it's just the result of centuries of Judeo-Christian and pre-modern misogyny.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but isn't it a little unfair to expect people (in this case men) to educate themselves and change an alleged part of their culture of which they mostly have no idea?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Here is a real question:

I am a Greek Caucasian white male and my people were serfs and slaves to the Ottoman turks for a better part of 400 years so if I go to America and meet a black lives matter group and they start yelling of white privilege what should I do?

Ignore them.

[Donut section]

I don't think you understand where the patriarchy lies in the feminist understanding of the world.

You seem to think feminists regard the patriarchy as some evil malevolent force that insidiously conspires against womankind with sadistic intention. Most feminists - radfems included - do not actually believe this.

Feminists tend to regard patriarchy as simply existing. Not inherently as anybody's fault persey - though feminists do expect men to educate themselves on how to undermine it - but instead manifesting itself as a set of cultural norms, beliefs, and institutions that all intersect to implicitly undermine the value of women in all aspects of their lives. The patriarchy isn't some monolithic juggernaut; it's just the result of centuries of Judeo-Christian and pre-modern misogyny.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but isn't it a little unfair to expect people (in this case men) to educate themselves and change an alleged part of their culture of which they mostly have no idea?

Men have "privilege". So they don't get any consideration.

As I said, it's so that feminists can claim anything they want, because they are always the victim.

[Pilarcraft]

I don't think you understand where the patriarchy lies in the feminist understanding of the world.

You seem to think feminists regard the patriarchy as some evil malevolent force that insidiously conspires against womankind with sadistic intention. Most feminists - radfems included - do not actually believe this.

Feminists tend to regard patriarchy as simply existing. Not inherently as anybody's fault persey - though feminists do expect men to educate themselves on how to undermine it - but instead manifesting itself as a set of cultural norms, beliefs, and institutions that all intersect to implicitly undermine the value of women in all aspects of their lives. The patriarchy isn't some monolithic juggernaut; it's just the result of centuries of Judeo-Christian and pre-modern misogyny.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but isn't it a little unfair to expect people (in this case men) to educate themselves and change an alleged part of their culture of which they mostly have no idea?

to be fair, the answer to that question (at least, from the POV of a feminist) would be sometihng like how you deal with someone who has an illness he himself did nothing to get.
You educate them, so that their unintentional illness does not affect everyone else.
again, as I'm not exactly a feminist I wouldn't know. find one and ask

[Bardarus]

It's ok to be a white Christian male as far as i know, just stay away from radical Liberals or proud Social Justice Warriors or any other type of radical hippie.