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Is it though?

It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Total votes : 811

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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:31 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:This is hilarious! :rofl:
Liberalism (Note for Americans and other Anglophones: Freedom =/= Liberalism) is a fundamentally Capitalist ideology, it values property-rights and presents rights as theoretical concepts without advocating for their enforcement by society.
You might be talking about Social Libertarianism, well, that on the other hand is indeed compatible with Socialism and Communism.

:eyebrow: liberalism is the idea to push freedoms to its fullest potential in a capilist society. Social liberalism is the same, but is economically left.

Liberalism is an ideology created by 18th century utilitarians such as Jeremy Bentham and Adam Smith- it is likely to be originated in the English Revolution of 1640 and by, well, Liberal "vanguard" John Locke.
The Liberal ideology is based on various axioms, it's first- is the linear advancement of society towards a utopian future (A widely accepted idea during the Enlightenment period), second is that the European Mode of Production and its' development is the natural result of the progress of history and thus is the rejection of the undesirable "primitive" Modes of Production that had a different idea regarding property, the role of the economy, the goal of the economy, as well as the relation between a person and their state. (You can see that in it's most extreme form in Randian Objectivism, this idea led to the justification of the Native American genocide for example). Third is the subjectivity of political thought- all political thought is to be accepted as equally true and worthy or representation AS LONG AS they are willing to conform to the basic political and social structure of a Liberal society. (This is, for example, the reason that Hitler was initially seen by the West as a "lesser of two evils" compared to the threat of Communism, he didn't oppose the Capitalist system and Private Propety and Class Monopolism).

Thus- Liberalism is inherently Capitalist in nature, it offers you freedom and plurality AS LONG AS you conform to its' view of property and political structure. I'd advice you to read the works of Max Horkheimer for a far more descriptive opinion.

And also- that Freedom =/= Liberalism. Social Freedom which isn't limited to the borders defined by Liberalism is called Libertarianism (Although now the term is being butchered by pseudo-Randians to describe their political platform, especially in the US).
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:32 am

Vassenor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gotta give em props though because it's worked. This one was a stroke of genius.


In what way has it worked?


The plethora of people online and at universities losing their shit over the statement and saying things like "it's not okay to be white" have given the far right more than a small amount of recruitment material. Which was the entire point of the campaign, to redpill more white people.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:33 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what way has it worked?


The plethora of people online and at universities losing their shit over the statement and saying things like "it's not okay to be white" have given the far right more than a small amount of recruitment material. Which was the entire point of the campaign, to redpill more white people.

This. It was a trap and people fell into it spectacularly.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:34 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Now that doesn't give her the write to commit hat theft. :p

Did you guse the wrong right/write on purpose? Cuz I don't get the joke :meh:
Also, that doesn't give him the right to tell her to go back to Mexico - oh wait, hate speech is now 'freedom of speech' :roll: :eyebrow: >:(

Nah, it was goddamn auto correct.

Freedom of speech, a beautiful thing that is used in the awful ways. To be fair, she did say he supported genocide.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what way has it worked?


The plethora of people online and at universities losing their shit over the statement and saying things like "it's not okay to be white" have given the far right more than a small amount of recruitment material. Which was the entire point of the campaign, to redpill more white people.


[citation needed]
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:36 am

Vassenor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The plethora of people online and at universities losing their shit over the statement and saying things like "it's not okay to be white" have given the far right more than a small amount of recruitment material. Which was the entire point of the campaign, to redpill more white people.


[citation needed]


To what fucking part? At least try and make your shitposting decent.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The plethora of people online and at universities losing their shit over the statement and saying things like "it's not okay to be white" have given the far right more than a small amount of recruitment material. Which was the entire point of the campaign, to redpill more white people.


[citation needed]

Check the replies here. They seemed pissed and check the poll, since anyone who said this campaign is not ok is almost always pissed.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:39 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

Check the replies here. They seemed pissed and check the poll, since anyone who said this campaign is not ok is almost always pissed.


This was the most appropriate reply.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:42 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

Check the replies here. They seemed pissed and check the poll, since anyone who said this campaign is not ok is almost always pissed.


Pretty sure this site isn't even remotely close to a representative sample.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Check the replies here. They seemed pissed and check the poll, since anyone who said this campaign is not ok is almost always pissed.


Pretty sure this site isn't even remotely close to a representative sample.

Then I guess it's ok to have this campaign since no ones getting pissed off by this.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:48 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure this site isn't even remotely close to a representative sample.

Then I guess it's ok to have this campaign since no ones getting pissed off by this.

Nobody said they can't. It's just a little too obvious that it's about baiting minorities and progressives.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:49 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Then I guess it's ok to have this campaign since no ones getting pissed off by this.

Nobody said they can't. It's just a little too obvious that it's about baiting minorities and progressives.

True, I'm trying to push Vass to chose a side though and get his opinion shhhhhhh
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:52 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:A 4chan shitcampaign. Hardly a surprise.


Gotta give em props though because it's worked. This one was a stroke of genius.

Explain exactly how it worked. Use concrete examples.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:00 am

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Racist co-opting of language? Damn. That's such a racist thing to say.



Against who? Nazis?


I'm making fun of the phrase "racist co-opting of language" - it's sounds extremely whiny.


Vassenor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gotta give em props though because it's worked. This one was a stroke of genius.


In what way has it worked?


Take a look at the poll on NSG, a Liberal Website. 62% think the campaign is good. The extreme majority of the posts complaining against it, had some variation of "but it's 4chan, ergo it sucks!" in the posts.
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:09 am

If anyone thinks it's not okay to be white (or black, or brown, or yellow, or any combination), I would say that they are racist.

People looking for hidden messages, backward masking on recordings, etcetera, are looking to justify their own racial beliefs/phobias.

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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:15 am

WhatsamattaU wrote:If anyone thinks it's not okay to be white (or black, or brown, or yellow, or any combination), I would say that they are racist.

People looking for hidden messages, backward masking on recordings, etcetera, are looking to justify their own racial beliefs/phobias.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:52 am

WhatsamattaU wrote:If anyone thinks it's not okay to be white (or black, or brown, or yellow, or any combination), I would say that they are racist.

People looking for hidden messages, backward masking on recordings, etcetera, are looking to justify their own racial beliefs/phobias.

Is it hidden if they say it out loud?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:56 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:If anyone thinks it's not okay to be white (or black, or brown, or yellow, or any combination), I would say that they are racist.

People looking for hidden messages, backward masking on recordings, etcetera, are looking to justify their own racial beliefs/phobias.

Is it hidden if they say it out loud?

My question is why do you make yourself angry at this? You are falling for the troll's trap.
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Postby Aellex » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:56 am

Petrasylvania wrote:Nobody said they can't. It's just a little too obvious that it's about baiting minorities and progressives.

If saying that "It's okay to be white" is sufficient to "bait" minorities and """progressives""", then the problem lies probably with the aforementioned people.
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Postby Aellex » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:58 am

Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

You mean, apart from this entire fucking thread and all the various example in universities and on social medias that were reported on abundantly?

Also, bottoms up!
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:59 am

Aellex wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Nobody said they can't. It's just a little too obvious that it's about baiting minorities and progressives.

If saying that "It's okay to be white" is sufficient to "bait" minorities and """progressives""", then the problem lies probably with the aforementioned people.

"It's okay being white" implies that whites were historically oppressed and shamed in the United States, which obviously didn't happen. It's absurd and baity like "It's okay being a millionaire".
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:01 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Aellex wrote:If saying that "It's okay to be white" is sufficient to "bait" minorities and """progressives""", then the problem lies probably with the aforementioned people.

"It's okay being white" implies that whites were historically oppressed and shamed in the United States, which obviously didn't happen. It's absurd and baity like "It's okay being a millionaire".


Why does historically matter compared to presently?
How long does it have to happen before it becomes historically in your opinion?
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Postby Aellex » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:01 am

Petrasylvania wrote:"It's okay being white" implies that whites were historically oppressed and shamed in the United States, which obviously didn't happen. It's absurd and baity like "It's okay being a millionaire".

No. It implies that it's okay to be white. That is all.
Stop searching for deeper meanings that are not there to justify your racism.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:03 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Aellex wrote:If saying that "It's okay to be white" is sufficient to "bait" minorities and """progressives""", then the problem lies probably with the aforementioned people.

"It's okay being white" implies that whites were historically oppressed and shamed in the United States, which obviously didn't happen. It's absurd and baity like "It's okay being a millionaire".

No, it only implies that it's okay to be white, much like "it's okay to be a millionaire" only implies that it's okay to have a million or more dollars.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:03 am

Aellex wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:"It's okay being white" implies that whites were historically oppressed and shamed in the United States, which obviously didn't happen. It's absurd and baity like "It's okay being a millionaire".

No. It implies that it's okay to be white. That is all.
Stop searching for deeper meanings that are not there to justify your racism.

Stop pretending as if the intent (Which wasn't really hidden) and the people behind those words don't matter.
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