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It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:44 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?

hmmm... do the Irish count?
I mean, it's not like there's a unified white race or something XD
(But, in Africa, there have been a few examples this last, what, ten or so years. and in Middle East too, I suppose)


Yes but I was talking about American residents because this is an America-centric campaign.
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Postby The Hiberno-Scottish Republic » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:44 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?

hmmm... do the Irish count?
I mean, it's not like there's a unified white race or something XD
(But, in Africa, there have been a few examples this last, what, ten or so years. and in Middle East too, I suppose)

The Irish weren't members of America's conceptions of whiteness at the time. America imported a ton of heavy xenophobia and stereotypes against the Irish from the UK.

Also, what happens in South Africa or Zimbabwe happened in South Africa or Zimbabwe. It's irrelevant to discussions of racial oppression in the West.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:49 am

Vassenor wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:hmmm... do the Irish count?
I mean, it's not like there's a unified white race or something XD
(But, in Africa, there have been a few examples this last, what, ten or so years. and in Middle East too, I suppose)


Yes but I was talking about American residents because this is an America-centric campaign.

yeah. if our target is the West, I heavily doubt that at any given time, the people that were considered white (at that time, as pointed out), have ever been oppressed. on the grounds of their ethnicity, at least.
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Postby North Creeper » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:52 am

This is stupid. The same thing happened to Harvard, and they took them down because they have a ‘ diverse student body’ and ‘racism is not tolerated’. When will people realize that’s All Lives Matter?

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Postby Alba-Nord » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:54 am

I CANNOT believe what I’m seeing. The White privilege in this threat is so relevant!

The black lives matter campaign is in place because in America, their race is suppressed by the police but also because everyday is a struggle.

I’m white and I wish I wasn’t, not because I experience anti-white racism, but because I don’t! Many white people will have no idea what it’s like, and if you’re a white straight male, you’ll have no clue what it feels like to be oppressed.

So tell me why anyone needs a ‘It’s okay to be white’ campaign when it isn’t anywhere near the oppression that black or Latin-American or even Asians face on a DAILY basis.

I’m not trying to cause offence here, but Jesus Christ. Open your eyes.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:55 am

North Creeper wrote:This is stupid. The same thing happened to Harvard, and they took them down because they have a ‘ diverse student body’ and ‘racism is not tolerated’. When will people realize that’s All Lives Matter?

"All Lives Matter" is little more than a cheap attempt to dismiss the legitimacy of black concerns over police abuse and discrimination.
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Postby Alba-Nord » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:01 am

Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?


There has NEVER been any Anti-White or White suppression in human history.

Some people confuse white suppression with equal ethnic rights.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:01 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
North Creeper wrote:This is stupid. The same thing happened to Harvard, and they took them down because they have a ‘ diverse student body’ and ‘racism is not tolerated’. When will people realize that’s All Lives Matter?

"All Lives Matter" is little more than a cheap attempt to dismiss the legitimacy of black concerns over police abuse and discrimination.

seriously. the sentence "all lives matter" is as ridiculous as "It's okay to be White"
Either the people coming up with these 'slogans' don't have any idea what the actual legitimate ideologies are about, or it's a coercive method of tricking "normies" into becoming vassals for nazis. considering the fact that the people coming up with these slogans pretty much admit that it's the second...
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:03 am

Alba-Nord wrote:I CANNOT believe what I’m seeing. The White privilege in this threat is so relevant!

The black lives matter campaign is in place because in America, their race is suppressed by the police but also because everyday is a struggle.

I’m white and I wish I wasn’t, not because I experience anti-white racism, but because I don’t! Many white people will have no idea what it’s like, and if you’re a white straight male, you’ll have no clue what it feels like to be oppressed.

So tell me why anyone needs a ‘It’s okay to be white’ campaign when it isn’t anywhere near the oppression that black or Latin-American or even Asians face on a DAILY basis.

I’m not trying to cause offence here, but Jesus Christ. Open your eyes.


I give this a 7/10, not bad but it could use improvement.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:05 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:"All Lives Matter" is little more than a cheap attempt to dismiss the legitimacy of black concerns over police abuse and discrimination.

seriously. the sentence "all lives matter" is as ridiculous as "It's okay to be White"
Either the people coming up with these 'slogans' don't have any idea what the actual legitimate ideologies are about, or it's a coercive method of tricking "normies" into becoming vassals for nazis. considering the fact that the people coming up with these slogans pretty much admit that it's the second...


And you know this how? Also there’s no such thing as nazis.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am

Alba-Nord wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?


There has NEVER been any Anti-White or White suppression in human history.

Some people confuse white suppression with equal ethnic rights.


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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am

Alba-Nord wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?


There has NEVER been any Anti-White or White suppression in human history.

Some people confuse white suppression with equal ethnic rights.

in the history of the west, maybe.
in human history? you'd be surprised.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:07 am

Alba-Nord wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?


There has NEVER been any Anti-White or White suppression in human history.

Some people confuse white suppression with equal ethnic rights.


Uhm... I'd advise you to go read up on what happened in Zimbabwe in the 80s.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:08 am

Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?


Your question presupposes that intersectionality is false.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:08 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:seriously. the sentence "all lives matter" is as ridiculous as "It's okay to be White"
Either the people coming up with these 'slogans' don't have any idea what the actual legitimate ideologies are about, or it's a coercive method of tricking "normies" into becoming vassals for nazis. considering the fact that the people coming up with these slogans pretty much admit that it's the second...


And you know this how? Also there’s no such thing as nazis.


...So what do you call all those people throwing out Roman salutes, covering themselves in Swastika tattoos and screaming about how the Jews are trying to replace them?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:08 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?


Your question presupposes that intersectionality is false.


In what way?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:09 am

Vassenor wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
And you know this how? Also there’s no such thing as nazis.


...So what do you call all those people throwing out Roman salutes, covering themselves in Swastika tattoos and screaming about how the Jews are trying to replace them?

I'm guessing "some very fine people"
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Your question presupposes that intersectionality is false.


In what way?


Systematic oppression is never a function of a single dimension of one's identity, such as ethnicity. Identity is intersectional. With that, the extent of oppression one faces in life will be determined intersectionally.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:13 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what way?


Systematic oppression is never a function of a single dimension of one's identity, such as ethnicity. Identity is intersectional. With that, the extent of oppression one faces in life will be determined intersectionally.


I'm starting to think you're just throwing jargon into your posts for the sake of it now.
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Postby The Hiberno-Scottish Republic » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:16 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what way?


Systematic oppression is never a function of a single dimension of one's identity, such as ethnicity. Identity is intersectional. With that, the extent of oppression one faces in life will be determined intersectionally.

Yeah, I'm a white transgender woman who faces oppression. You're not using that term correctly.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:17 am

The Hiberno-Scottish Republic wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Systematic oppression is never a function of a single dimension of one's identity, such as ethnicity. Identity is intersectional. With that, the extent of oppression one faces in life will be determined intersectionally.

Yeah, I'm a white transgender woman who faces oppression. You're not using that term correctly.


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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:18 am

Vassenor wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Systematic oppression is never a function of a single dimension of one's identity, such as ethnicity. Identity is intersectional. With that, the extent of oppression one faces in life will be determined intersectionally.


I'm starting to think you're just throwing jargon into your posts for the sake of it now.


"Intersectionality" is not jargon; it is a fundamental concept in contemporary social justice research. I'm bringing the idea up out of necessity, because understanding intersectionality is a requisite for understanding how identity actually works.

Additionally, I am not just using words for the sake of it. I have used my terms consistently. I already defined intersectionality in an earlier response to you:

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Vassenor wrote:What's that supposed to mean in this context?


Intersectionality is a widely held and popular doctrine in contemporary social justice research/rhetoric; according to intersectionality, we must look at identity as a dynamic interaction of race, gender, sexuality, class, etc, as a whole, rather than breaking them down into their constituent parts. As I stated earlier, the advent of social justice research's/rhetoric criticism of "white feminism" is a perfect illustration of how intersectionality works out in practice. One time at UCSC, when protestors were blocking cars from traveling on the roads, one of the drivers opened her window to tell the protestors that she was a feminist too, so they shouldn't be blocking her from traveling. They responded by saying "Fuck your white feminism!" (these women were black), implying that she, as a white woman, may understand the struggles of being a woman, but not a black woman. (When this lady responsed "Fuck your black feminism!", she was called a racist...go figure).


You are asking people if they have ever been oppressed solely on account of their race. Oppression never occurs on this basis because of intersectionality.
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Postby Collectivist Germania » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:19 am

Vassenor wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
And you know this how? Also there’s no such thing as nazis.


...So what do you call all those people throwing out Roman salutes, covering themselves in Swastika tattoos and screaming about how the Jews are trying to replace them?


I believe what they meant by "there's no such thing as Nazis" is that the term 'Nazi' is not a proper term in itself but a derogatory term invented by the press during the 1930s. Calling a National Socialist a Nazi and saying it's the proper term would be like saying 'Commie' or 'Pinko' is a proper term for a Communist.
As a National Socialist, I'm actually disgusted by the people you described, for many reasons. They have no real conviction in any belief of national brotherhood but are only concerned with using 'Nazism' as an edgy counter-culture and preserving their race, for the simple reason that it exists and that in their opinion it should continue to exist. No philosophy or science behind it.
Edit: To answer the thread, I don't have an issue with the posters but I think it's a distraction from other issues. Race will soon be long forgotten if and when the entire western world tanks.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:24 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I'm starting to think you're just throwing jargon into your posts for the sake of it now.


"Intersectionality" is not jargon; it is a fundamental concept in contemporary social justice research. I'm bringing the idea up out of necessity, because understanding intersectionality is a requisite for understanding how identity actually works.

Additionally, I am not just using words for the sake of it. I have used my terms consistently. I already defined intersectionality in an earlier response to you:

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Intersectionality is a widely held and popular doctrine in contemporary social justice research/rhetoric; according to intersectionality, we must look at identity as a dynamic interaction of race, gender, sexuality, class, etc, as a whole, rather than breaking them down into their constituent parts. As I stated earlier, the advent of social justice research's/rhetoric criticism of "white feminism" is a perfect illustration of how intersectionality works out in practice. One time at UCSC, when protestors were blocking cars from traveling on the roads, one of the drivers opened her window to tell the protestors that she was a feminist too, so they shouldn't be blocking her from traveling. They responded by saying "Fuck your white feminism!" (these women were black), implying that she, as a white woman, may understand the struggles of being a woman, but not a black woman. (When this lady responsed "Fuck your black feminism!", she was called a racist...go figure).


You are asking people if they have ever been oppressed solely on account of their race. Oppression never occurs on this basis because of intersectionality.


...You're going to need a bigger shovel if you keep trying to cram words into my mouth. But please, show me where I asked if anyone was oppressed solely on account of their ethnicity.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:27 am

Vassenor wrote:...You're going to need a bigger shovel if you keep trying to cram words into my mouth. But please, show me where I asked if anyone was oppressed solely on account of their ethnicity.


Right here:

Vassenor wrote:Come to think of it has anyone demonstrated actual systemic oppression against white Americans on the grounds of their ethnicity yet?
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