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Is it though?

It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:36 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Dogs Are People Too

If they were, that means dogs can suck. Dogs cannot, in fact, suck. That is scientific fact.

Look man, you gotta give people more of a hint on what you mean, cause I went the opposite direction with the word "suck" and now I've gotta deal with that shit all night.
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Postby Tananat » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:36 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:The statement should not be controversial, but is. That's somewhat revealing for both phrases.

The statement is controversial because of the intent behind it.

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Postby Uiiop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:36 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Dogs Are People Too

If they were, that means dogs can suck. Dogs cannot, in fact, suck. That is scientific fact.

Does that mean dogs are gods? :eek:
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:37 am

Uiiop wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:If they were, that means dogs can suck. Dogs cannot, in fact, suck. That is scientific fact.

Does that mean dogs are gods? :eek:

Quit trying to trick people into thinking you're cool again Anubis.
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Postby Magnus Germania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:38 am

Tananat wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The statement should not be controversial, but is. That's somewhat revealing for both phrases.

The statement is controversial because of the intent behind it.

It's controversial because it clearly states a simple, true statement, that it is okay to be white. This in turn has thrown the media into a frenzy, and has finally revealed their true colors on race: That it is not okay to be white.
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Postby Herador » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:39 am

Magnus Germania wrote:
Tananat wrote:The statement is controversial because of the intent behind it.

It's controversial because it clearly states a simple, true statement, that it is okay to be white. This in turn has thrown the media into a frenzy, and has finally revealed their true colors on race: That it is not okay to be white.

Can we all just collectively agree to call the dog whistle what it is and move on from there, all this pretending it's nothing else but the slogan is getting old.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:39 am

Tananat wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The statement should not be controversial, but is. That's somewhat revealing for both phrases.

The statement is controversial because of the intent behind it.


Alleging intent behind these kind of things has been the modus operandi of the progressive left for a while and has been used to ignore and dismiss the mens rights movement as well as white advocacy.

I can only conclude your intent for pretending there's nefarious intent behind the words "It's okay to be white" is that you want white genocide.

See how useless that is to discussion?
That's you. That's how you sound.

Spamming in the media that the intent behind advocacy of mens issues is mens supremacy has prevented much progress on that front and led to a multitude of unnecessary rapes, abuses, imprisonments, etc, continuing unabated.

Why the hell should we accept the progressive evaluation on white peoples advocacy based on alleging nefarious intent, when it's clear they've been so wrong before?
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:39 am

Magnus Germania wrote:
Tananat wrote:The statement is controversial because of the intent behind it.

It's controversial because it clearly states a simple, true statement, that it is okay to be white. This in turn has thrown the media into a frenzy, and has finally revealed their true colors on race: That it is not okay to be white.

Rather because it's such an obviously true statement that anyone loudly proclaiming is highly likely to mean something more than just that statement.

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Postby Tananat » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:41 am

Magnus Germania wrote:
Tananat wrote:The statement is controversial because of the intent behind it.

It's controversial because it clearly states a simple, true statement, that it is okay to be white. This in turn has thrown the media into a frenzy, and has finally revealed their true colors on race: That it is not okay to be white.

The intent behind the campaign is to cause division and controversy because 'the left' needs triggering or something twatty like that. It is indeed ok to be white, but y'know, that's not the point of this campaign and never was.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:42 am

Alvecia wrote:
Magnus Germania wrote:It's controversial because it clearly states a simple, true statement, that it is okay to be white. This in turn has thrown the media into a frenzy, and has finally revealed their true colors on race: That it is not okay to be white.

Rather because it's such an obviously true statement that anyone loudly proclaiming is highly likely to mean something more than just that statement.


Is the same true of black lives matter, or do you have some explanation for how that's different?
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:43 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Rather because it's such an obviously true statement that anyone loudly proclaiming is highly likely to mean something more than just that statement.


Is the same true of black lives matter, or do you have some explanation for how that's different?

Historically, black lives haven't mattered as much.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:44 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Is the same true of black lives matter, or do you have some explanation for how that's different?

Historically, black lives haven't mattered as much.


I'm sure you'll be joining the anti-tsarist revolution any day now.

Apparently, many people don't understand the effect the passage of time has on politics.

Present advocacy should be based on present problems.

CURRENTLY, there is an attitude of anti-white sentiment in the media. That's the thing this is protesting.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Tesernia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:45 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Historically, black lives haven't mattered as much.


I'm sure you'll be joining the anti-tsarist revolution any day now.

Apparently, many people don't understand the effect the passage of time has on politics.

What the fuck are you talking about Ostro, Carthage needs to be destroyed.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:45 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Historically, black lives haven't mattered as much.


I'm sure you'll be joining the anti-tsarist revolution any day now.

Apparently, many people don't understand the effect the passage of time has on politics.

No need to be obtuse, you know what I mean

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:46 am

Tesernia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm sure you'll be joining the anti-tsarist revolution any day now.

Apparently, many people don't understand the effect the passage of time has on politics.

What the fuck are you talking about Ostro, Carthage needs to be destroyed.


"We're not antiquated reactionaries clinging to a debunked and irrelevant ideology, here, let me focus entirely on shit that's already happened and not talk about the present day and the people living in it."
-"Muh history" progressives.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:46 am

Tesernia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm sure you'll be joining the anti-tsarist revolution any day now.

Apparently, many people don't understand the effect the passage of time has on politics.

What the fuck are you talking about Ostro, Carthage needs to be destroyed.


I for one fully agree with this statement.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:46 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm sure you'll be joining the anti-tsarist revolution any day now.

Apparently, many people don't understand the effect the passage of time has on politics.

No need to be obtuse, you know what I mean


No, I really don't. I don't see how it's relevant.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:47 am

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:48 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Alvecia wrote:No need to be obtuse, you know what I mean


No, I really don't. I don't see how it's relevant.

You're purposefuly obfuscating the issue by getting hung up on the word historically. Seconds ago is still in the past.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:49 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
No, I really don't. I don't see how it's relevant.

You're purposefuly obfuscating the issue by getting hung up on the word historically. Seconds ago is still in the past.


Okay.
And by that standard, historically, there has been an attitude and rhetoric in popular culture that white people aren't okay.

For instance, see the "Having white babies is racist" professor.

So what's the difference between the two statements black lives matter, and being white is okay?
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby United Christian » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:50 am

It's very important that we look at the overall picture, Black Lives Matter was specifically created to combat hundreds of years of racial inequality created by white people who continue to think they are above us and others. However, It's Okay To Be White, in reality, is an outcry from centrist and conservative whites who can feel their privilege slipping away. We've seen this happen with Jim Crow, Racial Riots after Jim Crow and here we are again today. White People feel their systematic oppression of others and the privilege they've enjoyed slipping away so their reaction, to create a campaign alleging social injustice against their race when in reality the very campaign is racist because it once again disenfranchises minorities especially black people.

Black Lives Matter: Fight hundreds of years of racial injustice.
It's Okay To Be White: Fight... two years of racial isolation caused by groups created to combat our systematic oppression.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:51 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Alvecia wrote:You're purposefuly obfuscating the issue by getting hung up on the word historically. Seconds ago is still in the past.


Okay.
And by that standard, historically, there has been an attitude and rhetoric in popular culture that white people aren't okay.

For instance, see the "Having white babies is racist" professor.

So what's the difference between the two?

Trying to claim that white people have had it as bad as blacks in the west to the same degree is laughable and dishonest.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:51 am

United Christian wrote:It's very important that we look at the overall picture, Black Lives Matter was specifically created to combat hundreds of years of racial inequality created by white people who continue to think they are above us and others. However, It's Okay To Be White, in reality, is an outcry from centrist and conservative whites who can feel their privilege slipping away. We've seen this happen with Jim Crow, Racial Riots after Jim Crow and here we are again today. White People feel their systematic oppression of others and the privilege they've enjoyed slipping away so their reaction, to create a campaign alleging social injustice against their race when in reality the very campaign is racist because it once again disenfranchises minorities especially black people.

Black Lives Matter: Fight hundreds of years of racial injustice.
It's Okay To Be White: Fight... two years of racial isolation caused by groups created to combat our systematic oppression.


"Racial isolation."

You mean making them the outgroup.

Your argument boils down to "Racism against other races combats their racism."
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:52 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Okay.
And by that standard, historically, there has been an attitude and rhetoric in popular culture that white people aren't okay.

For instance, see the "Having white babies is racist" professor.

So what's the difference between the two?

Trying to claim that white people have had it as bad as blacks in the west to the same degree is laughable and dishonest.


Someone with a chest infection doesn't have it as bad as someone with lung cancer, but hordes of cancer advocates screeching the former needs no medical attention and wasn't "Historically ill" like the cancer survivor had been 6 months ago would still be a detriment to society.

They also risk the infection getting worse and causing pneumonia, or, fucking cancer.

Progressive nonsense is analogous to that behavior.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:54 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Cedoria wrote:
Actually, you can.

If the circumstances behind the use of one slogan are different, then the other slogan may get a less receptive or welcoming audience, and rightly so.

We all know the reason behind the Black Lives Matter slogan, whether one agrees with it's objectives or the message it sends. White Lives Matter is nothing more than reactionaries trying (and failing) to be edgy and rile people up, not an attempted response.


Anybody who thinks it's actually about racism of any kind needs their head examined.


White Lives Matter might be reactionary and based on opposition to BLM, but All Lives Matter is based in more practical objections, including concerns about focus.
(Stop shooting black people V Let's demilitarize the police.)

Similarly, It's Ok To Be White is based on combating anti-white sentiments and prejudice.

Which has not yet been proven to be an actual issue beyond the minds of some projecting racists to be something which has an actual significant need for addressing.

The day whites in America are subject to employment discrimination practices and the like, or are fifteen times more likely than another ethnicity to be stopped by police, then, I'll say it's a problem. Until then, it's just pointless whining by losers trying to sound edgy.
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