Creating a Sovereign city (What would your's be like?)

[Greater Redosia]

We could always form some good ol peasant republic, form it in the breadbasket states. A Farmers' Republic!

Farmers of the world unite and blockade the cities?

...maybe

[The Two Jerseys]

Argument of that song: we have guns and cannon. Therefore, we are better.

Well

They're not wrong

Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.

[Gig em Aggies]

Well

They're not wrong

Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.

Ahem beg your pardon Mr. Browning and Mr. Gatling said to The Two Jerseys

[The Two Jerseys]

Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.

Ahem beg your pardon Mr. Browning and Mr. Gatling said to The Two Jerseys

Hey, take it up with Hilaire Belloc!

[Gig em Aggies]

Ahem beg your pardon Mr. Browning and Mr. Gatling said to The Two Jerseys

Hey, take it up with Hilaire Belloc!

What does he want on his tombstone?

[The Two Jerseys]

Hey, take it up with Hilaire Belloc!

What does he want on his tombstone?

Pepperoni.

[Republic of Keshiland]

I just fiqured out a way to prevent anyone from being able to appeal to the state regional or federal court. The city will have 2 court systems. Basic level and appeals. Those who get accepted to the court of appeals would be required to sign away there right to repeal further and that the courts ruling is final. That way the laws would never risk being overturned.

The court would simply say, don't like it in KeshiVille You are free to leave

[Senyosu]

-casually copies Singapore-

-accidentally turns it into Kowloon Walled City MkII Electric Boogaloo-

[Len Hyet]

I just fiqured out a way to prevent anyone from being able to appeal to the state regional or federal court.

I will bet you any sum of money that you like that you haven't.

The city will have 2 court systems. Basic level and appeals.

Insert sound trombone sound here.

Municipal courts only have jurisdiction over, dun dun dun, municipal matters! So your local court might very well be able to handle a traffic ticket or noise ordinance violation, but something like say, murder has to be handled by the court with jurisdiction - the State court.

Those who get accepted to the court of appeals would be required to sign away there right to repeal further and that the courts ruling is final. That way the laws would never risk being overturned.

The court would simply say, don't like it in KeshiVille You are free to leave

And then they will appeal anyways, the State Judge would laugh your ridiculously illegal contract out of court, and you would not only lose the case but almost certainly be liable for double or treble damages.

[Republic of Keshiland]

Municipal courts only have jurisdiction over, dun dun dun, municipal matters! So your local court might very well be able to handle a traffic ticket or noise ordinance violation, but something like say, murder has to be handled by the court with jurisdiction - the State court.

Well, all the crimes that would be enforced in the city would have municipal legislation like a murder law passed by the legislature. This year some very large precedents have been set. 1. That cities and states are not required to enforce federal law since the federal government is not allowed to punish the state/city. The 2nd was that cities and states are allowed to enter international agreements with other nation i.e. the Paris agreement.

[Katganistan]

Yeah they cared cause that was half the country and 1861.

Any thoughts yet on where you'll get the millions and millions of dollars necessary to build/buy this sovereign city?

And water to drink, electricity, food and other resources?

[Katganistan]

He really doesn't understand history does he GM? I mean even of the Conch Republic were a real nation it would be mighty poor by now

Probaby not, there is a lot of money in the keys. It would make a great place for offshoring wealth

The hurricane this past summer kicked the shit out of the keys. Where would they be without FEMA?

Answer: in Puerto Rico. (no it's not a joke, those folks still lack water and electricity two months later. And they, too, are Americans.)

[Katganistan]

I just fiqured out a way to prevent anyone from being able to appeal to the state regional or federal court. The city will have 2 court systems. Basic level and appeals. Those who get accepted to the court of appeals would be required to sign away there right to repeal further and that the courts ruling is final. That way the laws would never risk being overturned.

The court would simply say, don't like it in KeshiVille You are free to leave

And the National Guard would say, "Tanks, but no thanks."

[Grays Harbor]

Don't forget to raise Zombie Lincoln, Zombie General Lee, oh and Zombie Sherman trifecta we have attained.

Just make sure that Zombie Sherman doesn't reach Atlanta

In the suburb of Atlanta I live in, the city museum men's room has his picture in all the urinals. That's how popular Sherman is, still, down here.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I just fiqured out a way to prevent anyone from being able to appeal to the state regional or federal court. The city will have 2 court systems. Basic level and appeals. Those who get accepted to the court of appeals would be required to sign away there right to repeal further and that the courts ruling is final. That way the laws would never risk being overturned.

The court would simply say, don't like it in KeshiVille You are free to leave

Not legal.

[Len Hyet]

Municipal courts only have jurisdiction over, dun dun dun, municipal matters! So your local court might very well be able to handle a traffic ticket or noise ordinance violation, but something like say, murder has to be handled by the court with jurisdiction - the State court.

Well, all the crimes that would be enforced in the city would have municipal legislation like a murder law passed by the legislature. This year some very large precedents have been set. 1. That cities and states are not required to enforce federal law since the federal government is not allowed to punish the state/city. The 2nd was that cities and states are allowed to enter international agreements with other nation i.e. the Paris agreement.

Okay so;

1. Cities are required to enforce State law. That's not up for debate. That's a well established fact.

2. Neither cities nor states are permitted to enter into international treaties. They are allowed to abide by them, which is what they're doing with the Paris Agreement, but they are not bound by it because they do not have the standing to sign it.

Neither of those two things you brought up have anything to do with the fact that you cannot waive your rights to trial or appeal. Contracts don't work like that.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[Gig em Aggies]

Well, all the crimes that would be enforced in the city would have municipal legislation like a murder law passed by the legislature. This year some very large precedents have been set. 1. That cities and states are not required to enforce federal law since the federal government is not allowed to punish the state/city. The 2nd was that cities and states are allowed to enter international agreements with other nation i.e. the Paris agreement.

Okay so;

1. Cities are required to enforce State law. That's not up for debate. That's a well established fact.

2. Neither cities nor states are permitted to enter into international treaties. They are allowed to abide by them, which is what they're doing with the Paris Agreement, but they are not bound by it because they do not have the standing to sign it.

Neither of those two things you brought up have anything to do with the fact that you cannot waive your rights to trial or appeal. Contracts don't work like that.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Jim Downey explains it better Len

https://youtu.be/p7w64fbqYQY

[Republic of Keshiland]

Well, all the crimes that would be enforced in the city would have municipal legislation like a murder law passed by the legislature. This year some very large precedents have been set. 1. That cities and states are not required to enforce federal law since the federal government is not allowed to punish the state/city. The 2nd was that cities and states are allowed to enter international agreements with other nation i.e. the Paris agreement.

Okay so;

1. Cities are required to enforce State law. That's not up for debate. That's a well established fact.

2. Neither cities nor states are permitted to enter into international treaties. They are allowed to abide by them, which is what they're doing with the Paris Agreement, but they are not bound by it because they do not have the standing to sign it.

Neither of those two things you brought up have anything to do with the fact that you cannot waive your rights to trial or appeal. Contracts don't work like that.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

1. If my police force and city guard have more people then the states police and national guard they can't inforce any of their laws in are city and if the federal government leaves us alone to bad so sad for that state i.e. wyoming

2. I honestly wonder what the federal government would do if a state or city created a trade agrement with say the EU with out their permission.

I am sure that the court especially a conservative court would set a precedent allowing contracts to over ride appeils

[The Two Jerseys]

Okay so;

1. Cities are required to enforce State law. That's not up for debate. That's a well established fact.

2. Neither cities nor states are permitted to enter into international treaties. They are allowed to abide by them, which is what they're doing with the Paris Agreement, but they are not bound by it because they do not have the standing to sign it.

Neither of those two things you brought up have anything to do with the fact that you cannot waive your rights to trial or appeal. Contracts don't work like that.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

1. If my police force and city guard have more people then the states police and national guard

Yeah, like that's gonna happen...

they can't inforce any of their laws in are city

Yes, they can.

and if the federal government leaves us alone to bad so sad for that state i.e. wyoming

Parlez-vous anglais?
Habla usted ingles?
Sprechen sie Englisch?

2. I honestly wonder what the federal government would do if a state or city created a trade agrement with say the EU with out their permission.

Best-case scenario for the city is that the feds would simply ignore what the city did and keep enforcing the customs laws as they've been doing.

Worst-case scenario for the city is that the mayor and city council are indicted for violating the Logan Act.

I am sure that the court especially a conservative court would set a precedent allowing contracts to over ride appeils

Do you base your legal opinions on anything other than stereotypes?

[Republic of Keshiland]

Yeah, like that's gonna happen...

It could

Yes, they can.

No they can't they could send in the NG and then instantly retreat when they are met with a bigger force with the same equipment. They would go away especially if we promised not to run candidates for election in the state elections.

Parlez-vous anglais?
Habla usted ingles?
Sprechen sie Englisch?

who?
who?
who?

Do you base your legal opinions on anything other than stereotypes?

You can call it a stereotype but they said coperations are people so I would only think they would let businesses have people sign away the right to appeal.

[The Two Jerseys]

Yeah, like that's gonna happen...

It could

Yeah, after the next ice age...

Yes, they can.

No they can't they could send in the NG and then instantly retreat when they are met with a bigger force with the same equipment.

So if the feds come to your city to enforce federal laws, your reaction is obstruction of justice at best and insurrection and rebellion at worst...

They would go away especially if we promised not to run candidates for election in the state elections.

No they won't, now that you're in a state of insurrection.

Parlez-vous anglais?
Habla usted ingles?
Sprechen sie Englisch?

who?
who?
who?

Dooooo youuuuuuu speeeeeeak Ennnnng-lishhhhh?

Do you base your legal opinions on anything other than stereotypes?

You can call it a stereotype but they said coperations are people so I would only think they would let businesses have people sign away the right to appeal.

So you base your legal opinions on stereotypes?

[Herador]

So if the feds come to your city to enforce federal laws, your reaction is obstruction of justice at best and insurrection and rebellion at worst...

Hey man, if it worked for David Koresh, Randy Weaver, Jim Jones, Russell Means, and Carter Camp, it can work for him!

...wait

[Washington Resistance Army]

So if the feds come to your city to enforce federal laws, your reaction is obstruction of justice at best and insurrection and rebellion at worst...

Hey man, if it worked for David Koresh, Randy Weaver, Jim Jones, Russell Means, and Carter Camp, it can work for him!

...wait

Daily reminder that the Feds made everything at Ruby Ridge worse.

[Herador]

Hey man, if it worked for David Koresh, Randy Weaver, Jim Jones, Russell Means, and Carter Camp, it can work for him!

...wait

Daily reminder that the Feds made everything at Ruby Ridge worse.

I knew that would summon you.

[Republic of Keshiland]

Yeah, after the next ice age...

Not if it offers the best quality of life in the country

So if the feds come to your city to enforce federal laws, your reaction is obstruction of justice at best and insurrection and rebellion at worst...

If the federal government sends the order then we will remove the troops and talk, trying to come up with a situation that is better for both sides.

If the state government sends the order we are standing our ground and telling them to GTHO if any of them want to win re-election.

No they won't, now that you're in a state of insurrection.

As said above they will only stand their ground if its the state government, not the federal government.

So you base your legal opinions on stereotypes?

I base it on what the conservatives have done so far! They have given businesses rights tried to take away healthcare and benefits and tried to lower taxes on the rich. So yeah if you call that a stereotype I guess I do