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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:25 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Why not a poll on who was the Yandere between Hitler/Mussolini?

Anime conditions people to depravity and sickness, so that simply will not do.


So...like all media? I'd also like to point out that media, anime included, can be used to condition people against depravity and sickness as well.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:25 pm

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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:25 pm

War Gears wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.


In what regard was the Paris Commune not a state?


The Paris Commune wasn't communist, it was merely the closest thing to communism in recorded history.

Unless you count hippie camps.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:26 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:

...do you have historical examples of that happening exactly for that reason?

And I mean actual anarchist movements, not a hippie/squatter commune made in the middle of some grubby Euro craphole.

Robespierre and his bunch? The Reign of Terror?
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:27 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:

...do you have historical examples of that happening exactly for that reason?

And I mean actual anarchist movements, not a hippie/squatter commune made in the middle of some grubby Euro craphole.

I would, if anarchist movements didn't have the tendency to... not work out.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:28 pm

Luminesa wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:...do you have historical examples of that happening exactly for that reason?

And I mean actual anarchist movements, not a hippie/squatter commune made in the middle of some grubby Euro craphole.

Robespierre and his bunch? The Reign of Terror?


Robespierre was an anarchist.... what?

The closest figure of the period who could be called a proto-anarchist was the Marquis de Sade, and his philosophy was miles apart from Robespierre's.
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:28 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Anime conditions people to depravity and sickness, so that simply will not do.


So...like all media? I'd also like to point out that media, anime included, can be used to condition people against depravity and sickness as well.
That does not mean they do
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:28 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

Not full communism would be the accurate way of saying that

Socialists/Communists seizing state power is a transitional phase in the broad scheme of it all. And you need Capitalism before Socialism.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:29 pm

Fauxia wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
So...like all media? I'd also like to point out that media, anime included, can be used to condition people against depravity and sickness as well.
That does not mean they do


It doesn't, but it certainly means that it can be.

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Postby Hakons » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:29 pm

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:31 pm

Hakons wrote:Hoorah, another successful succession of power. As good citizens, we will be loyal to the new king. God save the RWDT!


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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:31 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"


By definition, no, it wasn't communism.

Definitions exist for a reason. The liberal misuse of words is an aspect of modern degeneracy. These aren't just words you can throw around, they have actual meanings behind them. Stop butchering language.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:32 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
War Gears wrote:
In what regard was the Paris Commune not a state?


The Paris Commune wasn't communist, it was merely the closest thing to communism in recorded history.

Unless you count hippie camps.


The Paris Commune was the model which Marx and Engels looked at when developing their concept of an ideal society.

A commune is a form of political organization, and Marxists stuck in 19th century terminology are mainly the ones who constantly insist that it's different from a state.
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:33 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Then it's not communism.

Communism is the absence of a state, currency, and class. If it retains any of those things it's not communism. The states of the Cold War were socialist states run by communists.

>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.

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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:33 pm

Hakons wrote:Hoorah, another successful succession of power. As good citizens, we will be loyal to the new king. God save the RWDT!


So long as he's not a capitalist.

War Gears wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
The Paris Commune wasn't communist, it was merely the closest thing to communism in recorded history.

Unless you count hippie camps.


The Paris Commune was the model which Marx and Engels looked at when developing their concept of an ideal society.

A commune is a form of political organization, and Marxists stuck in 19th century terminology are mainly the ones who constantly insist that it's different from a state.


I know what the Paris Commune is.

Just because it influence communism doesn't make it communist. It was technically a state. A fake state, but still a state.
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:34 pm

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Minzerland II wrote:You may defend the accomplishments of Christianity, but that does not take away from the fact that you do not take Christianity seriously outside of its accomplishments.


Some of these were said out of anger rather than critical reflection. For instance, the first is my reaction to someone essentially calling me a man and saying that me having the right to have a psychologically beneficial surgery is going to result in pedophilia being accepted down the line. Many Catholics in North America are pro-LGBT rights, so it was wrong of me to conflate the opinions of Orthodox mad because people won't bow to their petty theocratic fantasies with Christiandom as a whole.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg.

I'll concede that first quote.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:34 pm

Everyone likes to claim that a major cock-up overseen by a regime with their preferred political/socio-economic ideology wasn't a real example of it.

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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:34 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.


I'm not a socialist. If anything, I'm against socialism.

I am also against the misuse of words, however.
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:35 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Everyone likes to claim that a major cock-up overseen by a regime with their preferred political/socio-economic ideology wasn't a real example of it.


It's not about that, it's about the proper fucking usage of words.

Not everything that's red is communist.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:36 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>"it wasn't REAL communism!"

And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.

I've rarely ever heard the former.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:37 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Everyone likes to claim that a major cock-up overseen by a regime with their preferred political/socio-economic ideology wasn't a real example of it.


It's not about that, it's about the proper fucking usage of words.

Not everything that's red is communist.

It was a general statement. You need learn to calm down, friendo.

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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:39 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
It's not about that, it's about the proper fucking usage of words.

Not everything that's red is communist.

It was a general statement. You need learn to calm down, friendo.


My apologies, I mistook the intent of the statement.

I do agree with it, however.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:41 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:I know what the Paris Commune is.

Just because it influence communism doesn't make it communist. It was technically a state. A fake state, but still a state.


It wasn't ideologically Communist, but it was basically the society that Communists wanted to make, this was spelled out quite vocally by Marx and Engels. When they speak of "state," they mean an entity for class rule, a "class dictatorship." so a Communist society would essentially be stateless according to their definition because there are no classes to dominate one another, while basically having all the components of a state and being able to administrate.
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-Jochistan- wrote:And honestly I've heard the whole "It wasn't true Capitalism it was Crony Capitalism" from liberals WAY more than I've heard "It wasn't real Communism" from Socialists.


I'm not a socialist. If anything, I'm against socialism.

I am also against the misuse of words, however.


I miss before Fascists sold out to capitalism, when they were socialists.
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:44 pm

War Gears wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:I know what the Paris Commune is.

Just because it influence communism doesn't make it communist. It was technically a state. A fake state, but still a state.


It wasn't ideologically Communist, but it was basically the society that Communists wanted to make, this was spelled out quite vocally by Marx and Engels. When they speak of "state," they mean an entity for class rule, a "class dictatorship." so a Communist society would essentially be stateless according to their definition because there are no classes to dominate one another, while basically having all the components of a state and being able to administrate.
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
I'm not a socialist. If anything, I'm against socialism.

I am also against the misuse of words, however.


I miss before Fascists sold out to capitalism, when they were socialists.


Except class has no bearing on the state, and thus they aren't against the idea of a state which shows an inconsistency in their own ideology. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised a utopian ideology is inconsistent.

Not taking that bait, either.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:45 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:Except class has no bearing on the state, and thus they aren't against the idea of a state which shows an inconsistency in their own ideology.


I'm not agreeing with Marx or his definition of words. I'm just trying to establish what he meant, for the purpose of clarity.
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