Right Wing Discussion Thread X: Pol's closed

[The Parkus Empire]

Revilo Oliver?

No thanks.

Now who has the upset sensibilities? :^)

It's not even by him, but by Pryce.

Nothing to do with sensibilities, but with interest.

[Aillyria]

I'm quite fond of romanticism, and hence why I like Rousseau, Napoleon, and why I'm a proponent of Sorelian syndicalism.

Yeah, I mostly hate romanticism.

Why?

[The Parkus Empire]

Yeah, I mostly hate romanticism.

Why?

See response to TEM.

[Aillyria]

Why?

See response to TEM.

Ok....so in that post you were basically implying that romanticism leads to consumerism?

[Bienenhalde]

"A secularization followed in the nineteenth century—an apparently hybrid and impossible combination of aesthetic-romantic and economic-technical tendencies. In reality, the romanticism of the nineteenth century signifies (if we want to utilize the moderately didactic word romanticism in a way different from the phenomenon itself, i.e., as a vehicle of confusion) only the intermediary stage of the aesthetic between the moralism of the eighteenth and the economism of the nineteenth century, only a transition which precipitated the aestheticization of all intellectual domains. It did so very easily and successfully. The way from the meta- physical and moral domains is through the aesthetic domain, which is the surest and most comfortable way to the general economization of intellectual life and to a state of mind which finds the core categories of human existence in production and consumption."

Who wrote that?

[Northern Davincia]

Germany needs to relearn national pride. They made some of the coolest nationalist songs in the 19th century. Can we really let such a tradition die?

A-anon d-don't you remember the last time G*rmans were allowed nice things?

*flashbacks*

It only got worse.

[War Gears]

like most orientalists,

An Orientalist is someone from the West who studies the language, culture, history, or customs of countries in eastern Asia.

I mean, I guess this is me. Not really sure how it's relevant.

they believe in some mystical Eastern tradition that has no flaws,

Tell me more, Mr. Christian, about how you believe your religion has flaws.

and have the misconception that large numbers of Eastern people actually follow this mystical tradition, rather than adhering to Western ideologies.

Why are these mutually exclusive?

Also, I really don't want to hear this from an "unironic" Byzantinist and Tsarist who also happens to be an American. JFC some self-awareness would be nice.

[War Gears]

Yes.

You sure seem to have a double standard about Western tradition and Western national pride, vs Eastern tradition and Eastern national pride.

You had your chance with the Cathars.

[Aillyria]

You sure seem to have a double standard about Western tradition and Western national pride, vs Eastern tradition and Eastern national pride.

You had your chance with the Cathars.

A very admirable sect, imo.

[United Muscovite Nations]

like most orientalists,

An Orientalist is someone from the West who studies the language, culture, history, or customs of countries in eastern Asia.

I mean, I guess this is me. Not really sure how it's relevant.

they believe in some mystical Eastern tradition that has no flaws,

Tell me more, Mr. Christian, about how you believe your religion has flaws.

and have the misconception that large numbers of Eastern people actually follow this mystical tradition, rather than adhering to Western ideologies.

Why are these mutually exclusive?

Also, I really don't want to hear this from an "unironic" Byzantinist and Tsarist who also happens to be an American. JFC some self-awareness would be nice.

And I don't want to hear your one-liner borderline trolling that adds literally nothing to this thread except to show how edgy you are for hating Western society despite the fact that you've spent your entire life in one.

[Aillyria]

WG and UMN, you both are calling the kettle black....tbh.

Where you're from shouldn't be held against your agreement with ideas from elsewhere.

I'm an American, that despises western culture in general, and follows a middle eastern faith. So what.

[United Muscovite Nations]

WG and UMN, you both are calling the kettle black....tbh.

Where you're from shouldn't be held against your agreement with ideas from elsewhere.

I'm an American, that despises western culture in general, and follows a middle eastern faith. So what.

I don't go around making one line posts about how Buddhism should be destroyed or that it's just fanfiction, etc. War Gears, on an almost weekly basis, makes one line baitposts whose sole purpose is to insult Christianity and anger Christians.

[War Gears]

And I don't want to hear your one-liner borderline trolling

Saying "yes" to letting German nationalism die isn't "one-liner borderline trolling." considering you're an "ironic Maoist" (implying there isn't anything about your views which isn't ironic) you don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to accusing people of trolling.

that adds literally nothing to this thread

Please don't pretend you actually care about quality here.

except to show how edgy you are for hating Western society

> not wanting a resurgence of German nationalism.
> "hating Western society."

Was it you or Parkus who was bitching at me for being an individualist despite belonging to an Eastern religion.

despite the fact that you've spent your entire life in one.

It seems like you're projecting onto me.

[Bienenhalde]

Both Europe and Asia have produced magnificent civilizations. Rather than arguing which is better, reactionaries from the both east and west ought to unite against secular-materialist capitalist modernity.

[Oil exporting People]

Both Europe and Asia have produced magnificent civilizations. Rather than arguing which is better, reactionaries from the both east and west ought to unite against secular-materialist capitalist modernity.

"Pride in one's own race – and that does not imply contempt for other races – is also a normal and healthy sentiment. I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves. They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own. They have the right to be proud of their past, just as we have the right to be proud of the civilization to which we belong. Indeed, I believe the more steadfast the Chinese and the Japanese remain in their pride of race, the easier I shall find it to get on with them."

[Herskerstad]

You had your chance with the Cathars.

A very admirable sect, imo.

An admirable people with admirable inclinations following a sect of neo-gnostic garbage.

[War Gears]

I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves.

Except for all the times that he did. Such as referring to them as a "culture-bearing" race instead of a "culture-creating" race like the Aryans, as well as saying that Japanese culture would deteriorate if it didn't have Aryans around.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And I don't want to hear your one-liner borderline trolling

Saying "yes" to letting German nationalism die isn't "one-liner borderline trolling." considering you're an "ironic Maoist" (implying there isn't anything about your views which isn't ironic) you don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to accusing people of trolling.

that adds literally nothing to this thread

Please don't pretend you actually care about quality here.

except to show how edgy you are for hating Western society

> not wanting a resurgence of German nationalism.
> "hating Western society."

Was it you or Parkus who was bitching at me for being an individualist despite belonging to an Eastern religion.

despite the fact that you've spent your entire life in one.

It seems like you're projecting onto me.

Rousseau...A man who promoted mob rule and tried to undermine the traditional Christian morality of Western society? Sorry, but I do not see what good came from his ideas.

Sounds like a good thing.

This is what I was referring to.

our great ooga booga totem is nothing like their ooga booga totem, that dirty tribe has completely nothing to do with us

It's more like "my fanction is more canonical than your fanfiction."

While ignoring the actual canon (Judaism).

And this

The Eternal Anglo is no joking matter. Russell Kirk called the automobile "the mechanical Jacobin"; I prefer, "the mechanical Anglo".

I prefer to call it "the mechanical Christian."

And this

viewtopic.php?p=32847633#p32847633

Boxer violence against Christians was understandable because of the fact that Christians were attempting to totally destroy the traditional culture and religion of their region. But I've never "exalted" the torture and murder of Chinese Christians, and I'm extremely skeptical based on being able to find next to nothing on alleged torture besides from Christian books.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=407483&p=32768819#p32768819

The West has been spiritually dead for thousands of years. It's why Christianity and Islam managed to spread.

Christianity spread a lot through missionary activity rather than conquest, that was how it spread in Rome and the Germanic tribes at least.

Julian the Apostate didn't go far enough.

[Aillyria]

Both Europe and Asia have produced magnificent civilizations. Rather than arguing which is better, reactionaries from the both east and west ought to unite against secular-materialist capitalist modernity.

This is what I'm talking about!!!

[Herskerstad]

All hail Queen Empress Angela I.

Doesn't it have to been Austrian who runs the HRE into the ground though or does Merkel's chin make her an honorary Austrian?

Yes, Austrian rule over Germany has always lead to phenomenally entertaining results.

[Aillyria]

A very admirable sect, imo.

An admirable people with admirable inclinations following a sect of neo-gnostic garbage.

That's precisely why I admire the Cathars, I'm fond of gnostic antimaterialsm and distain for this lower existence.

[Oil exporting People]

Except for all the times that he did. Such as referring to them as a "culture-bearing" race instead of a "culture-creating" race like the Aryans, as well as saying that Japanese culture would deteriorate if it didn't have Aryans around.

I don't think those are necessarily criticisms; he wanted the Ural border, for example, in part due to a concern that peace and economic prosperity would deteriorate German culture. In a sense, this belief in the necessity of adversary to thrive translate pretty well to a view of the contemporary Japanese Empire, in that the security threats posed by the Western Powers and others offered competition that kept them in shape. Even disregarding that, the quote is from February of 1945, so he was reflecting and writing down his final thoughts at that point so he could've changed his mind.

[Northern Davincia]

Both Europe and Asia have produced magnificent civilizations. Rather than arguing which is better, reactionaries from the both east and west ought to unite against secular-materialist capitalist modernity.

This is what I'm talking about!!!

Hear me out on this: what if the east and west united to create true (unregulated) capitalism?

[United Muscovite Nations]

This is what I'm talking about!!!

Hear me out on this: what if the east and west united to create true (unregulated) capitalism?

It already happened, and that's what North Korea is. The whole country is just a family mom & pop business, and big multinationals are trying to drive them out of business.

[Bienenhalde]

Both Europe and Asia have produced magnificent civilizations. Rather than arguing which is better, reactionaries from the both east and west ought to unite against secular-materialist capitalist modernity.

This is what I'm talking about!!!

Very well...but then why would you support an advocate of democracy and individualism like Rousseau?